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micfranklin · Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject: Something I wonder about

Suppose a man with a gun walks into a building and starts firing into the air and tells everybody to get down. My question is why is it that no one bothers to try and tackle him and disarm him, especially since there'd be hundreds of innocent people and only one armed man.

Wolverine · Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 10750 Location: Podunk, Colorado

Because nobody wants to be the unlucky sole to be shot.

micfranklin · Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject:

Wolverine wrote: Because nobody wants to be the unlucky sole to be shot.

Yeah, that's a logical point. But even if a few get shot and/or killed, another 95 people can subdue him with ease or beat him into a coma.

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12031 Location: idaho

I figure it is an inital shock and then a fear of getting shot. It hurts yes but it heals and the pain goes away.

evil muppet · Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Posts: 316

people either need a few moments to collect their wits inorder to plan a course of action or they need to be mentally prepared by practicing for such an event before hand.

That and if you listen to the news or experts they repeatedly tell everyone that in situations like that, you should comply with the robber because 'your more likely to get hurt if you resist'

Casualtie · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 86

i would assume that everything thinks the person next to them is going to do it. no one wants to be the one to go up there and risk their life. theyre thinkin that, anytime now someone will come and save them.

occasionally you will hear stories of heros who single-handely take down a gunman for the sake of the other innocents. but again, no one wants to risk their own life and ruin the lives of their family. they figure if they wait there long enough the gunman will take what he wants and just leave. unless its a hostage, in which case, i assume the people would be too afraid to confront the gunman because they wouldnt want to endagerer the hostages life.

(that post wasnt very well organized. sorry)

Casualtie · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 86

wth! every time i try to type an apostrophe it brings up the find (ctrl + f) option thang. any ideas?

micfranklin · Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject:

I only ask because I was watching the first few episodes of 24, season 5 :-D

airo · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 2583 Location: Tampa, Florida

Because people are content with being victimized, and oppressed.

NovaPacifica · Joined: 04 Oct 2006 Posts: 48 Location: United States

lilwolf wrote: I figure it is an inital shock and then a fear of getting shot. It hurts yes but it heals and the pain goes away.

I agree with you on that, it is probably initial shok and so much blood is flowing through your brain you dont know what to do and blank out.

Wolverine · Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 10750 Location: Podunk, Colorado

micfranklin wrote: Wolverine wrote: Because nobody wants to be the unlucky sole to be shot.

Yeah, that's a logical point. But even if a few get shot and/or killed, another 95 people can subdue him with ease or beat him into a coma.
But no one wants to be the poor sap to get shot.

I doubt you would charge an armed criminal when he clearly has the upper hand.

micfranklin · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:00 am Post subject:

Wolverine wrote: micfranklin wrote: Wolverine wrote: Because nobody wants to be the unlucky sole to be shot.

Yeah, that's a logical point. But even if a few get shot and/or killed, another 95 people can subdue him with ease or beat him into a coma.
But no one wants to be the poor sap to get shot.

I doubt you would charge an armed criminal when he clearly has the upper hand.

Chances are I wouldn't (unless I was either armed myself or I was put in some other position to have to attack them).

evil muppet · Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Posts: 316

Browse this site. It is very interesting. You'll probably learn quite a bit.

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/

Five stages of a violent crime http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/five_stages.html

Numb · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 273

Numb · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 273

lilwolf wrote: I figure it is an inital shock and then a fear of getting shot. It hurts yes but it heals and the pain goes away.
Granted you have to live.

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12031 Location: idaho

Numb wrote: lilwolf wrote: I figure it is an inital shock and then a fear of getting shot. It hurts yes but it heals and the pain goes away.
Granted you have to live.

Hopefully you live to tell about it but I do think it is the initial shock as well as the fear of being shot and pain. We are creatures of comfort and pain just scares the hell out of people.

Numb · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 273

lilwolf wrote: Numb wrote: lilwolf wrote: I figure it is an inital shock and then a fear of getting shot. It hurts yes but it heals and the pain goes away.
Granted you have to live.

Hopefully you live to tell about it but I do think it is the initial shock as well as the fear of being shot and pain. We are creatures of comfort and pain just scares the hell out of people.
Instant Death isn't a favorable thought either.

micfranklin · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject:

lilwolf wrote: Numb wrote: lilwolf wrote: I figure it is an inital shock and then a fear of getting shot. It hurts yes but it heals and the pain goes away.
Granted you have to live.

Hopefully you live to tell about it but I do think it is the initial shock as well as the fear of being shot and pain. We are creatures of comfort and pain just scares the hell out of people.

They could always sneak up on the armed intruder and try to get it away from them. Be sneaky about it.

Green · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject:

If everybody were to agree on charging a guy, then I am sure that not everybody would charge, and that the few people who do charge would be pretty f****d when they are the only people moving. Hovever, if everybody could systematically charge, then It would be possible.

britboy · Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 3093 Location: London

I read somewhere a rather depressing statement:

'If 15 people are witnessing a rape, it's a lot less likely that anyone will try and stop it than if just 1 person was witnessing a rape'

It's all in the 'I'm scared, why am i the one that has to do something -- stuff it, I'll leave it to someone else' line of thought.

It's all very well in advance thinking 'Well I WOULD have the balls to try and stop it if I was part of the crowd' -- but until you're actually there I think it's hard to even guess at how you'd act in a completely alien, hostile and damn scary environment.

(Apparently if you are there with your partner you are least likely of all to interject -- as you both mutually stop the other person from getting involved. Some evolutionary thing.)