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[Snake]

MoscowMatt wrote: Just looked it up and it is definatley French! The Russians were tenacious fighters for one!! appearently you never read his biography. He hated the Russians, and felt it was an insult to fight along side them, he even went so far as to state that we should join the Germans and together destroy the Russians.

[MoscowMatt]

SpartanPhalanx wrote: Limey Boosk wrote: Quote: What is it about the english, they always need someone to look down at.

Nah, its just that we have earned that right because we have saved the world from tin-pot loons like Napolean and Hitler.
France? They think a victory is making a bunch of bored homesick English soldiers go back home with fingers smelling of Joan of Arc.


The English saved the world from Hitler?

Really?

Where would England be without the Americans saving their ass in 1942?

Churchill spent 2 years begging Roosevelt to enter the war and had the Japanese not attacked Pearl Harbour in Dec 1941, you'd probably be speaking German right now.

Furthermore, the Russians bore the brunt of casualties fighting the Germans so you can thank them too.

If The RAF had lost the Battle of Britain Germany would have been able to invade the UK and the Americans would have not had a platform from which to launch D-day.

So therefore it is perfectly plausible to say that we did!

Personally I feel we owe the most to the Russians 25 million war dead out of a total of 50 million killed in WWII says it all.

That's not to say that the Americans did not play there part. When countries work together then evil can be defeated. Something to think about regarding the 'war on terror'.

Quote: had the Japanese not attacked Pearl Harbour in Dec 1941, you'd probably be speaking German right now.



As would you!!

[SpartanPhalanx]

MoscowMatt wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: Limey Boosk wrote: Quote: What is it about the english, they always need someone to look down at.

Nah, its just that we have earned that right because we have saved the world from tin-pot loons like Napolean and Hitler.
France? They think a victory is making a bunch of bored homesick English soldiers go back home with fingers smelling of Joan of Arc.


The English saved the world from Hitler?

Really?

Where would England be without the Americans saving their ass in 1942?

Churchill spent 2 years begging Roosevelt to enter the war and had the Japanese not attacked Pearl Harbour in Dec 1941, you'd probably be speaking German right now.

Furthermore, the Russians bore the brunt of casualties fighting the Germans so you can thank them too.

If The RAF had lost the Battle of Britain Germany would have been able to invade the UK and the Americans would have not had a platform from which to launch D-day.

So therefore it is perfectly plausible to say that we did!
Personally I feel we owe the most to the Russians 25 million war dead out of a total of 50 million killed in WWII says it all.

That's not to say that the Americans did not play there part. When countries work together then evil can be defeated. Something to think about regarding the 'war on terror'.

Quote: had the Japanese not attacked Pearl Harbour in Dec 1941, you'd probably be speaking German right now.



As would you!!


How is it plausible?. Britain was in an impossible position. She could not defeat Nazi German by herself. That's all I'm challenging. His statement is factually wrong. I'm not taking anything away from those brave RAF pilots. They fought admirably. Brits simply can't claim they defeated Nazi Germany.

As far as the war on terror goes, completely unrelated. You can't compare the two.

[thundertaker]

SpartanPhalanx wrote:


How is it plausible?. Britain was in an impossible position. She could not defeat Nazi German by herself. That's all I'm challenging. His statement is factually wrong. I'm not taking anything away from those brave RAF pilots. They fought admirably. Brits simply can't claim they defeated Nazi Germany.

As far as the war on terror goes, completely unrelated. You can't compare the two.

We might not have been able to beat the Germans alone 'Sparky', but if we hadn't stayed in the war, (as opposed to making peace with Hitler, invasion was impossible, see my thread in the History section) you would definately be speaking either German, Italian, or Russian.
There would have been no liberation of Continental Europe without the UK, except possibly by the Soviets, if you could call that 'liberation'.
In any case, Churchill fought hard to keep Greece from going to the Communists, if Churchill hadn't successfully persuaded Stalin to let us have a free hand in allowing us to help crush the communists in Greece, you would probably have spent most of the 20th century living under a Stalinist dictatorship, assuming you wouldn't like that sort of thing in your country.......

[Limey Boosk]

Quote: Brits simply can't claim they defeated Nazi Germany.



Joint effort. But Britain displayed the most morals. We didn't wait for Hitler to attack us like America who slept until Pearl Harbor when Germany declared war ON THEM, or the Russians who thought they had a deal with the third Reich.

A large slice of the battles involved Brits, so we can say we defeated Nazi Germany.

Thanks for the Olympics Greek Boy! Maybe you may come back and do something interesting and/or moral for the first time in 2000 years besides winning the Euro championship.

For now just ride in HMS Britannia's wake with your hairy french friends.

[Limey Boosk]

Quote: In any case, Churchill fought hard to keep Greece from going to the Communists, if Churchill hadn't successfully persuaded Stalin to let us have a free hand in allowing us to help crush the communists in Greece, you would probably have spent most of the 20th century living under a Stalinist dictatorship, assuming you wouldn't like that sort of thing in your country.......

Another person saved by the fine efforts of Britain. Bringing justice and freedom to the planet.

Do we get any thanks? NOPE!

[SpartanPhalanx]

thundertaker wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote:


How is it plausible?. Britain was in an impossible position. She could not defeat Nazi German by herself. That's all I'm challenging. His statement is factually wrong. I'm not taking anything away from those brave RAF pilots. They fought admirably. Brits simply can't claim they defeated Nazi Germany.

As far as the war on terror goes, completely unrelated. You can't compare the two.

We might not have been able to beat the Germans alone 'Sparky', but if we hadn't stayed in the war, (as opposed to making peace with Hitler, invasion was impossible, see my thread in the History section) you would definately be speaking either German, Italian, or Russian.
There would have been no liberation of Continental Europe without the UK, except possibly by the Soviets, if you could call that 'liberation'.
In any case, Churchill fought hard to keep Greece from going to the Communists, if Churchill hadn't successfully persuaded Stalin to let us have a free hand in allowing us to help crush the communists in Greece, you would probably have spent most of the 20th century living under a Stalinist dictatorship, assuming you wouldn't like that sort of thing in your country.......


Thanks for the admission Thundertaker, that's all I was after. No need for the history lesson. I'm keenly aware of Churchill's efforts to Keep the commies from taking over Greece thanks.

[SpartanPhalanx]

Limey Boosk wrote: Quote: In any case, Churchill fought hard to keep Greece from going to the Communists, if Churchill hadn't successfully persuaded Stalin to let us have a free hand in allowing us to help crush the communists in Greece, you would probably have spent most of the 20th century living under a Stalinist dictatorship, assuming you wouldn't like that sort of thing in your country.......

Another person saved by the fine efforts of Britain. Bringing justice and freedom to the planet.

Do we get any thanks? NOPE!

Oh get off yer high horse buddy. look back to where I started responding to you. You said Britain freed the world from Hitler and I said that is factually incorrect. End of story. stop whining.

[Snake]

Limey Boosk wrote: Joint effort. But Britain displayed the most morals. We didn't wait for Hitler to attack us like America who slept until Pearl Harbor when Germany declared war ON THEM, or the Russians who thought they had a deal with the third Reich. LOL, where did the british get their weapons to fight Germany? Oh, yeah, I suppose you forgot about the lend-lease agreement. Britain would have been crushed if not for the Americans and their support, so don't give us any bullsh*t about morals.

[thundertaker]

Kamel wrote: Limey Boosk wrote: Joint effort. But Britain displayed the most morals. We didn't wait for Hitler to attack us like America who slept until Pearl Harbor when Germany declared war ON THEM, or the Russians who thought they had a deal with the third Reich. LOL, where did the british get their weapons to fight Germany? Oh, yeah, I suppose you forgot about the lend-lease agreement. Britain would have been crushed if not for the Americans and their support, so don't give us any bullsh*t about morals.

Britain would not have been able to take the offensive without the Americans. However, Britain would not have been 'crushed' The Germans simply didn't have the naval or air resources to successfully invade and occupy Britain. Worst case scenario would have involved a negotiated peace with Hitler leaving him with a free hand to wage war in Russia and much of the continent occupied by the axis. Hitler didn't even want to fight Britain, he wanted them to stop fighting so he could concentrate on his real enemies, the Bolshevik 'Untermensch' in the East, a task which he even hoped to persuade Britain to join him with in a grand anti-communist alliance.
Some historians argue it would have been better for the British national interest to ally with Hitler against Stalin. To be honest, it's difficult to know if it was the right thing to do. Both were just as murderous and wicked as each other........

[SpartanPhalanx]

Limey Boosk wrote: Quote: Brits simply can't claim they defeated Nazi Germany.



Joint effort. But Britain displayed the most morals. We didn't wait for Hitler to attack us like America who slept until Pearl Harbor when Germany declared war ON THEM, or the Russians who thought they had a deal with the third Reich.

A large slice of the battles involved Brits, so we can say we defeated Nazi Germany.
Thanks for the Olympics Greek Boy! Maybe you may come back and do something interesting and/or moral for the first time in 2000 years besides winning the Euro championship.

For now just ride in HMS Britannia's wake with your hairy french friends.

You really should pay attention to yourself. You are tripping over your contradictions my friend. You would have been nowhere without the Americans to support you with material and logistics after they entered the war. No Americans, No D-Day, that's the cold hard truth. You can't claim "Joint effort" and "large slice of battles involved Brits, therefore we defeated Nazi Germany" because it makes no sense now does it Einstein?

As for the Greeks, we were an advanced civilization while you were still swinging from tree to tree, so you can put that comment where the sun don't shine. I really don't know where you're coming from regarding your "morals" analogy. If you consider Britain being Bush's lapdog as any sort of great British "moral" approach you must be living on Mars.

[lilwolf]

[thundertaker]

lilwolf wrote:

A come on, that's not fair. It's more like 135 years......... :twisted:

[asainspace]

datura wrote: maxtsu wrote: Limey Boosk wrote: Does anyone still listen to what France has to say.

Its just a nation full of poofs, muslims and the bloke off Green Card.

:?

They are about as useful as the popes balls.
Glad to see your bring interesting arguments to the table.

Yes, about as usefull as that Island in the West of Europe, the 51st state.

The one with its own currency, own language and that modenised the rest of the world with the industrial revolution before saving France from NAZI ways?

What the hell are you on about?

Our language is influenced by many other languages, including French, so to criticise French is only to criticise your own. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

So, we modernised the world on the back of empire, genocide, exploitation and the disgusting period in our time when we enslaved other human beings. I saddened to read another Englishman come out with such crap.

And it was not only us that beat the Germans. If I remember rightly Aussies, Kiwi's, South Africans, Indians, West Indians, Americans, Russians, French, Dutch, Polish, Canadian, Chinese, Pakistani's and many, many, many other nationalities all fought to defeat Facism in those dark times and everyone's part was equally important.

Even the Battle of Britain which many see as the turning point in the war, when Hitler was forced to invade Russia with us still holding out was not only down to us. Polish, Americans and many other nationalities volunteered to fly our aircraft and battle the Luftwaffe.

No single nation or person can take the claim, but we have to all accept that the Soviet Union was the nation that bore the mightiest brunt of the war.

[asainspace]

maxtsu wrote: datura wrote: maxtsu wrote: Limey Boosk wrote: Does anyone still listen to what France has to say.

Its just a nation full of poofs, muslims and the bloke off Green Card.

:?

They are about as useful as the popes balls.
Glad to see your bring interesting arguments to the table.

Yes, about as usefull as that Island in the West of Europe, the 51st state.

The one with its own currency, own language and that modenised the rest of the world with the industrial revolution before saving France from NAZI ways?
own currency?...and? ...so what? only matters if it is worth something.
own language...woop-a-dee-doo! congratulations..please take 10 points for observation.
NAZI ways?..oh dear..what is it about the english and the war? hasn't John Cleese taught you anything about the war yet?

What is it about the english, they always need someone to look down at.

Only those that still see the empire in a romantic light, or secretly wish it was still around.

Empire is evil in my opinion, no matter how you dress it up and for people in my nation to still be blabbering about empire when it only led to death, suffering and slavery is incredibly sick.

The empire is dead, devolution will finally destroy that most sickening of sights.......The Union Jack, emblem of superiority and exploitation across the world.

Capitalism may have fired development that continues today, but like empire it has a habit of enslaving and rendering people dependent too much upon it. True freedom is not possible in a Capitalist state and it will not allow you to break away, no matter what those who disagree may say.

[asainspace]

thundertaker wrote: Kamel wrote: Limey Boosk wrote: Joint effort. But Britain displayed the most morals. We didn't wait for Hitler to attack us like America who slept until Pearl Harbor when Germany declared war ON THEM, or the Russians who thought they had a deal with the third Reich. LOL, where did the british get their weapons to fight Germany? Oh, yeah, I suppose you forgot about the lend-lease agreement. Britain would have been crushed if not for the Americans and their support, so don't give us any bullsh*t about morals.

Britain would not have been able to take the offensive without the Americans. However, Britain would not have been 'crushed' The Germans simply didn't have the naval or air resources to successfully invade and occupy Britain. Worst case scenario would have involved a negotiated peace with Hitler leaving him with a free hand to wage war in Russia and much of the continent occupied by the axis. Hitler didn't even want to fight Britain, he wanted them to stop fighting so he could concentrate on his real enemies, the Bolshevik 'Untermensch' in the East, a task which he even hoped to persuade Britain to join him with in a grand anti-communist alliance.
Some historians argue it would have been better for the British national interest to ally with Hitler against Stalin. To be honest, it's difficult to know if it was the right thing to do. Both were just as murderous and wicked as each other........

Absolutely. Both Stalin and Hitler reigned over totalitarian states that between them killed millions, yet Germany is forever labelled the bad guy.

Churchill made it quite clear to America the threat of Russia and that our big invasion should have been through the soft underbelly of Europe, but Roosevelt had too much trust for his dictator friend. Let's just say, if Churchill had of got his way, Europe would have been totally different and maybe the Cold War would never have happened.

[Limey Boosk]

Greece :lol:

France :lol:

Anyone heard of the Greek Empire or the French Empire?

Nope.

Anyone heard of the British Empire, the biggest Empire there ever was which spat out America, New Zealand and Australia?

Why do people even attempt argueing with us British when we are obviously the best most upstanding moral people in the world.

[Limey Boosk]

Quote: LOL, where did the british get their weapons to fight Germany? Oh, yeah, I suppose you forgot about the lend-lease agreement. Britain would have been crushed if not for the Americans and their support, so don't give us any bullsh*t about morals.

Britain would joined with Germany. Then they would have jointly squashed America and terminated half its people.

...but Britain went for the harder option and fought alone until 1942 when the chicken yanks got off their backsides because Germany declared war on them.

Jeez, why are we always fighting wars for America. Its like when the Brits ran the french out of America. Americans would be speaking French if it wasn't for us, then two hundred years later, they would have been speaking German.

A thank you would be nice Tex?

[Limey Boosk]

Quote: As for the Greeks, we were an advanced civilization while you were still swinging from tree to tree, so you can put that comment where the sun don't shine.

Like you say, you WERE an advanced civilization. Now you are a nation of oiley barmen who beat up women and have daft tashes.

Ever hear of the industrial revolution and the British advances in science?

Once again... :lol: Greece

[Limey Boosk]

Quote: So, we modernised the world on the back of empire, genocide, exploitation and the disgusting period in our time when we enslaved other human beings. I saddened to read another Englishman come out with such crap.



The Glory days. They should bring them days back. Britain would still be great if it wasn't for cross-dressers like yourself.