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Whitefields · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject:

Blinky wrote: lilwolf wrote: Blinky wrote: A woman is more likely to be raped in the United States than in Britain. This is despite the number of women who carry firearms.
What can explain this anomoly?

I would bet that a woman with a handgun is not going to be raped as easy as she would with out a handgun.....

Woman who have a means of self defense are less likely to be assaulted in any manner. It is only logic that with RTC in 44 states and growing that the rape victims are fewer. Those that are armed are a deterent to criminals. The fact that the bad guys do not know who is packing and who is not is a good thing, because they do not have an easy target list any longer in many places of the US.

You are talking as if this is a hypothetical situation but it is actually the current state of affairs. Right now far, far more women in the United States are armed than in Britain yet they are more likely to be raped.
So again I ask: How is this possible, lilwolf?

Its probably because American women are better looking.

Whitefields · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject:

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lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12491 Location: idaho

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: private_citizen wrote:

Having a .38 in my purse saved me LL...

It is more likely to kill you.

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Obviously it did not and she is still alive. So how can that gun kill her LL. Is it one of those strange things that just come alive on their own and start killing?
Guns do not kill people...get a frigging reality check going LL.

Quote: a .38 in my purse saved me

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Spin it LL, that is all you can do with her choice of words....pure ignorant spin

I choose to use the same kind of words than private_citizen did, your call.

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No LL...the gun is an object that did not kill her...in itself it does nothing and that is what you have said so mant times that guns kill people... The gun she used saved her life and if you cannot see that then you are only fishing for something to fight about.... I stand up when people get stupid and try to make a gun seem like it kills people...
But all in all I am glad she is still alive and a gun saved her life. So unless you want to see her dead I would suggest that you go away brfore you get nailed for being stuck on stupid....she is clearly alive because of a gun and the fact that she chose 2 words is what your whole fuss is about...that is really bad on your part.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

a gun is metal tube with a hammer until the human element is thrown into the mix.

private_citizen · Joined: 27 Aug 2006 Posts: 575 Location: New Hampshire

Actually, LL I said, "HAVING a .38 in my purse saved me LL!" if you are going to quote me, quote the entire sentence. Just showing it to someone who was attempting to assail me was deterrent enough for him to change his mind. The gun itself did nothing, it just sat there quietly. Nevertheless, I used it just the same. Had I not had it, I know I most certainly would have been a victim of a violent crime.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

lilwolf wrote:

No LL...the gun is an object that did not kill her...in itself it does nothing and that is what you have said so mant times that guns kill people... The gun she used saved her life and if you cannot see that then you are only fishing for something to fight about.... I stand up when people get stupid and try to make a gun seem like it kills people...
But all in all I am glad she is still alive and a gun saved her life. So unless you want to see her dead I would suggest that you go away brfore you get nailed for being stuck on stupid....she is clearly alive because of a gun and the fact that she chose 2 words is what your whole fuss is about...that is really bad on your part.

You have been told that in itself it did something, it saved a life she said.

She did not say she used it, she said where it was and that it saved her life, read her post again.

You fussed about my answer to her post and yet you are unable to fuss about her own post, why is that? Does a gun save lives on it's own but can't kill anyone on it's own, does it only comes alive when in a purse?
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Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

private_citizen wrote: Actually, LL I said, "HAVING a .38 in my purse saved me LL!" if you are going to quote me, quote the entire sentence. Just showing it to someone who was attempting to assail me was deterrent enough for him to change his mind. The gun itself did nothing, it just sat there quietly. Nevertheless, I used it just the same. Had I not had it, I know I most certainly would have been a victim of a violent crime.

You can quote the whole of your post if you wish Private_Citizen, the fact is that you want us to believe that a gun in your purse saved your life. If it did nothing, it did not save your life, if it did something I would love to know what it did.

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lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12491 Location: idaho

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

No LL...the gun is an object that did not kill her...in itself it does nothing and that is what you have said so mant times that guns kill people... The gun she used saved her life and if you cannot see that then you are only fishing for something to fight about.... I stand up when people get stupid and try to make a gun seem like it kills people...
But all in all I am glad she is still alive and a gun saved her life. So unless you want to see her dead I would suggest that you go away brfore you get nailed for being stuck on stupid....she is clearly alive because of a gun and the fact that she chose 2 words is what your whole fuss is about...that is really bad on your part.

You have been told that in itself it did something, it saved a life she said.

She did not say she used it, she said where it was and that it saved her life, read her post again.

You fussed about my answer to her post and yet you are unable to fuss about her own post, why is that? Does a gun save lives on it's own but can't kill anyone on it's own, does it only comes alive when in a purse?
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Well apparently you have nothing to do other than spin words LL.Why is that ? Do you not have anything positive to say about the fact that the gun saved a life.
Would you like me to post about 100+ accounts of where a gun used saved a life? I can but you would blatantly call each person a bad name and accuse the use of propaganda.... If you wish I will do that for you LL
then if you would like I can post 100+ accounts of where the gun was shown and not used and the mere presence deterd a criminal and saved a life.

So it is your choice LL...how would you like it .....say 100 of each I can do it you know and would be very happy to prove it for you.

private_citizen · Joined: 27 Aug 2006 Posts: 575 Location: New Hampshire

Lucky Luke wrote: private_citizen wrote: Actually, LL I said, "HAVING a .38 in my purse saved me LL!" if you are going to quote me, quote the entire sentence. Just showing it to someone who was attempting to assail me was deterrent enough for him to change his mind. The gun itself did nothing, it just sat there quietly. Nevertheless, I used it just the same. Had I not had it, I know I most certainly would have been a victim of a violent crime.

You can quote the whole of your post if you wish Private_Citizen, the fact is that you want us to believe that a gun in your purse saved your life. If it did nothing, it did not save your life, if it did something I would love to know what it did.

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"if it did something I would love to know what it did"

I will tell you what it did, it scared the living crap out of the guy. Just his knowing I had it, and was not afraid to utilize it to decapitate his little pedro, was enough.
Had it NOT been there, he would have commensed his attack and I would have been powerless to stop it. You do not need to fire a gun to use it as a weapon of self defense.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

lilwolf wrote:

Well apparently you have nothing to do other than spin words LL.Why is that ? Do you not have anything positive to say about the fact that the gun saved a life.
Would you like me to post about 100+ accounts of where a gun used saved a life? I can but you would blatantly call each person a bad name and accuse the use of propaganda.... If you wish I will do that for you LL
then if you would like I can post 100+ accounts of where the gun was shown and not used and the mere presence deterd a criminal and saved a life.

So it is your choice LL...how would you like it .....say 100 of each I can do it you know and would be very happy to prove it for you.

You are mistaken Lilwolf, again.

The gun was in her purse Lilwolf, she did not use it and yet she claims that it saved her life.

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Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

private_citizen wrote:

"if it did something I would love to know what it did"

I will tell you what it did, it scared the living crap out of the guy. Just his knowing I had it, and was not afraid to utilize it to decapitate his little pedro, was enough.
Had it NOT been there, he would have commensed his attack and I would have been powerless to stop it. You do not need to fire a gun to use it as a weapon of self defense.

The gun was in the purse, stayed in the purse and yet managed to save your life you are claiming. How Private_Citizen? What did the gun do that any unarmed person could have done with an empty purse?

Have you got a CCW permit?
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private_citizen · Joined: 27 Aug 2006 Posts: 575 Location: New Hampshire

Lucky Luke wrote: private_citizen wrote:

"if it did something I would love to know what it did"

I will tell you what it did, it scared the living crap out of the guy. Just his knowing I had it, and was not afraid to utilize it to decapitate his little pedro, was enough.
Had it NOT been there, he would have commensed his attack and I would have been powerless to stop it. You do not need to fire a gun to use it as a weapon of self defense.

The gun was in the purse, stayed in the purse and yet managed to save your life you are claiming. How Private_Citizen? What did the gun do that any unarmed person could have done with an empty purse?

Have you got a CCW permit?
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Your damn right I have a CCW permit, in fact it is laminated and in my purse, right next to the sewn in holster.

How friggen technical do you want to get LL? What next, are you going to ask what brand of ammo?
Now I think you are just picking bones.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

private_citizen wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: private_citizen wrote:

"if it did something I would love to know what it did"

I will tell you what it did, it scared the living crap out of the guy. Just his knowing I had it, and was not afraid to utilize it to decapitate his little pedro, was enough.
Had it NOT been there, he would have commensed his attack and I would have been powerless to stop it. You do not need to fire a gun to use it as a weapon of self defense.

The gun was in the purse, stayed in the purse and yet managed to save your life you are claiming. How Private_Citizen? What did the gun do that any unarmed person could have done with an empty purse?

Have you got a CCW permit?
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Your damn right I have a CCW permit, in fact it is laminated and in my purse, right next to the sewn in holster.

How friggen technical do you want to get LL? What next, are you going to ask what brand of ammo?
Now I think you are just picking bones.

I was just checking that you acted legally Private_Citizen.

Now you said the gun saved your life.

But you said the gun stayed in your purse?!

And what make you think that you were going to be killed anyway?

Your story just doesn't make sense Private_Citizen.

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wyldejackyl · Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 7195 Location: Chicago, IL

I don't think she ever said she was going to be killed. She said, "violent crime." My best guess would be rape. While not as bad as death in some people's eyes..it comes pretty close as you have to live with the consequences for the rest of your life. LL, are you saying that unless direct death is threatened, that a lawfully carrying citizen doesn't have a right to defend herself with a firearm? I can think of many horrible things that aren't death...

private_citizen · Joined: 27 Aug 2006 Posts: 575 Location: New Hampshire

Lucky Luke wrote: private_citizen wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: private_citizen wrote:

"if it did something I would love to know what it did"

I will tell you what it did, it scared the living crap out of the guy. Just his knowing I had it, and was not afraid to utilize it to decapitate his little pedro, was enough.
Had it NOT been there, he would have commensed his attack and I would have been powerless to stop it. You do not need to fire a gun to use it as a weapon of self defense.

The gun was in the purse, stayed in the purse and yet managed to save your life you are claiming. How Private_Citizen? What did the gun do that any unarmed person could have done with an empty purse?

Have you got a CCW permit?
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Your damn right I have a CCW permit, in fact it is laminated and in my purse, right next to the sewn in holster.

How friggen technical do you want to get LL? What next, are you going to ask what brand of ammo?
Now I think you are just picking bones.

I was just checking that you acted legally Private_Citizen.

Now you said the gun saved your life.

But you said the gun stayed in your purse?!

And what make you think that you were going to be killed anyway?

Your story just doesn't make sense Private_Citizen.

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I would prefer NOT to get into details with anyone as to what happened and did not happen that day. Any man who would want details on what happened makes me uncomfortable.

Snake · Joined: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 21776 Location: e-Thuggin

Guns deter criminals because, like the rest of us, they don't want to get shot

private_citizen · Joined: 27 Aug 2006 Posts: 575 Location: New Hampshire

Kamel wrote: Guns deter criminals because, like the rest of us, they don't want to get shot

AMEN!

sailorman126 · Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 417

ll
once again you just attack anyone that knows that a gun can save a life r stop a crime.
you either cant read english very well or you intentionaly misread to make up the bs you post to back up your claims.
as for you pretending that private citiznes gun did not stop a crime on her is just pathetic.
you where not there she was she says that her having a gun saved her from an attack so why are you calling her a liar?
what proof do you have that she is lieing?
i know many people that have used a gun in self defense with out firing a shot. examples chambering a round into the shot gun has stoped crimes.
but i bet you will deny that also and call me a liar. becaseu that is all you do.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

wyldejackyl wrote: I don't think she ever said she was going to be killed. She said, "violent crime." My best guess would be rape. While not as bad as death in some people's eyes..it comes pretty close as you have to live with the consequences for the rest of your life. LL, are you saying that unless direct death is threatened, that a lawfully carrying citizen doesn't have a right to defend herself with a firearm? I can think of many horrible things that aren't death...

I don't do guesses, if someone comes here with an argument he/she better tell us what he/she means.

Having a .38 in my purse saved me LL said Private_Citizen I disagree. Had she said she felt safer because she had a gun in her purse I would have understood.

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The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

Lucky Luke wrote: wyldejackyl wrote: I don't think she ever said she was going to be killed. She said, "violent crime." My best guess would be rape. While not as bad as death in some people's eyes..it comes pretty close as you have to live with the consequences for the rest of your life. LL, are you saying that unless direct death is threatened, that a lawfully carrying citizen doesn't have a right to defend herself with a firearm? I can think of many horrible things that aren't death...

I don't do guesses, if someone comes here with an argument he/she better tell us what he/she means.

Having a .38 in my purse saved me LL said Private_Citizen I disagree. Had she said she felt safer because she had a gun in her purse I would have understood.

that doesn't make any sense. your entire argument has broken down, so now you turn the argument into a battle of semantics