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[John]

mODULAR mAN wrote: John wrote:
The reason things like hospitals exist is because it is a Christian concept.
Where do you get your info?!

Quote: One hundred years after Christ had died suppose some one had asked a Christian, What hospitals have you built? What asylums have you founded? They would have said "None." Suppose three hundred years after the death of Christ the same questions had been asked the Christian, he would have said "None, not one." Two hundred years more and the answer would have been the same. And at that time the Christian could have told the questioner that the Mohammedans had built asylums before the Christians. He could also have told him that there had been orphan asylums in China for hundreds and hundreds of years, hospitals in India, and hospitals for the sick at Athens.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/inginfid.htm


From wiki:
Quote: Early history of hospitals
In ancient cultures religion and medicine were linked. The earliest known institutions aiming to provide cure were Egyptian temples. Greek temples dedicated to the healer-god Asclepius might admit the sick, who would wait for guidance from the god in a dream. The Romans adopted his worship. Under his Roman name Æsculapius, he was provided with a temple (291 BC) on an island in the Tiber in Rome, where similar rites were performed.[1] State-supported hospitals also appeared in China later during the first millennium A.D.


[edit] Early hospitals in southern and western Asia
The Sinhalese (Sri Lankans) are perhaps responsible for introducing the concept of dedicated hospitals to the world. According to the Mahavamsa, the ancient chronicle of Sinhalese royalty written in the 6th century AC, King Pandukabhaya (4th century BC) had lying-in-homes and hospitals (Sivikasotthi-Sala) built in various parts of the country after having fortified his capital at Anuradhapura. This is the earliest literary evidence we have of institutions specifically dedicated to the care of the sick anywhere in the world.[2] Mihintale Hospital is perhaps the oldest in the world.[3]

Institutions created specifically to care for the ill also appeared early in India. King Ashoka founded 18 hospitals c. 230 BC. There were physicians and nursing staff, and the expense was borne by the royal treasury.[4]

The first teaching hospital, however, where students were authorized to methodically practice on patients under the supervision of physicians as part of their education, was the Academy of Gundishapur in the Persian Empire. One expert has argued that "to a very large extent, the credit for the whole hospital system must be given to Persia". [5]


You should read this book.

http://www.amazon.com/Under-Influence-Alvin-J-Schmidt/dp/0310236371

[Dr. Wojtyla]

John wrote: Quote: Where do you get your info?!


“Christianity, as soon as it conquered the state, put an end to gladiatorial shows, not because they were cruel, but because they were idolatrous. The result, however, was to diminish the widespread education in cruelty by which the populace of Roman towns were degraded. Christianity also did much to soften the lot of slaves. It established charity on a large scale, and inaugurated hospitals”
-Bertrand Russell

Well, that settles it.

[Dr. Wojtyla]

The Fatima Miracle was a Sundog.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundog

[greeneye]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: greeneye wrote: Dr. Wojtyla wrote: But the dumb tend to be religious. Personally I think it has more to do with mental weakness. Oftentimes, though, I suspect perfectly intelligent people simply haven't gotten around to exploring metaphysical ideas.

This is a rather ignorant statement. Some of the greatest thinkers not only of our modern times but throughout history including scientists, philosophers, scholars, and literary giants were guided by their religious belief in God. These were not dumb people, Wojtyla These were visionaries and independent thinkers who went "against the status quo of belief" but yet greatly contributed toward civilization and the progressive movement of it, most of them in a positive way. And this, by no means is an exhaustive list.

So I might rephrase your statement, "Personally I think it has more to do with mental weakness" to say ... "I think it has more to do with mental greatness and a passion for compassion. And compassion is God's nature.

a.k.a. William Shakespeare
Adam Smith
Albert Einstein
Alexander Fleming
Alexander Graham Bell
Alexander the Great
Antoine Laurent Lavoisier
Antony van Leeuwenhoek
Aristotle
Asoka
Augustus Caesar
Buddha
Charlemagne
Charles Darwin
Christopher Columbus
Confucius
Constantine the Great
Cyrus the Great
Edward de Vere
Edward Jenner
Enrico Fermi
Ernest Rutherford
Euclid
Francis Bacon
Francisco Pizarro
Galileo Galilei
Genghis Khan
George Washington
Gregor Mendel
Gregory Pincus
Guglielmo Marconi
Henry Ford
Hernando Cortes
Homer
Isaac Newton
James Clerk Maxwell
James Watt
Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Jesus Christ *
Johann Gutenberg
Johann Sebastian Bach
Johannes Kepler
John Calvin
John Dalton
John F. Kennedy
John Locke
Joseph Lister
Joseph Stalin
Julius Caesar
Justinian I
Lao Tzu
Leonhard Euler
Louis Daguerre
Louis Pasteur
Ludwig van Beethoven
Mahavira
Mani
Mao Zedong
Martin Luther
Max Planck
Mencius
Menes
Michael Faraday
Michelangelo
Mikhail Gorbachev
Moses
Muhammad
Napoleon Bonaparte
Nicholas Copernicus
Johannes Kepler
Galileo Galilei
Rene Descartes
Isaac Newton
Robert Boyle
Michael Faraday
Nicolaus Copernicus
Nicoli Machiavelli
Nikolaus August Otto
Oliver Cromwell
Orville and Wilbur Wright
Peter the Great
Plato
Pope Urban II
Queen Elizabeth I
Queen Isabella I
Rene Descartes
Roger Bacon
Shih Huang Ti
Sigmund Freud
Simon Bolivar
St. Augustine
St. Paul
Sui Wen Ti
Thomas Edison
Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Moore
Thomas Malthus
Ts'ai Lun
'Umar ibn al-Khattab
Vasco da Gama
Voltaire
Werner Heisenberg
Wilhelm Conrad Roentgen
William Harvey
William T.G. Morton
William the Conqueror
Zoroaster

Um..... what?

http://www.adherents.com/adh_influ.html

http://www.adherents.com/people/100_scientists.html#Christian

[greeneye]

Dr. Wojtyla wrote: The Fatima Miracle was a Sundog.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundog