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[Alyssa M.]

perdidochas wrote: Alyssa M. wrote: perdidochas wrote: Alyssa M. wrote: I would say no, because of the reason it's probably really stressful being a teacher and sometimes people do dumb things when aggravated. Not saying anyone would do this I'm just saying it could happen. Also there's the fact of a student getting a hold of it. That would probably lead to even more school shootings for being able to get access to such weapons could be endangering the student body even more.

1) There are very few cases of teachers getting so mad as to physically assault a student. In cities I've lived in, I can only recall hearing one or two cases of this. It's unlikely that most teachers will ever get mad enough to use a gun. Most people who go through the trouble of getting concealed weapons permits don't get mad and whip out their guns at a moment's provocation. very few, it still could happen

If you look at the 32 school shooting incidents of the last ten years, a definite pattern emerges. The shooters have been students, former students of the school, random psychos (the recent ones come to mind), and disgruntled boyfriends of teachers. Note what is conspicuously absent from the list--teachers. Having taught for 8 yrs (not currently), and being married to a teacher, I honestly think that I would trust most teachers with guns more than I would most people. For the most part, they are level-headed, cautious people.

Alyssa M. wrote: Quote: 2) The teachers could do what local school resource officers do. Carry the gun in an ankle holster, and teach the teachers a few kicking defenses. It's almost impossible for someone to steal a gun out of an ankle holster. They could be thrown off guard.

Not likely. The defense of an ankle holster is too easy--simply kick the person trying to take a gun from it. The act of attempting to kick will be enough to prevent taking the gun out by another.

Alyssa M. wrote: Quote: 3) I don't necessarily think arming teachers is a good idea, but that's because I don't think school shootings are a major issue. I agree I don't think it's major issue either.

At least you're right about something :P Is there a right or wrong opinion? Anything could happen. Although you are right there have been little records of teachers shooting anyone, I said it could happen, not it did. As for the ankle holster issue, am I wrong? I also said it could happen.

[The Grandmaster]

perdidochas wrote: It's almost impossible for someone to steal a gun out of an ankle holster.

Quote: They could be thrown off guard.

Not likely. The defense of an ankle holster is too easy--simply kick the person trying to take a gun from it. The act of attempting to kick will be enough to prevent taking the gun out by another.

What if the attacker is a wrestler or submission fighter, and skilled at takedowns? He shoots in for a single leg pick, and brings the teacher to the ground, neutralizing all standup skills and kicks, then goes for an anklelock, securing the leg. If he is a skilled submissionist, he can completely freeze the leg in a leglock, and take the gun.

[Snake]

I have to vote no. Though I am all for the right to own firearms, this is just another stunt to make people think congress is doing something. What needs to be done is to look at why these little psychopaths are wanting to be the next big thing in mass murder, and act accordingly. Guns aren't the problem, and they aren't the solution. You really want to protect your children in a quick fix kind of way, give them some kevlar vests.

[perdidochas]

The Grandmaster wrote: perdidochas wrote: It's almost impossible for someone to steal a gun out of an ankle holster.

Quote: They could be thrown off guard.

Not likely. The defense of an ankle holster is too easy--simply kick the person trying to take a gun from it. The act of attempting to kick will be enough to prevent taking the gun out by another.

What if the attacker is a wrestler or submission fighter, and skilled at takedowns? He shoots in for a single leg pick, and brings the teacher to the ground, neutralizing all standup skills and kicks, then goes for an anklelock, securing the leg. If he is a skilled submissionist, he can completely freeze the leg in a leglock, and take the gun.

If he can do all that, he's dangerous enough without a gun.

[justathought]

Since I voted NO. Personally, if I was a teacher these days. I'd make sure I had a permit to carry a concealed weapon on my person. Seeing the rise in attacks, and depending on where you happen to teach. But, looking at it differently. It could also become a real problem if one or more students, built like football players decided to overpower a teacher with a weapon, then turned around to use it on other students, or the teachers themselves.
There is no RIGHT answer. It must depend on the teacher, and the administration, with the knowledge of the PARENTS. You know. Those who send their children to a place where they THINK their kids will be safe?

[perdidochas]

justathought wrote: Since I voted NO. Personally, if I was a teacher these days. I'd make sure I had a permit to carry a concealed weapon on my person. Seeing the rise in attacks, and depending on where you happen to teach. But, looking at it differently. It could also become a real problem if one or more students, built like football players decided to overpower a teacher with a weapon, then turned around to use it on other students, or the teachers themselves.
There is no RIGHT answer. It must depend on the teacher, and the administration, with the knowledge of the PARENTS. You know. Those who send their children to a place where they THINK their kids will be safe?

Most kids are very safe at school. In terms of deaths by shooting in schools (both of teachers and students) there have been less than 55 in the last ten years. Considering that at any one time there are about 50 million kids in school, and that ten years consists of 1800 school days, that means that the chance of being shot in school per day per 100,000 students is about .000611. I know that the ride to school is much more dangerous.

[moody]

Just listen what some people are saying:
Arm teachers, get metal detectors. Lets have a school shoot out.
Great idea: turn schools into military base.
Instead of trying to get to the root of the problem, and to prevent problems, people are trying to mend already created wounds by arming teachers. Aside from shutting down the whole stadium during Janet Jackson "incident' that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Arm people who supposed to teach our children and have them shoot at our children if necessary. Very barbaric, mid ages, stupid, and makes no sense.
No wonder we're always step behind in war on terror.

Guns should be outlawed everywhere. Period. I have no shred of doubt, and I am ex military.
Sorry to say but second amendment is bull and is wrong. Just because is in constitution, it doesn't make it right.

[Alyssa M.]

The Grandmaster wrote: perdidochas wrote: It's almost impossible for someone to steal a gun out of an ankle holster.

Quote: They could be thrown off guard.

Not likely. The defense of an ankle holster is too easy--simply kick the person trying to take a gun from it. The act of attempting to kick will be enough to prevent taking the gun out by another.

What if the attacker is a wrestler or submission fighter, and skilled at takedowns? He shoots in for a single leg pick, and brings the teacher to the ground, neutralizing all standup skills and kicks, then goes for an anklelock, securing the leg. If he is a skilled submissionist, he can completely freeze the leg in a leglock, and take the gun. someone could easily throw something at their head to know them out. I'm just defending my opinion.

[Korimyr the Rat]

Allowing teachers to be armed would probably save more lives than it would cost; I think requiring them to be armed is pointless, as people carrying guns unwillingly uniformly use them poorly.

It's also not worth getting upset about. School shootings are incredibly rare, with organized sports being a likelier cause of student fatalities.

Honestly, the lives lost to school shootings are inconsequential. The big problem is the stupid overreactions they seem to provoke-- and the subsequent damage to our educational system.

[Snake]

since when were any of the school shooters built like athletes? It's always some pale thin emo f**k that gets picked on for being a useless douche.

[Wolverine]

The school shouldn't arm the teachers, but of the teachers want to carry a concealed weapon that should be fine.