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Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Source

Is this not discrimination versus the Jews? What if a white cop refused to guard an African embassy? Wouldn't that be bashed as racism?

Oh and apparently the UK government is ok with this.

NovaPacifica · Joined: 04 Oct 2006 Posts: 48 Location: United States

Venom wrote: Source

Is this not discrimination versus the Jews? What if a white cop refused to guard an African embassy? Wouldn't that be bashed as racism?

Oh and apparently the UK government is ok with this.

Whatever floats their boat, If he refuses to do his job ... fire him.

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Quote: Whatever floats their boat, If he refuses to do his job ... fire him.
I agree.
Why is this outright discrimination supported by the UK?
Whats next, segregation?

NovaPacifica · Joined: 04 Oct 2006 Posts: 48 Location: United States

I am not sure if this is correct, but I read that they have also a tight restrictions on weapons. Hahah, I love the British they dont take anything from anyone.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 15233 Location: On Earth

Venom wrote: Source

Is this not discrimination versus the Jews? What if a white cop refused to guard an African embassy? Wouldn't that be bashed as racism?

Oh and apparently the UK government is ok with this.

You're right: he's not doing his job. However, here's another question for you: would an Israeli guard a Hamas embassy, if there was one?

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7442 Location: Petah Tikva

I think a better example would be a Palestinian embassy and I think we would, we managed to do it for Egypt and Jordan the closest comparisons I can think of to a Palestinian embassy.

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Saracen
An Israeli guarding a Hamas buiding is not nearly the same as this.......

If a UK cop that was Jewish refused to guard a Palestinian embassy would that be tolerated?

This wasn't a Palestinian, he was a Brit.

Now Hamas is a terrorist organization according to Israel so that is also a different circumstance now isn't it?

mr_happy · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 319

no need to get uppity. just fire him.

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Just fire him? It would have been fine if they had.... but they didn't, instead he doesn't have to guard the Israeli embassy now. So I guess if an Israeli is being murdered he doesn't have to stop that either?

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

this saddens me to be honest. If the police get political in who they decide to protect, what is going to happen when it comes to responding to a 911 call from a battered Muslim woman or a homosexual victim of a homophobic attack? Will the officer who turns up just say "I am sorry, I can't protect you because you are a degenerate who needs to be wiped off the face of the earth" ... shocking to say the least.

Bonobo · Joined: 21 Aug 2006 Posts: 741 Location: London

You are speaking about a man who has a Lebanese wife along with Lebanese family, it is claimed protecting the Israeli embassy could have endagered their lives.

More importantly you are speaking about a man whose family have just been bombed, I won't bother citing the millions of people displaced etc. as this isn't the thread, merely clarifying that I doubt any true person of Lebanese decent could at this time defend an Israeli embassy and consider it the morally right thing to do.

As fo the government / police force doing somethingn about it, they decided that as it was a security issue (endangering his family) the excue was valid.

I of course believe the morale justification should alone be enough

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Bonobo
Well according to the BBC the cop's problem with protecting the Israeli Embassy was: Quote: Initially it was reported that his request was accepted on political and moral grounds because he objected to Israeli foreign policy.

Later the Association of Muslim Police Officers said : Quote: this was a "welfare issue" because the officer had felt unsafe for himself and his family because of his Middle Eastern background.

So what it would appear me to is that he does not truly fear for his family or for his own life. If that was the case why is he a cop in the first place? The whole idea with being a cop is dealing with criminals whom are by nature dangerous. If he feels his job is too dangerous then he should resign and find a new job which would be fine by me. Source

Can you post to where you found out this imformation about his wife and family please?

Quote: I of course believe the morale justification should alone be enough
There is nothing moral for a cop to expect to not have to perform his sworn duty because he does not agree with the moral and political grounds of the country's embassy he is supposed to guard.
Now I believe what he first requested and if he will openly not protect the Israeli Embassy what else won't he protect because he does not agree with it?

Bonobo · Joined: 21 Aug 2006 Posts: 741 Location: London

Venom wrote:
Can you post to where you found out this imformation about his wife and family please?

All I said was his wife and some of his family were from Lebanon, with some members still there.

If you contest that look it up.

Venom wrote: Quote: I of course believe the morale justification should alone be enough
There is nothing moral for a cop to expect to not have to perform his sworn duty because he does not agree with the moral and political grounds of the country's embassy he is supposed to guard.
Now I believe what he first requested and if he will openly not protect the Israeli Embassy what else won't he protect because he does not agree with it?

Dealing with your 'if a cop isn't willing to risk it why become a cop', if you can find any cop who is willing to risk his families life in order to perform an innane task with no real benefit which can easily be performed by someone else at no risk, you've found yourself an idiotic cop who obviously has no love for his family.

Again, even irrelevant of his family being put at risk, I see his stance as perfectly understandable. If you're suggesting that every time you disagree with one of your countries foreign policies you should stop working for it, good luck to you, however I'm sure he signed up to be a policeman to protect his community and friends, not to protect the embassy of the nation killing his family and friends abroad.

Or are you now saying that if you disagree with UK Middle Eastern policy you shouldn't hold any job that may entail supporting Israel?

Deus · Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Posts: 2164 Location: Aalesund

Venom wrote: Source

Is this not discrimination versus the Jews? What if a white cop refused to guard an African embassy? Wouldn't that be bashed as racism?

Oh and apparently the UK government is ok with this.

Israel != jews

Its based on Israels action not the jews.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

Wait, why is this even a GD issue? Because it was front page of some Murdoch owned piece of trash tabloid?

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

Wait, why is this even a GD issue? Because it was front page of some Murdoch owned piece of trash tabloid?

mendosan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 2332

I think he was afraid of Muslims targeting his family in the UK, if they saw him guarding the embassy, the problem is he can't do the job, so he needs to be moved off diplomatic duty to a job he can do.

Police in the UK swear an oath to the Queen saying they won't let, politics or religion or anything get in the way of them doing there duty.

Quote: I, .. <Officer's Name> .. of .. <Police Force Name> .. do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.

Its fairly open and shut if he can't do his job he should be moved to a job he can do, there's no picking and choosing in the police force.

mendosan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 2332

Quote: Or are you now saying that if you disagree with UK Middle Eastern policy you shouldn't hold any job that may entail supporting Israel?

You probably shouldn't be a diplomatic Guard, thats just commen sense.

mendosan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 2332

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: this saddens me to be honest. If the police get political in who they decide to protect, what is going to happen when it comes to responding to a 911 call from a battered Muslim woman or a homosexual victim of a homophobic attack? Will the officer who turns up just say "I am sorry, I can't protect you because you are a degenerate who needs to be wiped off the face of the earth" ... shocking to say the least.

Excellent post, if you can't do the job don't sign up for it.

Bonobo · Joined: 21 Aug 2006 Posts: 741 Location: London

mendosan wrote: Quote: Or are you now saying that if you disagree with UK Middle Eastern policy you shouldn't hold any job that may entail supporting Israel?

You probably shouldn't be a diplomatic Guard, thats just commen sense.

He is a policeman ... someone who has decided to risk his life daily to try and help protect hsi community, and I would imagine it is this honour and morale code that prevents him protecting the murderers of his people.

What part you can't understand about this I really don't know. Israel has just made 1,000,000 of his people homeless, killed however many more, and you people have the nerve to sugegst he isn't fair for not defending the Israeli Embassy?

As for all the 'police shouldn't decide who they protect', they don't. One man made a decision based on personal reasons, it in no way implies 'every policeman' etc..