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[ToonArmyIsComing]

This discussion started in another thread in the Middle East section of this forum:

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65325&start=100

I have invited him to continue this discussion [on homosexuality and its "dangers" such as pedophilia!!!] here ... feel free to join in:

Varyag wrote:
Varyag wrote:
ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Varyag wrote: Quote: Firstly, homosexuals are not pedophiles. It is really typical that you attempt to connect the two together!

No they're not, just seven times more likely to be

The "Family" Research Institute makes me laugh. They should be re-labelled anti-gay Research Institute as they blame homosexuality for all the ills of the society and they are so obssesed by it that it is sometimes borderline paranoia.

Oh suddenly the Regent University Law Review and the Council for National Policy in Washington are "anti gay research institutes" and must be "re-labelled." It seems that anyone who asks the relevant questions about homosexuality suddenly must be "condemed" and "branded." Homsexuals promote a lifestyle and culture that is at its core incompatible with western survival.

No,

Quote: Anyhow, as for the charge you are raising, this study makes a dishonest use of labels. A pedophile is a person who has a condition where he/she has "a preference for prepubescent children as sexual partners". Now, the fact is such person is sexually aroused by a young person. I do NOT see how one can honestly label pedophilia as homosexual or heterosexual, which are totally different alltogether.

Male-male pedophilia or female-female pedophilia would be classed as homosexual.

Quote: Varyag wrote: Quote: Secondly, [unfortunately]

No, fortunately, and neither does christianity or any decent minded person.

"Decent" minded people?

Yes decent people who dont believe this homo bs shouldnt be shovelled into our school and governmental system.

Quote: I am not sure if that is a label that I apply to the "holier than though" people or the righteous people. Such people are not decent minded. In fact, they are arrogant if anything in that they are so caught up in their own interpretation of their religious text that decent is the last thing that could be used to describe them.

What makes you think I'm religious? Would you be surprised if I told you I was agnostic? Or is it only christians now who want to protect their children, families and government?

Quote: You are so caught up in your hatred of Islam that you just hurl ANYTHING at it.

Not anything, everything relevant :wink:
Quote: Are you just making claims because you don't like homosexuals and since homosexuals are "filthy b*stards", then it must be an Islamic phenomenon!!!

I certainly wish it were, but unfortunately homoesexuality is a worldwide problem.

Quote: Varyag wrote: Quote: Thirdly, [even though I am guilty of this myself] stop bashing Islam. Your beliefs are far more repressive than anything in Islam. I dare not think how you treat someone if you find out he/she is a homosexual!

Its not the indavidual gay I oppose (really I dont care if a guy prefers another guys colon to what is natural), its the gay collective.

Yeah, you just accuse them of being pedophiles [and causing almost all other ills in the society] ... no big deal. :roll:

Well they are seven times more likely to be pedophiles, I'm not going to withhold that, I'm not PC.

Quote: And don't talk about natural. How do you know what is natural? Just because Bible says something doesn't make something natural. If anything, homosexuality occurs in the nature as you can observe it in animals.

Dont bring the bible into this (see above), the bible has its own opinion, and I have mine. what is natural is what has purpose and of regular occurance.


Quote: Varyag wrote: And my beliefs don't even come close to Islam, I highly doubt a country run by me would have the death penalty for homosexuality.

Of course not. You will just marginalize and insult homosexuals and belittle them as much as you can, so that they take their own "filthy" lives themselves by committing sucide. Or better yet, you might start up a camp for "curing" these "morally diseased" people. :roll:

Nah the camp thing is a little hitleresque, people shouldnt have to spend a dollar of tax on homosexuals, the suicide suggestion would sure make things easier though :lol: Again I dont care about homosexuals per se, but rather their activism that is trying to destroy society (they're not the only group though), like in Philidelphia and their "gay history month" in school districts, nobody should have to learn about gays or have positive falsities about gays imposed on them, especially the minds of children.

Anyway why with all the radical defence of homosexuality, a little of that inclination yourself?

[StrangerWitCandy]

Ignorance and prejudice. That's all I see there. Sad but common.

[Enoch]

StrangerWitCandy wrote: Ignorance and prejudice. That's all I see there. Sad but common. I concur.

[ToonArmyIsComing]

Varyag wrote: Homsexuals promote a lifestyle and culture that is at its core incompatible with western survival.

It is quite funny to be honest. The Family Research Institute you are using as a source is adamant that homosexuality is only a phenomenon for around 3% of the population. Now, it is absurd to suggest that the "lifestyle" of 3% of the population is going to bring down the whole Western society? The whole premise is contradictory: one the one hand, such people continually claim that homosexuals are a small group, on the other hand, they continually claim that they are bringing down the whole society.

Varyag wrote: Quote: Anyhow, as for the charge you are raising, this study makes a dishonest use of labels. A pedophile is a person who has a condition where he/she has "a preference for prepubescent children as sexual partners". Now, the fact is such person is sexually aroused by a young person. I do NOT see how one can honestly label pedophilia as homosexual or heterosexual, which are totally different alltogether.

Male-male pedophilia or female-female pedophilia would be classed as homosexual.

Did you even bother to look at what I wrote? Pedophilia is a Male-youth or a Female-youth relationship.


Varyag wrote: Quote: Varyag wrote: Quote: Secondly, [unfortunately]

No, fortunately, and neither does christianity or any decent minded person.

"Decent" minded people?

Yes decent people who dont believe this homo bs shouldnt be shovelled into our school and governmental system.

If these people were decent, there would be no need for any protection of homosexual people against the pervasive patterns of discrimination.

Varyag wrote: Quote: I am not sure if that is a label that I apply to the "holier than though" people or the righteous people. Such people are not decent minded. In fact, they are arrogant if anything in that they are so caught up in their own interpretation of their religious text that decent is the last thing that could be used to describe them.

What makes you think I'm religious? Would you be surprised if I told you I was agnostic? Or is it only christians now who want to protect their children, families and government?

LMAO ... this is classic. You want to "protect" your children and family, so that translates into repression of homosexuals? Absurd is the only thing that comes to mind.

Varyag wrote: Quote: Are you just making claims because you don't like homosexuals and since homosexuals are "filthy b*stards", then it must be an Islamic phenomenon!!!

I certainly wish it were, but unfortunately homoesexuality is a worldwide problem.

Worldwide "problem"? And you claim you have no problem with homosexuals!!! :roll:

Varyag wrote: Quote: Varyag wrote: Quote: I dare not think how you treat someone if you find out he/she is a homosexual!

Its not the indavidual gay I oppose (really I dont care if a guy prefers another guys colon to what is natural), its the gay collective.

Yeah, you just accuse them of being pedophiles [and causing almost all other ills in the society] ... no big deal. :roll:

Well they are seven times more likely to be pedophiles, I'm not going to withhold that, I'm not PC.

No one is asking you to be politically correct. What is being asked is to stop being ignorant.

Varyag wrote: Quote: And don't talk about natural. How do you know what is natural? Just because Bible says something doesn't make something natural. If anything, homosexuality occurs in the nature as you can observe it in animals.

Dont bring the bible into this (see above), the bible has its own opinion, and I have mine. what is natural is what has purpose and of regular occurance.

Homosexuality has purpose and is of regular occurance throughout history. Thus, it seems it is natural by your own logic.

Varyag wrote: Quote: Varyag wrote: And my beliefs don't even come close to Islam, I highly doubt a country run by me would have the death penalty for homosexuality.

Of course not. You will just marginalize and insult homosexuals and belittle them as much as you can, so that they take their own "filthy" lives themselves by committing sucide. Or better yet, you might start up a camp for "curing" these "morally diseased" people. :roll:

Nah the camp thing is a little hitleresque, people shouldnt have to spend a dollar of tax on homosexuals, the suicide suggestion would sure make things easier though :lol: Again I dont care about homosexuals per se, but rather their activism that is trying to destroy society (they're not the only group though), like in Philidelphia and their "gay history month" in school districts, nobody should have to learn about gays or have positive falsities about gays imposed on them, especially the minds of children.

Of course, some would rather live in hatred, but then that's their own problem.

Varyag wrote: Anyway why with all the radical defence of homosexuality, a little of that inclination yourself?

And why the radical hatred towards homosexuality? Are you a closet homosexual?!! :roll:

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