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Johannes
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: France Is Going To Ban Smoking In Public! |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6032125.stm
What is going on here?
I don't think I understand this logic considering France's continuing lean towards the extreme left in their political views, and individual rights is something that the French value exteremly highly.
Quite frankly, I think it's stupid. The ban doesn't include streets, so what's the point? It's just encouraging people to go outside? |
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DSwain
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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This is happening all over the place - all over Europe (we have a similar law in England coming into force) and I understand that New York has had one for some years.
It's rubbish, IMO - but there it is. However, it's nothing to do with France alone. |
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agentkgb
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| New York has had a ban yeah. From what I understand it's actually pretty cool if you're a non-smoker, because you don't have to worry about being right next to the smoking section despite technically being in the non-smoking section and stuff like that. Smokers hated it but they got over it. It didn't really result in many people giving up smoking though. |
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micfranklin
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not French, but if someone doesn't like smoking in public, then they can just go somewhere else. |
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00timh
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| the nanny state ideology is going on all ver the western world and it sickens me to no end. It's almost easier to come up with labels of things yu can do, otherwise they are automatically considered banned or forbidden. :( |
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Lumina
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the French should also consider legislation banning rudeness to foreigners and also personal hygiene issues. |
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=CNP=
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:06 am Post subject: |
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Lumina wrote: I think the French should also consider legislation banning rudeness to foreigners and also personal hygiene issues.
The French will stop being rude the exact moment American tourists stop being retarded jackasses.
When a man who can't speak French walks into a French public library expecting to be able to buy a hotdog with American money, there are only so many possible reactions. |
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maxtsu
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Lumina wrote: I think the French should also consider legislation banning rudeness to foreigners and also personal hygiene issues.
I thiml the French will pass that law once americans stop insulting them. |
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Deus
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:43 am Post subject: |
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00timh wrote: the nanny state ideology is going on all ver the western world and it sickens me to no end. It's almost easier to come up with labels of things yu can do, otherwise they are automatically considered banned or forbidden. :( '
How is this considered Nanny state, when you smoke around someone you are potentialy infringing on someone elses right.
I have no problem with this ban. |
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DSwain
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: |
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=CNP= wrote: Lumina wrote: I think the French should also consider legislation banning rudeness to foreigners and also personal hygiene issues.
The French will stop being rude the exact moment American tourists stop being retarded jackasses.
When a man who can't speak French walks into a French public library expecting to be able to buy a hotdog with American money, there are only so many possible reactions.
Whoa there, Captain Prejudice |
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wayne
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| cough, hack, cough....why would they do that? What about getting rid of the other poisons in the air....heroin, cocaine, pcp, meth, Islam. |
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00timh
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Deus wrote: 00timh wrote: the nanny state ideology is going on all ver the western world and it sickens me to no end. It's almost easier to come up with labels of things yu can do, otherwise they are automatically considered banned or forbidden. :( '
How is this considered Nanny state, when you smoke around someone you are potentialy infringing on someone elses right.
I have no problem with this ban. It's not just smoking, its the entire idealism of banning things or requirements of safety standards that goes far beyond the statistical probability. One day we are all going to wake up and freedom is going to be a memory. |
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The Grandmaster
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00timh wrote: the nanny state ideology is going on all ver the western world and it sickens me to no end. It's almost easier to come up with labels of things yu can do, otherwise they are automatically considered banned or forbidden. :(
Yup, good point.
It's almost as if now, the onus is on us to prove why we should be able to do something, and otherwise the status quo is to ban it.
00timh wrote:
Quote: I have no problem with this ban. It's not just smoking, its the entire idealism of banning things or requirements of safety standards that goes far beyond the statistical probability. One day we are all going to wake up and freedom is going to be a memory.
Well, looks like the Democrat and Republican Leaders are in agreement for once.
This is something that has concerned me for a while myself. Things like banning our online gambling snap me back to worrying about it. |
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wyldejackyl
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I feel the same way. I'm happy to be breathing more clean air than usual, but as much as I can't stand rude smokers that care only for themselves and their filthy habit...it's NEVER the government's job to say what you can and can't do for your health. If people were more courteous and disposed of their litter properly and didn't blow smoke in the faces of others..they'd be a lot more tolerant. The government on the other hand..give them an inch, and they'll take 50 miles.
Paintball guns, canned CO2, pellet pistols/rifles/airsoft guns..it's all banned here now. I can buy 12ga shotshells at the store still though, so that's *kind of* a plus, I suppose. |
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00timh
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: |
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The Grandmaster wrote: 00timh wrote: the nanny state ideology is going on all ver the western world and it sickens me to no end. It's almost easier to come up with labels of things yu can do, otherwise they are automatically considered banned or forbidden. :(
Yup, good point.
It's almost as if now, the onus is on us to prove why we should be able to do something, and otherwise the status quo is to ban it.
00timh wrote:
Quote: I have no problem with this ban. It's not just smoking, its the entire idealism of banning things or requirements of safety standards that goes far beyond the statistical probability. One day we are all going to wake up and freedom is going to be a memory.
Well, looks like the Democrat and Republican Leaders are in agreement for once.
This is something that has concerned me for a while myself. Things like banning our online gambling snap me back to worrying about it. This could be a first for pcf :lol: please do not get me started with the online gambling ban... :( |
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wyldejackyl
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| You can't gamble online anymore? Can you do stock trading still..because it's the same damn thing! |
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The Grandmaster
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00timh wrote: This could be a first for pcf :lol:
Well I think Gdawg and Hobbie agreed in the lounge on a brand of beer one point early last year. :)
00timh wrote: please do not get me started with the online gambling ban... :(
As soon as I read they were trying to do that months ago, I was furious. Once they got it to the point of signing last week, I was in a rage. But it really scared me a little actually. Sometimes I don't think anything is safe. I planned to bet on some upcoming fights in UFC and Pride Fighting literally within the next couple months. Now that is probably impossible. As I understand it, the law was attached to something else entirely unrelated. How the hell does that even make sense. But the odd thing of it is to me, this goddamn law literally just doesn't make any sense. It's like they want to take something away, for no reason other than to take it away.
But you said not to get you started... :P
wyldejackyl wrote: You can't gamble online anymore? Can you do stock trading still..because it's the same damn thing!
Of course it is. But then, the online gambling law simply doesn't make sense. Someone is getting their pockets lined, and so put it under a banner of "protecting people from themselves"
After all...if someone else goes into dept because they never grew up and learned how to manage money like an adult...why, that is my fault of course!
As far as smoking, I have always hated it, but again, I have never been in favor of a ban for it in public places because the public belongs to everyone. I don't think second hand smoke can possibly be good for anyone, but there is great debate on the legitimacy of the studies claiming how damaging it really is. The point is, taking more money away from people or throwing them in jail is not the answer. (I don't think anyone woudl go to jail for smoking in public, but I'm sure they would be be able to if some cop really wanted to be an **** about it) |
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maxtsu
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing new.
It is already banned in indoor public places, in the Republic of Ireland since 2004.
Everybody there is perfectly happy with the ban.
You can actually smell the beer now. |
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NAB
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=CNP= wrote: The French will stop being rude the exact moment American tourists stop being retarded jackasses.
Sounds like a Chicken or Egg argument. |
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maxtsu
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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NAB wrote: =CNP= wrote: The French will stop being rude the exact moment American tourists stop being retarded jackasses.
Sounds like a Chicken or Egg argument.
therefore the question is...
which do you want to be, the chicken or the egg?
:-D
sorry, being getting surreal posts recently, so thinking in surreal terms |
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