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[Blinky]

Wolverine wrote: If you fear that a teacher would murder your kids its time to take them ot of that school.

What if you fear that a fellow student might murder your kids?

[Ardent]

RooK wrote: Ardent wrote: An already bad situation could be made much worse, with armed shootouts. The teachers could also often find themselves outgunned, kids in the US prefer high powered weaponry and not just standard police issue revolvers.

Police are still issued revolvers somewhere? :shock:

Quote: There would probably be lots of crazed teachers shooting pupils or going on shoting sprees, although they would have to be careful they didn't smack the kids, as shooting is okay but a spanking could result in a law suit. :lol:

Just like all the CCW holders that went on shooting sprees. ;)

The police where I live aren't routinely armed, and those that are armed are trained to a very high standard.

Having teachers armed is not going to help much, they would be more casualties from the ensuing shootout and I have little doubt the teachers would be outgunned.

[Wolverine]

Blinky wrote: Wolverine wrote: If you fear that a teacher would murder your kids its time to take them ot of that school.

What if you fear that a fellow student might murder your kids?
Take your kids out of that school, and/or report it to the police.

[perdidochas]

Wolverine wrote: If you fear that a teacher would murder your kids its time to take them ot of that school.

Exactly! Also, as a former teacher, I'll say this. If I had wanted to, it would have been trivially easy to bring in a host of assault weapons into class. As a science teacher it would have been even easier to rig up the room (with bunsen burner outlets) to explode.

[britboy]

Perhaps we should give all the teachers guns. If that doesn't work, make it mandatory for them to carry guns.

If that doesn't work, give the caretaker, admin staff, and work-experience students guns. Then the kitchen staff.

After that, if there are more shootings, what we need is more guns yea? Who would you dole them out to next? Any other staff on the school site.

Say you did this and - SHOCK - the number of shootings actually went up? A disgruntled teacher? A crazy member of the admin. staff?

At that point how do you suggest we get more guns into the school in order to stop the madness :roll: ? At what stage, if gun crimes keep increasing, would you make it mandatory for the kids to carry guns? Surely this would be the ultimate deterrent? I mean -- a load of you are already planning to gift your child a weapon .. why not make it mandatory for all kids to carry them, fully loaded? Now THAT would be a deterrent ...

And heaven forbid if the number of shootings still went up even with all the kids packing -- would you go for making the kids carry more than 1 gun? A backup weapon? A school armoury (all free?)

now THAT would stop all criminal shootings or blimin' most of them, everyone able to get semi-automatic assault rifles whenever they want -- don't you agree??

[perdidochas]

britboy wrote: Perhaps we should give all the teachers guns. If that doesn't work, make it mandatory for them to carry guns.

If that doesn't work, give the caretaker, admin staff, and work-experience students guns. Then the kitchen staff.

After that, if there are more shootings, what we need is more guns yea? Who would you dole them out to next? Any other staff on the school site.

Say you did this and - SHOCK - the number of shootings actually went up? A disgruntled teacher? A crazy member of the admin. staff?

Almost nothing currently stops a disgruntled teacher or crazy member of the admin staff from carrying a gun, except for the law. It would be extremely easy for most teachers to bring in an arsenal of weapons into most schools. The thing is, we don't hear of such cases. Teachers just don't have the personality types to go on mad shooting sprees.


britboy wrote: At that point how do you suggest we get more guns into the school in order to stop the madness :roll: ? At what stage, if gun crimes keep increasing, would you make it mandatory for the kids to carry guns? Surely this would be the ultimate deterrent? I mean -- a load of you are already planning to gift your child a weapon .. why not make it mandatory for all kids to carry them, fully loaded? Now THAT would be a deterrent ...

And heaven forbid if the number of shootings still went up even with all the kids packing -- would you go for making the kids carry more than 1 gun? A backup weapon? A school armoury (all free?)

now THAT would stop all criminal shootings or blimin' most of them, everyone able to get semi-automatic assault rifles whenever they want -- don't you agree??

Again, teachers just don't go on mad shooting sprees. Under current security conditions, it would be extremely easy for a teacher to bring a gun onto campus and easily execute their classrooms. However, I can't recall a single case where that has happened.

[TNBiologist]

Ardent wrote: Wouldn't it be better to have a school campus police force, similar to the armed university police in the US.

Expecting teachers to train as firearms specialists on top of their main responcibility as educators is just mad.

It is not mad if it is voluntary. Some teachers are already going to know how to use a gun. If you let those teachers get a CCW permit and then allow them to carry on school grounds it is no extra trouble for them. The idea of a scholl police force for highschools and younger schools is insane. Colleges that have their own police forces are large with a lot of people on campus during all hours of the day. Most highschools are much smaller (the largest ones here are around 2000 students) and everyone is of school grounds before to late at night. By placing a police force (more than just the usual one officer) in a school you have just reduced to effectiveness of your local police force or added to your local tax burden (in small communities this woudl be especially true).

Quote: An already bad situation could be made much worse, with armed shootouts. The teachers could also often find themselves outgunned, kids in the US prefer high powered weaponry and not just standard police issue revolvers.

Police forces are not issuing revolvers anymore for the most part. They are issuing a variety of high-capacity semi-auto pistols. The teachers would not be there to act as a police force but as a last ditch defence for the students. Example: Crazy gunman comes into a scholl and starts shooting it up. Teachers herd students iinto classrooms and lock doors while administration is calling 911. Hopefully police arrive and handle the crazy gunman. If teh gunman manages to force his way into a classroom there is a chance of the teacher being able to shoot the gunman before any more students are shot.

Quote: There would probably be lots of crazed teachers shooting pupils or going on shoting sprees, although they would have to be careful they didn't smack the kids, as shooting is okay but a spanking could result in a law suit. :lol:

What about teacher SWAT Teams and hostage negotiators ??????? :lol:

Now your not even being logical.


Quote: As for Israeli schools, the children carry gas masks and are in a constant state of war readiness, whilst Thailand has just been taken over following a military coup. Two great examples, perhaps you should start stoning people to death, because it's legal in some Islamic countries. :roll:
What does stoning have to do with allowing teachers to carry guns? How many school shooting have there beenin Israel? They have a high gun ownership rate similar to the US but less school shootings. Look at the number of school shooting from before 1990 and after 1990. Prior to teh early 1990's you could carry a firearm on school property but that changed and now noone except police can carry a firearm on school property. When there was a chance that someone was actually armed there were fewer school shootings. (by teh way, it is harded to legally buy a gun now than it was in teh late 1980's).