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[puffin]

Anyone ever see, on TV years ago, the experiment where hundreds of mouse traps were set and a ping pong ball was placed on each one in a high school gym?
Then one ball was dropped and the chain reaction that happened was quite interesting. Within a few seconds hundreds of traps and balls were flying everywhere. Well at this moment in the world there are hundreds of potential traps about to go off. No need to list them here. A seemingly minor incident in some obscure part of the world is going to set off a chain reaction that will be as unstopable as all those mouse traps and balls. The world is literally sitting on a powder keg.
I'm no 'doom and gloomer' ordinarily but looking at what's happening all over the world I'd guess life as we know it could end within a few years.
It's only going to take one little ball to drop and the sad part is no one can stop it.

[00timh]

puffin wrote: Anyone ever see, on TV years ago, the experiment where hundreds of mouse traps were set and a ping pong ball was placed on each one in a high school gym?
Then one ball was dropped and the chain reaction that happened was quite interesting. Within a few seconds hundreds of traps and balls were flying everywhere. Well at this moment in the world there are hundreds of potential traps about to go off. No need to list them here. A seemingly minor incident in some obscure part of the world is going to set off a chain reaction that will be as unstopable as all those mouse traps and balls. The world is literally sitting on a powder keg.
I'm no 'doom and gloomer' ordinarily but looking at what's happening all over the world I'd guess life as we know it could end within a few years.
It's only going to take one little ball to drop and the sad part is no one can stop it. exactly wtf are you talking about?

[lilwolf]

puffin wrote: Anyone ever see, on TV years ago, the experiment where hundreds of mouse traps were set and a ping pong ball was placed on each one in a high school gym?
Then one ball was dropped and the chain reaction that happened was quite interesting. Within a few seconds hundreds of traps and balls were flying everywhere. Well at this moment in the world there are hundreds of potential traps about to go off. No need to list them here. A seemingly minor incident in some obscure part of the world is going to set off a chain reaction that will be as unstopable as all those mouse traps and balls. The world is literally sitting on a powder keg.
I'm no 'doom and gloomer' ordinarily but looking at what's happening all over the world I'd guess life as we know it could end within a few years.
It's only going to take one little ball to drop and the sad part is no one can stop it.


That is also called the domino effect. There are enough idiots in the world right now running nations that all it is going to take is one ping pong ball to set it all off.
I am not much of a doomy person ,because I believe in staying alive and I will, but there are always going to be those that just tuck it and choose to give up.
Quitting and giving up is for losers in the end.
Personally I have no fear of death and I figure it to be nothnig more than a cross from this side (grade school) over to the other side (jr. high) and a new beginning.
While I respect it I do not fear it.

[puffin]

OOtimhi,
What am I talking about?
Are you 'loaded' or what?
If you're not capable of understanding my thread that's your problem..
Everyone else on the planet does.

[Fido]

puffin wrote: Anyone ever see, on TV years ago, the experiment where hundreds of mouse traps were set and a ping pong ball was placed on each one in a high school gym?
Then one ball was dropped and the chain reaction that happened was quite interesting. Within a few seconds hundreds of traps and balls were flying everywhere. Well at this moment in the world there are hundreds of potential traps about to go off. No need to list them here. A seemingly minor incident in some obscure part of the world is going to set off a chain reaction that will be as unstopable as all those mouse traps and balls. The world is literally sitting on a powder keg.
I'm no 'doom and gloomer' ordinarily but looking at what's happening all over the world I'd guess life as we know it could end within a few years.
It's only going to take one little ball to drop and the sad part is no one can stop it.

This is just like the story of the school kids and the land mines, except the survivors found out the landmines were made in America, and were part of one of our largest exports, which was war and death, and they held a grudge, and got together with other maimed people trying to deliver a nuclear device into the heart of my favorite U.S. city, as a form of communication.
People know about it. After 911, the church was packed, and the Priest by way of noting that the chickens may have come home to roost pointed out that we have not signed the chemical weapons ban, or the landmine treaty, and mentioned the great number of billions we make every year on the export of weapons. Shame on him. Some of our good Christians went to the bishop, and made him apologize in public the very next week. If we give no home to truth we better keep the bed made for war.

[00timh]

puffin wrote: OOtimhi,
What am I talking about?
Are you 'loaded' or what?
If you're not capable of understanding my thread that's your problem..
Everyone else on the planet does. Are you talking about war, nuclear armegeddon, economic collapse, the breakdown of government? ping pong balls could mean just abut anything to me.

[puffin]

That's right OO-,I think you are finally getting it. Everything you said and add famine. disease, anarchy, mob rule, you name it it's right around the nearest corner from you.
A series of small events around the world will combine and spread like a wild fire across the globe. If you can imagine Rywanda multiplyed a million times in every corner of the world then you will have a clear idea of what's coming.
Why? Because there is only a waffer-thin veneer of 'societal 'morays' barely covering most humans behavior wherever they are. Take that away because of war/starvation/fear/anger and you are left with humans who long longer are willing to behave like 'humans'. They are basically in a 'survival of the fittest mode'. That's whats next.
One example: The millions of Kims zombies in NK are basically starving. If enough people there were to say "wait a minute why are we starving and the West is eating rib eyes evey night?" If KIM sees too much of that happening and feels threatened in any way what's he going to do? Simple. Get on the radio (the only radios allowed in NK are sold with only one station on it. If you are caught with any other radio you are executed publically) and tell his zomby millions that SK is hoarding food and they must invade and then they will have all the 'gruel' they can eat. What then?
The end of the world. Do you think the West will sit around and send nasty letters from the UN to Kim? That's right.
All it will take is one spark and then BOOM the world as we know it will never be the same.

[00timh]

puffin wrote: That's right OO-,I think you are finally getting it. Everything you said and add famine. disease, anarchy, mob rule, you name it it's right around the nearest corner from you.
A series of small events around the world will combine and spread like a wild fire across the globe. If you can imagine Rywanda multiplyed a million times in every corner of the world then you will have a clear idea of what's coming.
Why? Because there is only a waffer-thin veneer of 'societal 'morays' barely covering most humans behavior wherever they are. Take that away because of war/starvation/fear/anger and you are left with humans who long longer are willing to behave like 'humans'. They are basically in a 'survival of the fittest mode'. That's whats next.
One example: The millions of Kims zombies in NK are basically starving. If enough people there were to say "wait a minute why are we starving and the West is eating rib eyes evey night?" If KIM sees too much of that happening and feels threatened in any way what's he going to do? Simple. Get on the radio (the only radios allowed in NK are sold with only one station on it. If you are caught with any other radio you are executed publically) and tell his zomby millions that SK is hoarding food and they must invade and then they will have all the 'gruel' they can eat. What then?
The end of the world. Do you think the West will sit around and send nasty letters from the UN to Kim? That's right.
All it will take is one spark and then BOOM the world as we know it will never be the same. Personally I do not believe in this scenario being so close to fruition. We have come to the brink on numerous occasions and sanity always seems to prevail.

[puffin]

I'm not sure the word "fruition" quite fits but anyway, I am curious to see some examples of when we've "come to the brink----------------and sanity has prevailed". The world has never been in a situation were countries ruled by insane people are aggressively pursuing nuclear weapons when the declared goal is to wipe another country off the earth. Then there's NK. Allowing Kim to develope nukes is like handing a mental patient the keys to a fully armed Abrams tank. It's completely crazy and it's not going to happen.

[TwinkieDP]

00timh wrote:
exactly wtf are you talking about? Dont worry about puffin. He sounds like some teenager with nothing better to do than be a "doom-gloomer", worrying about armageddon and the end of the world. I'd suggest Prozac for him/her....

[TwinkieDP]

puffin wrote: I'm not sure the word "fruition" quite fits but anyway, I am curious to see some examples of when we've "come to the brink----------------and sanity has prevailed". The world has never been in a situation were countries ruled by insane people are aggressively pursuing nuclear weapons when the declared goal is to wipe another country off the earth. Then there's NK. Allowing Kim to develope nukes is like handing a mental patient the keys to a fully armed Abrams tank. It's completely crazy and it's not going to happen. NK is no where near creating a missile that that will land anywhere in Continental U.S. even if he does have nukes. The U.S. will not invade Iran, because France will become the mediator in the current war of words. China and U.S. will not go to war over Taiwan. MOst nations in the world support the One-China stance, Chen Shui Ban will ousted, and there will be no more talk of Taiwan Independence...

Sleep tight little one...

[puffin]

LOVE your name "Twinkie" dear oh dear. LOL

We'll see what happens in the next couple of years.

NK is getting ready to test a nuke as we speak.

Then what will be the reaction in the region? SK will restart their nuke program quaranteed and the US will certainly be helping.
Japan can have a nuke in within a year. They just need to flick a few switches.
Then what?
Does anyone in their right mind believe SK and Japan are going to allow Kim to threaten them? Not bloody likely!
One blink, one word and that region will drag the rest of the world into armagedon.
Kim doesn't understand he will not be allowed to continue any farther once he tests a nuke.

[Fido]

puffin wrote: That's right OO-,I think you are finally getting it. Everything you said and add famine. disease, anarchy, mob rule, you name it it's right around the nearest corner from you.
A series of small events around the world will combine and spread like a wild fire across the globe. If you can imagine Rywanda multiplyed a million times in every corner of the world then you will have a clear idea of what's coming.
Why? Because there is only a waffer-thin veneer of 'societal 'morays' barely covering most humans behavior wherever they are. Take that away because of war/starvation/fear/anger and you are left with humans who long longer are willing to behave like 'humans'. They are basically in a 'survival of the fittest mode'. That's whats next.
One example: The millions of Kims zombies in NK are basically starving. If enough people there were to say "wait a minute why are we starving and the West is eating rib eyes evey night?" If KIM sees too much of that happening and feels threatened in any way what's he going to do? Simple. Get on the radio (the only radios allowed in NK are sold with only one station on it. If you are caught with any other radio you are executed publically) and tell his zomby millions that SK is hoarding food and they must invade and then they will have all the 'gruel' they can eat. What then?
The end of the world. Do you think the West will sit around and send nasty letters from the UN to Kim? That's right.
All it will take is one spark and then BOOM the world as we know it will never be the same.

I think you are way too pessimistic. You do not understand the economic stresses people are under, but to remove that would almost bring about peace by itself. We may like the idea of selling death to both sides. Dead men never demand their rights. If they can kill each other for us we can have it all.

Democracy of a popular sort is a lot like mob rule, and when that comes about, exploitative minorities often suffer in excess of the damage they do. Should we deny democracy only because it gives people a chance to settle old scores? Better give them justice first, and if that is not democracy, then give them democracy second.

We suffer under the illusion that this war on terror can be won, and that by victory we can avoid all the necessity of relating to those we defeat. We feel we may never have to answer their concerns, and never give them the justice honor demands. We are bringing annihilation to our door.
But the change required of government is fully as easy as a change of mind. People change their minds all the time, usually about small things; seldom for things as large as ones government. If it is incapable of changing. If its illusions make it blind to insight. If it has no self restraint, and sees no difference between diplomacy, or destruction; then it can be replaced.

People build the edifices of government to impress the weak minded with their permanence. They are done, and the only question remaining is whether they will take this people with them. We have built the bomb, and some day everyone will get it. It is too late to think we can rule the world without the moral authority to rule ourselves. It is time for peace on earth and good will. We have grown beyond war, and only the desperate and governments desperate for emollients cannot see it.

Again, you should not be pessimistic. One of the most powerful men in our government is right now stuck in the same traffic as the least.
They are both looking for a change, and for meaning in their lives. Show them some sense and they might catch it on their own. More of the same does not help anyone. Its hard to see the future looking left or right. Encourage people to look right down the middle. The most for the most, and then improve.

[puffin]

Fido,
Must be some pretty good 'sh*t eh?
You have just waisted some band width.
I'm not being pessimistic. I wish it is as simple as that.
The moment NK tests that nuke the world will change.
Do you really believe the West is simply going to sit around with their thumbs in their bums?
Do you think Japan will allow Kim to have a nuke without having one themselves? Never in a million years!

[lilwolf]

TwinkieDP wrote: puffin wrote: I'm not sure the word "fruition" quite fits but anyway, I am curious to see some examples of when we've "come to the brink----------------and sanity has prevailed". The world has never been in a situation were countries ruled by insane people are aggressively pursuing nuclear weapons when the declared goal is to wipe another country off the earth. Then there's NK. Allowing Kim to develope nukes is like handing a mental patient the keys to a fully armed Abrams tank. It's completely crazy and it's not going to happen. NK is no where near creating a missile that that will land anywhere in Continental U.S. even if he does have nukes. The U.S. will not invade Iran, because France will become the mediator in the current war of words. China and U.S. will not go to war over Taiwan. MOst nations in the world support the One-China stance, Chen Shui Ban will ousted, and there will be no more talk of Taiwan Independence...

Sleep tight little one...



Wanna make a wager on their missles:

http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/NK/index_1667.html

In 1998, the North test-fired a three-stage Taepodong-1 rocket that landed in the Pacific Ocean with a range of 1,600-2,200 kilometers. The Pentagon believes the North is developing an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), or the 6,000 km-range Taepodong-2 which could reach Alaska, Hawaii and possibly California.

About a year ago, former Japanese foreign minister Taro Nakayama, citing a U.S. document, told visiting South Korean lawmakers that the last piece of a missile warhead test-fired by North Korea was found in the U.S. state of Alaska. The testimony was included in a March 2003 report to the National Assembly.

Experts say the IRBM developed last year is a different type of missile from Rodong or Taepodong, but poses evenly serious threats to the U.S., which has been pushing for the so-called missile defense system.

``The deployment of 4,000 km-range missiles would not be an immediate threat for ROK-U.S. combined posture,¡¯¡¯ Rep. Park Jin of the opposition Grand National Party told The Korea Times. ``From a long-term perspective, however, it will certainly be affecting the U.S. missile defense programs.¡¯¡¯

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200405/kt2004050416201810160.htm



Gives you an idea here photos are below this and the link.

This missile, also known as Scud-E, was also named after its test-launch site - Taepo village of North Hamgyung Province’s Myungchun region, Hago district (currently Musudanri village of the Hwadae region). The most noted point about this missile is that it is the first of the DPRK’s missiles to utilize multi-stage rocket propulsion, indicating that the DPRK’s missile capabilities have reached an entirely new level. The 1st stage rocket engine is that of the ‘Rodong 1’, while the 2nd stage rocket is that of the Scud-C. With the Taepodong, the DPRK acquired the capability to hit the U.S. mainland, a factor that has become a major concern in connection with its nuclear weapons program. On the 31st of August, 1998, the DPRK test-launched the missile without any prior notice, internationally confirming its existence. The 1st stage rocket landed in seas south of Vladivostok, while the 2nd stage rocket propelled the missile over Japan and into the Pacific Ocean at an altitude of 65km. This event profoundly shocked Japan, and has served as a justification for Tokyo to accelerate its adoption of a missile defense system. On the 4th of September, 1998, the DPRK announced that the projectile launched was in fact the satellite ‘Gwangmyung-sung 1’. However, there is no evidence to date that a DPRK satellite is in orbit, and there have been no transmissions between DPRK stations and any known satellite. Therefore, it is unlikely that the projectile launched was a satellite. Regardless of whether the projectile was a missile or satellite that failed to reach orbital altitudes, had it been equipped with a nuclear warhead, it would have been a de facto ICBM. This consideration alone is cause enough for the international community’s concern





http://world.kbs.co.kr/english/event/nkorea_nuclear/news_04b.htm#

[Fido]

puffin wrote: Fido,
Must be some pretty good 'sh*t eh?
You have just waisted some band width.
I'm not being pessimistic. I wish it is as simple as that.
The moment NK tests that nuke the world will change.
Do you really believe the West is simply going to sit around with their thumbs in their bums?
Do you think Japan will allow Kim to have a nuke without having one themselves? Never in a million years!

So what? The world changes all the time. Get on top and ride the wave. You can't steer the ship from inside the life boat.

Listen up! If you want some sanity in this world, start with yourself. Quoting Bob Dylan, paraphrasing Mark testifying to Jesus said: Before you can heal the sick you must first forgive them. So they're crazy. So general madness is in charge. What is the alternative to no one talking? Blind obedience to the will of the United States? People want our respect, and recognition. If we would rather see the world turned into a battle field than give others a little respect and a howdy do; then we deserve to be scrubbed off the pages of history.
There is room for all, but if the only way we can relate to people internationally is nose to nose; then that is what we got until the bottom changes the top. Sure, I hope we all don't die in the process. I have a lot of life riding on the decisions of idiots. But to quote Vonnegut: one does what one can. Spoon the flies out of your cereal and enjoy your meal.

[puffin]

Fido,
You are living in a fantasy world. Fifty five years ago you would have been postulating 'what's the big deal with Hitler'?
There are people who, may I suggest, have a lot 'firmer grip' on the facts on the ground ie. NK, than you do. Go on dreaming about what Dylan et al say about how to deal with life.
Kim has lived his life with no concern for the consequences of his actions. He is unstable and his neighbors know he is capable of doing anything. The nuclear threat to the US isn't the problem. Kim doesn't give a sh*t where a medium range rocket lands or on which neighbor. He'll just launch one figuring that then the US will the then fear him. He's that insane. If SK or Japan or the US does anything in response he'll go on his radio station and tell his half-starved zombies that NK is being invaded and they must all invade SK. Then the entire world will be dragged into a war of Kims creation.
If you think the people of Tiawan will ever give up their dream of independance just because the leadership changes you need to give your head and God knows what's inside it a shake.
What planet are you living on? I know for a "FACT" it's not this one.

[melchizedek22]

puffin wrote: Anyone ever see, on TV years ago, the experiment where hundreds of mouse traps were set and a ping pong ball was placed on each one in a high school gym?
Then one ball was dropped and the chain reaction that happened was quite interesting. Within a few seconds hundreds of traps and balls were flying everywhere. Well at this moment in the world there are hundreds of potential traps about to go off. No need to list them here. A seemingly minor incident in some obscure part of the world is going to set off a chain reaction that will be as unstopable as all those mouse traps and balls. The world is literally sitting on a powder keg.
I'm no 'doom and gloomer' ordinarily but looking at what's happening all over the world I'd guess life as we know it could end within a few years.
It's only going to take one little ball to drop and the sad part is no one can stop it.

something like the assasination of the Arch-Duke

[puffin]

Exactly. Coincidently the guys who bumped off poor Ferdinand were members of a Serbian terrorist group named 'The Black Hand'.
IF some terrible event should occur to Irans president 'Tom' that would be enough to start armagedon.
IF Kims hands were to fall off from too much fondling of eight year old girls that could start armagedon.