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anti-communist
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bayareaberg
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Wow, that's great.
I'm sure many more people have died from imperialist capitalist states that raped and pillaged during the 19th and 20th centuries. |
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The Comrade
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bayareaberg wrote: Wow, that's great.
I'm sure many more people have died from imperialist capitalist states that raped and pillaged during the 19th and 20th centuries.
no i'm pretty sure more people haven't died from that. |
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lilwolf
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bayareaberg wrote: Wow, that's great.
I'm sure many more people have died from imperialist capitalist states that raped and pillaged during the 19th and 20th centuries.
Some how I doubt it....add up the numbers here:
Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69) 49,000,000 ("great leap forward" and "cultural revolution")
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1934-39) 13,000,000 (the purges)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians WWII)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915) 1,200,000 Armenians
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994) 800,000
Suharto (East Timor, 1976-98) 600,000
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88) 600,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1971) vs Bangladesh 500,000
Fumimaro Konoe (Japan, 1937-39) 500,000? (Chinese civilians)
Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002) 400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001) 400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979) 300,000
Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Yugoslavia, WWII) 300,000
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97) ?
Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996) 220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000) 200,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-96) 180,000
Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972) 150,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999) 100,000
Jean-Bedel Bokassa (Centrafrica, 1966-79) ?
Richard Nixon (Vietnam, 1969-1974) 70,000 (vietnamese civilians)
Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala, 1982-83) 70,000
Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti, 1957-71) 60,000
Hissene Habre (Chad, 1982-1990) 40,000
Chiang Kai-shek (Taiwan, 1947) 30,000 (popular uprising)
Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 (dissidents executed)
Francisco Franco (Spain) 30,000 (dissidents executed after the civil war)
Lyndon Johnson (Vietnam, 1963-1968) 30,000
Hafez Al-Assad (Syria, 1980-2000) 25,000
Khomeini (Iran, 1979-89) 20,000
Guy Mollet (France, 1956-1957) 10,000 (war in Algeria)
Paul Koroma (Sierra Leone, 1997) 6,000
Osama Bin Laden (worldwide, 1993-2001) 3,500
Augusto Pinochet (Chile, 1973) 3,000
Rafael Videla (Argentina, 1976-83) 3,000
Al Zarqawi (Iraq, 2004-06) 2,000
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html
Somehow this is more than what you are implying. and this really does not include the 60- 80 million that the soviet union had killed in its rise to power. :-D |
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bayareaberg
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Hitler wasn't communist. Neither were half of those statistics. Somehow you're including reactions to communists by capitalists as well.
All the people who died in the imperialist atrocities are incalculable. 20 million in the Congo alone. |
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lilwolf
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bayareaberg wrote: Wow, that's great.
I'm sure many more people have died from imperialist capitalist states that raped and pillaged during the 19th and 20th centuries.
Nope you said the above quote and this showed that these are hardly imperialist capitalist states. There is what you said and this list counters your argument.
I said only that the former soviet union in its rise to power killed approx. the numbers listed, so show me where imperialist capitalistic stated killed more than China and the soviet union. |
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The Comrade
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bayareaberg wrote: Hitler wasn't communist. Neither were half of those statistics. Somehow you're including reactions to communists by capitalists as well.
All the people who died in the imperialist atrocities are incalculable. 20 million in the Congo alone.
bulls**t.
you haven't provided a source for these claims. and stating it's "incalculable" is just a cop out answer.
just come out and say it, you hate america. |
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lilwolf
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bayareaberg wrote: Hitler wasn't communist. Neither were half of those statistics. Somehow you're including reactions to communists by capitalists as well.
All the people who died in the imperialist atrocities are incalculable. 20 million in the Congo alone.
Where is your source and link for all of us to chew your dumb non factual statement apart. What do hate america or what.
If you do pack up and move to someplace that might like your stupidity in believing non facutal ideas. :-D |
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skylance
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:roll: I guess even human lost(as slaves) in Africa is more than this.
and these figures are suspisious too |
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bob.appleyard
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| The various experiments in authoritarian forms of government in the 20th Century were catastrophic in terms of human life, this is undeniable. |
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bob.appleyard
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bayareaberg wrote: Wow, that's great.
I'm sure many more people have died from imperialist capitalist states that raped and pillaged during the 19th and 20th centuries.
See "Late Victorian Holocausts" by M. Davis for some examples.
The artificial famine of 1876-8, coupled with a a particularly harsh system of labour camps, killed approximately 30 million Indians, for instance. |
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Anarko-Kapitalizt
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: About 100 million people died in20 century due to commun |
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anti-communist wrote: China 60 million
USSR 30 million
North Korea 3 millon
Cambodia 2 million
Eastern Europe and Africa 1 million
Those wern't communist states. They were state socialist states. |
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Demonic Spoon
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No, MY E-PENIS is bigger.
Seriously, who gives a rats ass? Is there some point you are trying to prove? How exactly does stating that one ideology slaughtered a few more people than another actually prove anything? |
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marapets
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lilwolf wrote: bayareaberg wrote: Wow, that's great.
I'm sure many more people have died from imperialist capitalist states that raped and pillaged during the 19th and 20th centuries.
Some how I doubt it....add up the numbers here:
Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69) 49,000,000 ("great leap forward" and "cultural revolution")
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1934-39) 13,000,000 (the purges)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians WWII)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915) 1,200,000 Armenians
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994) 800,000
Suharto (East Timor, 1976-98) 600,000
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88) 600,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1971) vs Bangladesh 500,000
Fumimaro Konoe (Japan, 1937-39) 500,000? (Chinese civilians)
Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002) 400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001) 400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979) 300,000
Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Yugoslavia, WWII) 300,000
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97) ?
Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996) 220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000) 200,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-96) 180,000
Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972) 150,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999) 100,000
Jean-Bedel Bokassa (Centrafrica, 1966-79) ?
Richard Nixon (Vietnam, 1969-1974) 70,000 (vietnamese civilians)
Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala, 1982-83) 70,000
Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti, 1957-71) 60,000
Hissene Habre (Chad, 1982-1990) 40,000
Chiang Kai-shek (Taiwan, 1947) 30,000 (popular uprising)
Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 (dissidents executed)
Francisco Franco (Spain) 30,000 (dissidents executed after the civil war)
Lyndon Johnson (Vietnam, 1963-1968) 30,000
Hafez Al-Assad (Syria, 1980-2000) 25,000
Khomeini (Iran, 1979-89) 20,000
Guy Mollet (France, 1956-1957) 10,000 (war in Algeria)
Paul Koroma (Sierra Leone, 1997) 6,000
Osama Bin Laden (worldwide, 1993-2001) 3,500
Augusto Pinochet (Chile, 1973) 3,000
Rafael Videla (Argentina, 1976-83) 3,000
Al Zarqawi (Iraq, 2004-06) 2,000
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html
Somehow this is more than what you are implying. and this really does not include the 60- 80 million that the soviet union had killed in its rise to power. :-D
are you an idiot most of them arent communists!!!! |
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anti-communist
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: About 100 million people died in20 century due to commun |
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Anarko-Kapitalizt wrote: anti-communist wrote: China 60 million
USSR 30 million
North Korea 3 millon
Cambodia 2 million
Eastern Europe and Africa 1 million
Those wern't communist states. They were state socialist states. Countries like Norway, Denmark, Sweden are socialist states |
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Corona
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| People die during transitions. It's a known and documented fact. |
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Narvik
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: Re: About 100 million people died in20 century due to commun |
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anti-communist wrote: Anarko-Kapitalizt wrote: anti-communist wrote: China 60 million
USSR 30 million
North Korea 3 millon
Cambodia 2 million
Eastern Europe and Africa 1 million
Those wern't communist states. They were state socialist states. Countries like Norway, Denmark, Sweden are socialist states
nah. I know I live in a social democracy. That's not pure socialism..
Pure socialism is bad.. bad!! |
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Limey Boosk
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There is a big difference between socialism and communism. Americans cannot tell the difference.
Communism has got to be the dumbest thing in history.
Socialism, like we have in the UK, mixed together with capitalism is the best system.
All you ultra-right or ultra-left nuts destroy countries. The people in the middle reap the rewards by using the best parts of both. |
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Anarko-Kapitalizt
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: About 100 million people died in20 century due to commun |
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anti-communist wrote: Anarko-Kapitalizt wrote: anti-communist wrote: China 60 million
USSR 30 million
North Korea 3 millon
Cambodia 2 million
Eastern Europe and Africa 1 million
Those wern't communist states. They were state socialist states. Countries like Norway, Denmark, Sweden are socialist states
You misunderstood me. I said state socialists states. |
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Anarko-Kapitalizt
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Limey Boosk wrote: There is a big difference between socialism and communism. Americans cannot tell the difference.
Communism has got to be the dumbest thing in history.
Socialism, like we have in the UK, mixed together with capitalism is the best system.
All you ultra-right or ultra-left nuts destroy countries. The people in the middle reap the rewards by using the best parts of both.
So how is the third way the best system? |
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