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[Patriot911]

Norrin Radd wrote: I did not start this thread.

I did not claim that this information "proved" anything.

What this information shows is that there is just another "coincidence" that the government refuses to come clean about.

You back the government on almost every issue, so I can only hope the next innocent person killed by the government will be someone you love, as it is what you deserve. Then maybe you won't be such an establishment cheerleader and maybe you will stop using stupid smilies in every single one of your childish posts.

Wow. Not so nice personal attack. When you start wishing me or others I love dead, that is stepping across the line. Do it again and it will be reported. In the mean time, thanks for showing everyone just what kind of ***** you are.

You can't debate the issue so you constantly resort to nothing but personal attacks. While I am not innocent in the personal attack department, I at least have substance behind my posts.

As it is, a coincidence doesn't imply guilt as you so ignorantly assert. How could the government come clean? The best they could do is say there is no connection between Ashcroft's threat assessment and 9/11, but would an anti-government shrill such as yourself believe it? Nope. You're too busy trying to come up with lameassed connections that don't exist to ever take a step back and realize just how stupid your theories are when you look at the theory in it's entirety. ;-)

As for smilies..... :moon:

[Norrin Radd]

Patriot911 wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: I did not start this thread.

I did not claim that this information "proved" anything.

What this information shows is that there is just another "coincidence" that the government refuses to come clean about.

You back the government on almost every issue, so I can only hope the next innocent person killed by the government will be someone you love, as it is what you deserve. Then maybe you won't be such an establishment cheerleader and maybe you will stop using stupid smilies in every single one of your childish posts.

Wow. Not so nice personal attack. When you start wishing me or others I love dead, that is stepping across the line. Do it again and it will be reported. In the mean time, thanks for showing everyone just what kind of ***** you are.

You can't debate the issue so you constantly resort to nothing but personal attacks. While I am not innocent in the personal attack department, I at least have substance behind my posts.

As it is, a coincidence doesn't imply guilt as you so ignorantly assert. How could the government come clean? The best they could do is say there is no connection between Ashcroft's threat assessment and 9/11, but would an anti-government shrill such as yourself believe it? Nope. You're too busy trying to come up with lameassed connections that don't exist to ever take a step back and realize just how stupid your theories are when you look at the theory in it's entirety. ;-)

As for smilies..... :moon:

Anyone who doesn't care about the past crimes of the government, who doesn't care about the innocent Americans who have been killed by our own government and their families and those who have been harmed by our government, doesn't deserve any respect.

You prove you do not care about any of these crimes by constantly defending the government on every issue.

You claim there is no connection, but here you are assuming, since the government has never admitted what the threat was.

Why won't the government admit what the threat was?

Why won't the government declassify the videos from the building that surrounded the Murrah building?

Why won't the government declassify all documents related to human testing?

Why won't the government declassify all documents related to Pearl Harbor?

You support a government that has kiled it's own citizens and has not punished a single person for these deaths.

You support a government that has tested on millions of Americans.

You support a government that has lied so many times it is impossible to even keep track of all the lies.

You support a government that granted immunity and paid money to the docotrs who tortured civilains for Japan before and during WWII.

You support a government which has helped ruthless scumbags murder thousands of innocent civilians throughout the world.

You support a government which has helped others commit countless atrocities, one of the worst being in East Timor.

You support dirty, stinking traitors who have killed innocent Americans so why shouldn't their next victim be you, or someone you care about?

People like you do not deserve to be an American and you do nto deserve freedom. You are a bootlicking, government stooge and if any of the founding fathers were able to meet you, they would be disgusted by you, just as I am.

It is because of people like you that our government has gotten away with killing it's own people without a single person being punished for these crimes.


People like you are the true enemy to freedom, liberty, justice and the truth.

[Patriot911]

Norrin Radd wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: I did not start this thread.

I did not claim that this information "proved" anything.

What this information shows is that there is just another "coincidence" that the government refuses to come clean about.

You back the government on almost every issue, so I can only hope the next innocent person killed by the government will be someone you love, as it is what you deserve. Then maybe you won't be such an establishment cheerleader and maybe you will stop using stupid smilies in every single one of your childish posts.

Wow. Not so nice personal attack. When you start wishing me or others I love dead, that is stepping across the line. Do it again and it will be reported. In the mean time, thanks for showing everyone just what kind of ***** you are.

You can't debate the issue so you constantly resort to nothing but personal attacks. While I am not innocent in the personal attack department, I at least have substance behind my posts.

As it is, a coincidence doesn't imply guilt as you so ignorantly assert. How could the government come clean? The best they could do is say there is no connection between Ashcroft's threat assessment and 9/11, but would an anti-government shrill such as yourself believe it? Nope. You're too busy trying to come up with lameassed connections that don't exist to ever take a step back and realize just how stupid your theories are when you look at the theory in it's entirety. ;-)

As for smilies..... :moon:

Anyone who doesn't care about the past crimes of the government, who doesn't care about the innocent Americans who have been killed by our own government and their families and those who have been harmed by our government, doesn't deserve any respect.

You prove you do not care about any of these crimes by constantly defending the government on every issue.

Wrong. I debunk the BS you and the other conspiracy theoriest try and shove down everyone's throats. You really shouldn't exaggerate like that. Makes you look like a fool. Well, that and a lot of other things you post. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: You claim there is no connection, but here you are assuming, since the government has never admitted what the threat was.
The difference between us is that I don't automatically assume guilt like you do. See, here in America we believe in the rule of innocent until proven guilty. You wish to automatically assume everyone on your **** is automatically guilty of everything you can imagine.

Norrin Radd wrote: Why won't the government admit what the threat was?
Who knows? Who cares? The only people who have a hardon for finding out what the threat was are the same people who wouldn't believe any answer the government responded with unless it fit your twisted agenda.

Norrin Radd wrote: Why won't the government declassify the videos from the building that surrounded the Murrah building?
I don't know. How does this justify you automatically assuming the threat against Ashcroft was tied with 9/11?

And you STILL haven't responded how the government could be behind 9/11 and STILL post a related threat assessment against Ashcroft. Why wouldn't they just make sure he wasn't on one of the hijacked flights? You want to convince everyone the big bad government was behind 9/11 yet you are stupid enough to push conspiracies that flat out disprove the main 9/11 conspiracy if it were true. :roll: Ignorance personified.

Norrin Radd wrote: Why won't the government declassify all documents related to human testing?
They could release everything they had and you still wouldn't be satisfied. Your agenda is quite obvious and transparent.

Norrin Radd wrote: Why won't the government declassify all documents related to Pearl Harbor?
They could release everything they had and you still wouldn't be satisfied. Your agenda is quite obvious and transparent.

Norrin Radd wrote: You support a government that has kiled it's own citizens and has not punished a single person for these deaths.
Why are you still here in America then? Go somewhere like Cuba or North Korea or the Middle East where you can see what a truly evil government is like.

Listen to this carefully. There is no such thing as a perfect government. There isn't a government on this planet now or any time in the past that hasn't killed it's own citizens for any one of a number of different reasons.

Norrin Radd wrote: You support a government that has tested on millions of Americans.
I won't accept your conspiracy theories as fact. I prefer to deal with the known facts.

Norrin Radd wrote: You support a government that has lied so many times it is impossible to even keep track of all the lies.
Yet you support conspiracy sites that lie to you on a constant basis even when they are caught. So whats your point? I support our government. I don't trust them.

Norrin Radd wrote: You support a government that granted immunity and paid money to the docotrs who tortured civilains for Japan before and during WWII.
Yup. I support the government. Not all their actions. You seem to constantly miss this very important point.

Norrin Radd wrote: You support a government which has helped ruthless scumbags murder thousands of innocent civilians throughout the world.
See my above statements.

Norrin Radd wrote: You support a government which has helped others commit countless atrocities, one of the worst being in East Timor.
Do you always repeat yourself over and over again? ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: You support dirty, stinking traitors who have killed innocent Americans so why shouldn't their next victim be you, or someone you care about?
Because I don't believe your baseless accusations. Sorry, but you and the rest of the conspiracy theory crowd couldn't prove ANYTHING given the theories and the proof you and they have. I refuse to throw away logic and common sense for the warm comfort of just believing the conspiracy theorists. I like to think for myself.

By the way, I warned you about the personal attacks where you wish me or mine dead. I don't make idle threats. You've been reported.

Norrin Radd wrote: People like you do not deserve to be an American and you do nto deserve freedom. You are a bootlicking, government stooge and if any of the founding fathers were able to meet you, they would be disgusted by you, just as I am.
I don't believe any of your other baseless accusations. This is just as ludicrous and baseless. Congrats on your perfect record! ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: It is because of people like you that our government has gotten away with killing it's own people without a single person being punished for these crimes.
Another baseless accusation. If you have proof, go through the courts and have them arrested, tried, convicted and punished. Just sitting here crying like a baby because you can't prove the government is as bad as you claim isn't doing anyone any good.

Norrin Radd wrote: People like you are the true enemy to freedom, liberty, justice and the truth.
Why? Because I support the truth rather than wishing to believe conspiracy theories as fact with zero proof? I don't think so. Because I don't want to chase after ghosts and trust in the likes of Alex Jones? I don't think so. Because your theories don't hold up to the facts? I don't think so.

You want to see the true enemy of freedom, liberty and justice? Look in a mirror. This country isn't perfect but it is the closest anyone has come. It still represents freedom and liberty despite your claims to the contrary. Yet people like you want to tear it down and we the people are just suppose to trust that you know what the fsck you are doing. Sorry, but you're in no position to warrant any kind of trust that you know what you are doing. If you were in charge, thousands or millions of people would be punished or killed due to crimes you perceive they've done but can't prove.

Guess what. Even if you DID manage to bring the government down, you aren't going to be able to install the perfect government. Human nature dictates that bad things are going to be done by people in power. It is a fact of life and one you can't change no matter HOW much you whine about it.

In the mean time.... enjoy the view once again. :moon:

[leftneckredwing]

Norrin Radd wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: Todd D. wrote: The answer to this question is rather simple: He didn't. If you read the article, he stopped flying commercially for BUSINESS purposes. He flew commercially with his wife at least 3 times during the summer of 2001, as has repeatedly been pointed out (and subsequently ignored).

Are you on crack?

There was a "threat assesment" as was well reported.

Business purposes? Unflippingbelievable.

So what's your point? If the government didn't want Ashcroft to be harmed during the terrorist attacks then they would have just made sure he didn't fly on one of the flights hijacked on 9/11. There are constant threats made against the US and members of the government. The fact some threat was made against Ashcroft doesn't mean it is related to the 9/11 conspiracy. Just another example of 9/11 deniers continuing to make extremely tenuous connections that mean nothing and then heralding these bogus connections as proof of a conspiracy. :roll:

Come back when you have proof that the threat against Ashcroft was related to 9/11. Wait. No, don't do that or you'll never come back. ;-)

I can't prove it because only the government can say what the threat was and they refuse to say because they are cowards and traitors.
So you admit you're making assumptions based on no proof other than your own opinion. :roll:

Norrin Radd wrote: They still have information on Pearl harbor that is classified. There is still information on the testing on Americans which is classified. The videos from buildings surrounding the Murrah building are still classified as is the remains from that building. The videos from around the Pentagon are also classified as are moutains of other information, all classiufied by traitors and scumbags protected by people like you.

What do you call a person who supports traitors?

Oh yeah, a traitor.

:lol: Nice personal attack, but completely beside the point. You've just admitted you're basing your entire "conspiracy link" on nothing more than your own opinion and this whole part about a threat assessment proves there was no conspiracy. You're just too stubborn to admit it. Oh well. No new news there. ;-)

I did not start this thread.

I did not claim that this information "proved" anything.

What this information shows is that there is just another "coincidence" that the government refuses to come clean about.

You back the government on almost every issue, so I can only hope the next innocent person killed by the government will be someone you love, as it is what you deserve. Then maybe you won't be such an establishment cheerleader and maybe you will stop using stupid smilies in every single one of your childish posts.

You're WAY over the line when you wish for someone to be killed.

Way over. Even if you think he deserves it, why would you wish it on someone close to him?

Norrin, I don't know what happened to you but this is a new low.

Check your pms.

[Norrin Radd]

leftneckredwing wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: Todd D. wrote: The answer to this question is rather simple: He didn't. If you read the article, he stopped flying commercially for BUSINESS purposes. He flew commercially with his wife at least 3 times during the summer of 2001, as has repeatedly been pointed out (and subsequently ignored).

Are you on crack?

There was a "threat assesment" as was well reported.

Business purposes? Unflippingbelievable.

So what's your point? If the government didn't want Ashcroft to be harmed during the terrorist attacks then they would have just made sure he didn't fly on one of the flights hijacked on 9/11. There are constant threats made against the US and members of the government. The fact some threat was made against Ashcroft doesn't mean it is related to the 9/11 conspiracy. Just another example of 9/11 deniers continuing to make extremely tenuous connections that mean nothing and then heralding these bogus connections as proof of a conspiracy. :roll:

Come back when you have proof that the threat against Ashcroft was related to 9/11. Wait. No, don't do that or you'll never come back. ;-)

I can't prove it because only the government can say what the threat was and they refuse to say because they are cowards and traitors.
So you admit you're making assumptions based on no proof other than your own opinion. :roll:

Norrin Radd wrote: They still have information on Pearl harbor that is classified. There is still information on the testing on Americans which is classified. The videos from buildings surrounding the Murrah building are still classified as is the remains from that building. The videos from around the Pentagon are also classified as are moutains of other information, all classiufied by traitors and scumbags protected by people like you.

What do you call a person who supports traitors?

Oh yeah, a traitor.

:lol: Nice personal attack, but completely beside the point. You've just admitted you're basing your entire "conspiracy link" on nothing more than your own opinion and this whole part about a threat assessment proves there was no conspiracy. You're just too stubborn to admit it. Oh well. No new news there. ;-)

I did not start this thread.

I did not claim that this information "proved" anything.

What this information shows is that there is just another "coincidence" that the government refuses to come clean about.

You back the government on almost every issue, so I can only hope the next innocent person killed by the government will be someone you love, as it is what you deserve. Then maybe you won't be such an establishment cheerleader and maybe you will stop using stupid smilies in every single one of your childish posts.

You're WAY over the line when you wish for someone to be killed.

Way over. Even if you think he deserves it, why would you wish it on someone close to him?

Norrin, I don't know what happened to you but this is a new low.

Check your pms.

What happened to me is that I allowed a bootlicking, government stooge to get under my skin.

[Patriot911]

Truth hurts, doesn't it. Especially when you want to hold on to your theories despite logic, common sense, and the facts.

Lets look at this issue one more time.

You have a "threat assessment" made by the FBI security detail assigned to Ashcroft sometime early 2001 that says he should not fly commercial aircraft for the remainder of his term, which logically would mean until 2004 at a minimum and possibly past that.

This threat assessment was made in accordance with the guidelines of the FBI.

Ashcroft was the only member of Bush's cabinet who was under this threat assessment.

These are the known, undisputed facts.

Now, lets look at the conspiracy theories involved here.

The main conspiracy theory is that the government was behind 9/11.

The secondary conspiracy is that the threat assessment for John Ashcroft proves the conspiracy.

But does it?

If the government was behind 9/11, why would they stop Ashcroft from flying commercially from early 2001 to 2004? Why wouldn't they just make sure he wasn't on flight 175, 11, 93 or 77 and be done with it instead of risking exposure?

Better yet, why wasn't Ashcroft in on the conspiracy? Wouldn't you need someone at the level of Ashcroft to control all the various arms of the justice department in support of the conspiracy?

So you see, if you want to insist Ashcroft's "threat assessment" is proof of a conspiracy, you're actually disproving the whole conspiracy theory. It always boggles my mind that conspiracy theorists expect us to believe this whole HUGE convoluted conspiracy was executed PERFECTLY by the government without any real proof of their culpability being found, yet were stupid enough to slip up in all the various ways that conspiracy theorists like to call "coincidences". :roll:

The best you can hope for is to convince people this is proof that the government knew before 9/11 that something was up. Unfortunately for conspiracy theorists, even THAT doesn't hold up to examination.

Why was Ashcroft the only one who was under this threat assessment restriction? Why not Rice, Powell, or anyone else Bush relied on in his cabinet? They all continued to fly commercial aircraft while Ashcroft flew private aircraft.

Lots of claims of conspiracy but nothing but fluff in trying to prove any kind of link. Sure you can claim the government isn't "coming clean", but that is really just a copout excuse for not thinking through your theory enough to realize your theory would only come back to bite you.

[Norrin Radd]

Patriot911 wrote: Truth hurts, doesn't it. Especially when you want to hold on to your theories despite logic, common sense, and the facts.

Lets look at this issue one more time.

You have a "threat assessment" made by the FBI security detail assigned to Ashcroft sometime early 2001 that says he should not fly commercial aircraft for the remainder of his term, which logically would mean until 2004 at a minimum and possibly past that.

This threat assessment was made in accordance with the guidelines of the FBI.

Ashcroft was the only member of Bush's cabinet who was under this threat assessment.

These are the known, undisputed facts.

Now, lets look at the conspiracy theories involved here.

The main conspiracy theory is that the government was behind 9/11.

The secondary conspiracy is that the threat assessment for John Ashcroft proves the conspiracy.

But does it?

If the government was behind 9/11, why would they stop Ashcroft from flying commercially from early 2001 to 2004? Why wouldn't they just make sure he wasn't on flight 175, 11, 93 or 77 and be done with it instead of risking exposure?

Better yet, why wasn't Ashcroft in on the conspiracy? Wouldn't you need someone at the level of Ashcroft to control all the various arms of the justice department in support of the conspiracy?

So you see, if you want to insist Ashcroft's "threat assessment" is proof of a conspiracy, you're actually disproving the whole conspiracy theory. It always boggles my mind that conspiracy theorists expect us to believe this whole HUGE convoluted conspiracy was executed PERFECTLY by the government without any real proof of their culpability being found, yet were stupid enough to slip up in all the various ways that conspiracy theorists like to call "coincidences". :roll:

The best you can hope for is to convince people this is proof that the government knew before 9/11 that something was up. Unfortunately for conspiracy theorists, even THAT doesn't hold up to examination.

Why was Ashcroft the only one who was under this threat assessment restriction? Why not Rice, Powell, or anyone else Bush relied on in his cabinet? They all continued to fly commercial aircraft while Ashcroft flew private aircraft.

Lots of claims of conspiracy but nothing but fluff in trying to prove any kind of link. Sure you can claim the government isn't "coming clean", but that is really just a copout excuse for not thinking through your theory enough to realize your theory would only come back to bite you.

After this post, I will have nothing more to say to you. I asked you repeatedly to stop replying to my posts, as you are one of the most closed minded people I have ever met.

It is not the truth that hurts, since we do not know the truth, as the government has classified the truth and only releases it 40-50 years later.

How long did it take to declassify the McCollum memo?

How long has it taken to declassify documents on human experimentation?

Do you really think that 40-50 years from now there will nto be documents declassified which speak of government wrong doing that is occurring now?

It is common sense, something you seem to lack.

You talk a good game. You are an expert at spinning lies and using illogical arguments. You are very good at asking the wrong questions also, like the questions about Ashcroft not flying particular planes. If you had a clue you would know that most conspiracy theorists believe that the US government didn't plan 9/11, but looked the other way, that they took actions which helped the attack to happen, not necessarily knowing the exact details, much like the attack on Pearl was allowed to happen, even though the exact time and day "might" not have been known.

If I am allowed to continue posting here, I am going to have to put you on ignore again.

You can claim I am running away, or whatever makes you feel good about yourself, but the truth is your closed mindedness drives me crazy. Not to mention your backing of the establishment on almost every single issue.

I only wish that every single American had lost a loved one to government wrong doing, as this seems to be the only way to get the people to care about a government which has killed it's own citizens. Because of people like you our government has gotten away with killing it's own citizens, all because of uncaring, closed minded, establishment cheerleaders like you and not a single person has ever been brought to justice for thewse crimes.

[Patriot911]

Norrin Radd wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Truth hurts, doesn't it. Especially when you want to hold on to your theories despite logic, common sense, and the facts.

Lets look at this issue one more time.

You have a "threat assessment" made by the FBI security detail assigned to Ashcroft sometime early 2001 that says he should not fly commercial aircraft for the remainder of his term, which logically would mean until 2004 at a minimum and possibly past that.

This threat assessment was made in accordance with the guidelines of the FBI.

Ashcroft was the only member of Bush's cabinet who was under this threat assessment.

These are the known, undisputed facts.

Now, lets look at the conspiracy theories involved here.

The main conspiracy theory is that the government was behind 9/11.

The secondary conspiracy is that the threat assessment for John Ashcroft proves the conspiracy.

But does it?

If the government was behind 9/11, why would they stop Ashcroft from flying commercially from early 2001 to 2004? Why wouldn't they just make sure he wasn't on flight 175, 11, 93 or 77 and be done with it instead of risking exposure?

Better yet, why wasn't Ashcroft in on the conspiracy? Wouldn't you need someone at the level of Ashcroft to control all the various arms of the justice department in support of the conspiracy?

So you see, if you want to insist Ashcroft's "threat assessment" is proof of a conspiracy, you're actually disproving the whole conspiracy theory. It always boggles my mind that conspiracy theorists expect us to believe this whole HUGE convoluted conspiracy was executed PERFECTLY by the government without any real proof of their culpability being found, yet were stupid enough to slip up in all the various ways that conspiracy theorists like to call "coincidences". :roll:

The best you can hope for is to convince people this is proof that the government knew before 9/11 that something was up. Unfortunately for conspiracy theorists, even THAT doesn't hold up to examination.

Why was Ashcroft the only one who was under this threat assessment restriction? Why not Rice, Powell, or anyone else Bush relied on in his cabinet? They all continued to fly commercial aircraft while Ashcroft flew private aircraft.

Lots of claims of conspiracy but nothing but fluff in trying to prove any kind of link. Sure you can claim the government isn't "coming clean", but that is really just a copout excuse for not thinking through your theory enough to realize your theory would only come back to bite you.

After this post, I will have nothing more to say to you. I asked you repeatedly to stop replying to my posts, as you are one of the most closed minded people I have ever met.

Promises promises. I know it must hurt to debate someone who uses the facts and logic against you and trips you up. I understand.

It still boggles my mind that your ego is so huge that you actually believe you can order people around on an Internet forum. I am not the only one I've seen you whine about not listening to your demands as to what to post or answer to. :lol:

Norrin Radd wrote: It is not the truth that hurts, since we do not know the truth, as the government has classified the truth and only releases it 40-50 years later.
The truth in this instance isn't what the threat was, but whether or not the threat was tied to some big conspiracy involving 9/11. I've already shown conclusively that in trying to insist that the "threat assessment" was tied to 9/11 is counterproductive in that it disproves far more than it proves if you actually look at it with an open mind. Unfortunately for you, you have theory fixation. Once you think you know what is what, you never look back. Pretty ironic considering you whine about others being "close minded". ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: How long did it take to declassify the McCollum memo?
The McCollum memo doesn't prove anything. You like to wave it around like it conclusively proves pre-knowlege of the events of December 7, but it doesn't. Does it raise questions? Yes. Does it prove anything? No.

Norrin Radd wrote: How long has it taken to declassify documents on human experimentation?
And this proves the threat assessment to Ashcroft was linked to 9/11 how? Going around claiming A is connected to B because of the unrelated connection of C to D is (and this is the NICEST way I can put it) STUPID!

Norrin Radd wrote: Do you really think that 40-50 years from now there will nto be documents declassified which speak of government wrong doing that is occurring now?
If you ever bothered to read what I write, you would see that I have repeatedly stated that

A> I believe the government made mistakes
B> We don't know the extent of these mistakes yet
C> We will eventually find out

Unfortunately for you, I don't swallow the BS that the government was behind it. You insist on using examples that disprove the government's involvement and don't have the brains to realize just how foolish your dogged determination is making you look. It does make for entertaining reading, however. :lol:

Norrin Radd wrote: It is common sense, something you seem to lack.
Yet you can't seem to be able to refute a single one of my points. You point at things that have been done in the past or you "think" have been done in the past but haven't been proven and try to convince everyone that this proves what has happened in the here and now. That isn't common sense. That is pure foolishness.

How about explaining away the HUGE discrepancies I pointed out above? Should be common sense, right? You've made the claim. Lets see you back up your boasts and insults with actual common sense.

Norrin Radd wrote: You talk a good game. You are an expert at spinning lies and using illogical arguments. You are very good at asking the wrong questions also, like the questions about Ashcroft not flying particular planes. If you had a clue you would know that most conspiracy theorists believe that the US government didn't plan 9/11, but looked the other way, that they took actions which helped the attack to happen, not necessarily knowing the exact details, much like the attack on Pearl was allowed to happen, even though the exact time and day "might" not have been known.
Wow. So much bulls**t in such a short paragraph. Most conspiracy theorists don't believe the government was behind 9/11? :rofl: Hell, your own posts point out that you think the government was behind it. You claim the conspiracy theorists don't believe the government was behind 9/11, yet when you look at the conspiracy theories, they don't revolve around the government having an idea and turning a blind eye, but actively flying globalhawks into the pentagon and planting explosives all over the place.

Honestly, Norrin.... do you actually expect anyone to actually BELIEVE your BS statement that conspiracy theorists don't believe the government was directly behind 9/11? I've seen you make some doozy bogus claims before, but I think this one is the most outrageous yet!

Tell me.... if I am so good at spinning lies and using illogical arguments, why can't someone of your obviously overinflated genius debate these points, much less refute them? I show the mistakes in the conspiracy theories and people like you run away crying that I am spinning, lying and using illogical arguments without refuting a thing.

Why? Because the conspiracy theories are all based on lies and lies can't stand the light of logic, truth and common sense. While you like to strut around only claiming you have common sense et. al., I actually prove I have common sense by debunking your theories.

Norrin Radd wrote: If I am allowed to continue posting here, I am going to have to put you on ignore again.
Feel free. Just don't expect me to ignore you. I will continue to debunk your theories whenever I see the flaws in them. Count on it. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: You can claim I am running away, or whatever makes you feel good about yourself, but the truth is your closed mindedness drives me crazy. Not to mention your backing of the establishment on almost every single issue.
Yeah. We've seen just how "open minded" you are. :rofl: Closed tighter than a frog's sphincter would be my description.

Norrin Radd wrote: I only wish that every single American had lost a loved one to government wrong doing, as this seems to be the only way to get the people to care about a government which has killed it's own citizens. Because of people like you our government has gotten away with killing it's own citizens, all because of uncaring, closed minded, establishment cheerleaders like you and not a single person has ever been brought to justice for thewse crimes.
Wow. Once again you prove just how out of touch with reality you are. You have UNPROVEN theories, yet wish to kill millions of people just to prove your point. Sick man. Very very sick.

I don't think I've ever seen someone so doggedly convinced that he is right that he would wish this on anyone, much less every single American.

As for people not being brought to justice, thankfully we don't allow people like you to be in charge of the justice system. The judicial system doesn't convict people based on suspicion and paranoia. You have zero proof of your claims, yet are totally convinced to the point of absolute commitment. Absolutely amazing. Sad too.

Attitudes like yours is what causes the great tragedies in human history. The absolute conviction that you know what is going on to the point where you are willing to kill millions to show the rest of us what you "know". Hitler had it with the Jews. Pol Pot, Stalin, and many others believed in your methods of convincing people when the people don't believe what the "enlightened" "know". They couldn't convince people through words, so wished harm upon those who didn't believe. Unfortunately for humanity they were in a power to do something about this self perceived injustice. Thankfully you are not.

[Norrin Radd]

Patriot911 wrote: [
As for people not being brought to justice, thankfully we don't allow people like you to be in charge of the justice system. The judicial system doesn't convict people based on suspicion and paranoia. You have zero proof of your claims, yet are totally convinced to the point of absolute commitment. Absolutely amazing. Sad too.

Attitudes like yours is what causes the great tragedies in human history. The absolute conviction that you know what is going on to the point where you are willing to kill millions to show the rest of us what you "know". Hitler had it with the Jews. Pol Pot, Stalin, and many others believed in your methods of convincing people when the people don't believe what the "enlightened" "know". They couldn't convince people through words, so wished harm upon those who didn't believe. Unfortunately for humanity they were in a power to do something about this self perceived injustice. Thankfully you are not.

I do not wish to kill anyone, nor am I willing to take any action resulting in any deaths.

What I said was that sometimes I wish every family in America lost a loved one to government wrong doing so that people would care.

The government has admitted to killing people and testing on people, yet you say I have zero proof.

Just more evidence that you don't even know what crimes our government has admitted to.

You say the McCollum memo doesn't prove anything,b ut it proves intent to get Japan to attack us.

If there was nothing damaging about the McCollum memo, then it wouldn't have been classified for 40 years.

It's interesting that you bring up Pol Pot, as the US helped him solidify his power. Why didn't you mention Suharto and East Timor, where the US helped kill 100,000 people.

For a well written short piece on Pol Pot, see.........

http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/hermansept97.htm

The US has helped many of the worst scumbags into power. Who was Time Magazines man of the year in 1938?

Who was Time magazines man of the year in 1939?

Why did Smedley Butler almost get court-martialed. Hint, he had the audacity to tell the truth about the scumbag Mussolini, even though at the time the US still supported the scumbag.

Wm. E. Dodd wrote FDR's advisor Col. House asking him why there were over 100 US corporations helping to build the NAZI war machine back in 1937. Ambassador Dodd also wrote the truth about how US corporations helped put fascism into power in both Italy and Germany, yet little was ever done about these scumbags who helped create the conditions necessary to start WWII and kill hundreds of thousands of Americans, as well as millions of others. The US government looked the other way as US corporations helped build our enemies war machines.

STALIN was TIME magazine man of the year not just in 1939, but also in 1942, but governemnt stooges don't seem to care that the US was still supporting this fascist scumbag until it could no longer be hidden that he was evil.

Eleanor Roosevelt wrote that FDR's appointed American Ambassador to Italy, Breckenridge Long, had been "rhapsodizing about the achievements of Mussolini's new 'corporate state'" saying:

"Italy today is the most interesting experiment in government to come above the horizon since the formulation of the Constitution 150 years ago. [Mussolini] is one of the most remarkable persons . . . And they are doing a unique work in an original manner, so I am enjoying it all."

In 1931 Major General Smedley Butler publicly relayed a story about Mussolini, apparently told to him by Cornelius Vanderbilt Jr., in which Mr. Vanderbilt was riding with Mussolini and Mussolini hit a child with his car but kept on going and refused to stop. Butler's public telling of the story caused international outrage and Butler was then arrested, court-martialed by Secretary of War Stimson and told to apologize to Mussolini. Butler refused, deciding instead to retire. Nevertheless this illustrates the degree to which Mussolini and fascism were respected in America at the time.

In 1934 the American State Department proclaimed that the 99% victory of the Fascist Party in Italian elections "demonstrate incontestably the popularity of the Fascist regime."

The State Department, as late as 1937, praised Italian Fascism stating that it "brought order out of chaos, discipline out of license, and solvency out of bankruptcy." The State Department continued to embrace fascism because of its anti-Communist position. Italy and Germany were being "made safe" by the fascists for American investment, and this is what was important in economic terms, especially during the Great Depression in America.

William E. Dodd, the US Ambassador to Germany, gave important insight into German and American economic alliances. He wrote of the situation in general that:

"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. "

"Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there."
- William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/rise_of_american_fascism.htm

So, why didn't you mention MAO TSE TUNG?

What was it that David Rockefeller said about Mao?

oh yeah, he said.........

According to a report released by The Senate Judiciary Committee, the Chinese Communists murdered between 34 and 64 million Chinese prior to 1971. [21] Shortly after returning from a trip to China in 1973, David Rockefeller wrote a glowing report on the social experiment he had witnessed:

"One is impressed immediately by the sense of national harmony . . . . There is a very real and pervasive dedication to Chairman Mao and Maoist principles. Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded . . . . The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in history." [22]

To David Rockefeller, the brutal murder and enslavement of the Chinese people was a "social experiment" . . . that was both . . . "important and successful."

You know David Rockefeller don't you? In 1964, David Rockefeller was president of the Chase Manhattan Bank, and chairman of the board of the Council on Foreign Relations.

http://www.radioliberty.com/nldec99.htm

In 1973 David Rockefeller formed the Trialteral Commission. You know, the group that had all three presidential candidates from 1980 as members.

1973 Trilateral Commission organized by David Rockefeller.

11 Jun 1993 The Washington Times reports: "Presidential counsellor David Gergen resigned yesterday from the all-male Bohemian Club, three days after saying he would not run around naked at its annual Bohemian Grove encampment and insisting he would not quit. White House spokeswoman Dee Dee Myers announced the resignation along with Mr. Gergen's departure from 17 other interest groups, charities and public boards ranging from the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group and Council on Foreign Relations."

For mor eon the Bohemian Grove see this piece from FAIR.....

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1489

THERE IS SO MUCH MORE. In fact, you would have a tough time finding any ruthless scumbags who did not have the support of the US at some point in their career. The US has aided almost every murdering scumbag who has ever ruled a country.

You claim to post the truth, but you do not. You rarely ever post the truth, posting only half truths, lies and spin.

The truth is that the US government has aided in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in the last 100 years and has even killed it's own citizens.

This has been admitted to and if you had a flipping clue you would already know this.

For a good piece on Suharto and Kissinger see...........

FORD, KISSINGER AND THE INDONESIAN INVASION, 1975-76

Ford and Kissinger Gave Green Light to
Indonesia's Invasion of East Timor, 1975:
New Documents Detail Conversations with Suharto

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 62
Edited by William Burr and Michael L. Evans

December 6, 2001

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB62/

By 1980 the occupation had left more than 100,000 dead from military action, starvation or disease, with some estimates running as high as 230,000.(18)


The US was partially responsible for the deaths of 100,000-230,000 Timorese.

This was just one single incident. There are hundreds more, but people like you continue to support the government that has killed and helped kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.

Sickening.

[Patriot911]

More blathering, yet you still failed to address the initial points. Remember? You said I was spinning and lying etc. etc., yet you can't point out the lies or the fault in my logic. Funny how you can only cut and paste your well rehersed BS about crimes of the past. Doesn't prove dick, but you still trot it out whenever you can.

Oh, and I would still love to see you attempt to back up your assertion that the majority of conspiracy theorists believe the government WASN'T behind 9/11 and just turned a blind eye to what was going on. Alex Jones is going to be SOOOOOO pissed at you. :lol:

[Norrin Radd]

Patriot911 wrote: More blathering, yet you still failed to address the initial points. Remember? You said I was spinning and lying etc. etc., yet you can't point out the lies or the fault in my logic. Funny how you can only cut and paste your well rehersed BS about crimes of the past. Doesn't prove dick, but you still trot it out whenever you can.

Oh, and I would still love to see you attempt to back up your assertion that the majority of conspiracy theorists believe the government WASN'T behind 9/11 and just turned a blind eye to what was going on. Alex Jones is going to be SOOOOOO pissed at you. :lol:

Look, I no longer care what you think.

I never said the fact that ASHCROFT STOPPED FLYING PROVED ANYTHING.

What I would like to know is what was the f***ing threat.

Why won't the government tell us what the threat waS?

What are they hiding?

Whyt won't they relaease all the videos related to the OKC bombing and the Pentagon attack?

The only logical explanation for the suppression of this evidence is that the government has something to hide.

How long did it take for the government to come clean about East Timor?

answer: 25 years

How long did it take for the government to admit the Gulf of Tonkin event was basically a lie?

How long did it take the US to admit our role in the 1953 coup in Iran?

The government has admitte dto many lies and coverups in the past, but yet you do not believe that any of what they currently tell us is a lie.

All of a sudden our government became honest and no longer lies, or covers up wrong doing.

You just don't get it.

You are not capable of logical thought and your posts prove it.

I will gladly admit that it is possible that our government was not invovled in 911, however..........

.....it is hard for me to trust anything the government tells me since they have a history of lies, deceit and coverups. There are 200 or so coincidences surrounding 911 and although people like you are anxious to dismiss all these coincidences, I have trouble dismissing any evidence considering the track record for government lies, deceit and coverups.

A government that is willing to do testing on it's own people simply can't be trusted.

This is simple logic, but simple logic is lost on you.

[Claudia Schiffer]

Norrin Radd wrote: Patriot911 wrote: More blathering, yet you still failed to address the initial points. Remember? You said I was spinning and lying etc. etc., yet you can't point out the lies or the fault in my logic. Funny how you can only cut and paste your well rehersed BS about crimes of the past. Doesn't prove dick, but you still trot it out whenever you can.

Oh, and I would still love to see you attempt to back up your assertion that the majority of conspiracy theorists believe the government WASN'T behind 9/11 and just turned a blind eye to what was going on. Alex Jones is going to be SOOOOOO pissed at you. :lol:

Look, I no longer care what you think.

I never said the fact that ASHCROFT STOPPED FLYING PROVED ANYTHING.

What I would like to know is what was the f***ing threat.

Why won't the government tell us what the threat waS?

What are they hiding?

Whyt won't they relaease all the videos related to the OKC bombing and the Pentagon attack?

The only logical explanation for the suppression of this evidence is that the government has something to hide.

How long did it take for the government to come clean about East Timor?

answer: 25 years

How long did it take for the government to admit the Gulf of Tonkin event was basically a lie?

How long did it take the US to admit our role in the 1953 coup in Iran?

The government has admitte dto many lies and coverups in the past, but yet you do not believe that any of what they currently tell us is a lie.

All of a sudden our government became honest and no longer lies, or covers up wrong doing.

You just don't get it.

You are not capable of logical thought and your posts prove it.

I will gladly admit that it is possible that our government was not invovled in 911, however..........

.....it is hard for me to trust anything the government tells me since they have a history of lies, deceit and coverups. There are 200 or so coincidences surrounding 911 and although people like you are anxious to dismiss all these coincidences, I have trouble dismissing any evidence considering the track record for government lies, deceit and coverups.

A government that is willing to do testing on it's own people simply can't be trusted.

This is simple logic, but simple logic is lost on you.

You forgot: what happened to JFK's brain? :wink:

Don't worry about the right wing army defending the gov., cause they are the ones who will have to live with that on their conciences, and it wont be fun. + we all know why they spend sooo much time here...

Anyway, i liked your answers, espacialy this last one...so may lies...and that's the ones we know of....

[Norrin Radd]

Claudia Schiffer wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: Patriot911 wrote: More blathering, yet you still failed to address the initial points. Remember? You said I was spinning and lying etc. etc., yet you can't point out the lies or the fault in my logic. Funny how you can only cut and paste your well rehersed BS about crimes of the past. Doesn't prove dick, but you still trot it out whenever you can.

Oh, and I would still love to see you attempt to back up your assertion that the majority of conspiracy theorists believe the government WASN'T behind 9/11 and just turned a blind eye to what was going on. Alex Jones is going to be SOOOOOO pissed at you. :lol:

Look, I no longer care what you think.

I never said the fact that ASHCROFT STOPPED FLYING PROVED ANYTHING.

What I would like to know is what was the f***ing threat.

Why won't the government tell us what the threat waS?

What are they hiding?

Whyt won't they relaease all the videos related to the OKC bombing and the Pentagon attack?

The only logical explanation for the suppression of this evidence is that the government has something to hide.

How long did it take for the government to come clean about East Timor?

answer: 25 years

How long did it take for the government to admit the Gulf of Tonkin event was basically a lie?

How long did it take the US to admit our role in the 1953 coup in Iran?

The government has admitte dto many lies and coverups in the past, but yet you do not believe that any of what they currently tell us is a lie.

All of a sudden our government became honest and no longer lies, or covers up wrong doing.

You just don't get it.

You are not capable of logical thought and your posts prove it.

I will gladly admit that it is possible that our government was not invovled in 911, however..........

.....it is hard for me to trust anything the government tells me since they have a history of lies, deceit and coverups. There are 200 or so coincidences surrounding 911 and although people like you are anxious to dismiss all these coincidences, I have trouble dismissing any evidence considering the track record for government lies, deceit and coverups.

A government that is willing to do testing on it's own people simply can't be trusted.

This is simple logic, but simple logic is lost on you.

You forgot: what happened to JFK's brain? :wink:

Don't worry about the right wing army defending the gov., cause they are the ones who will have to live with that on their conciences, and it wont be fun. + we all know why they spend sooo much time here...

Anyway, i liked your answers, espacialy this last one...so may lies...and that's the ones we know of....

Thanks.

JFK is another topic altogether This one conspiracy helps show what the government is truly capable of.

In 2004 FOX did a poll regarding the Kennedy assasination.

....66 percent of the public today think the assassination was “part of a larger conspiracy” while only 25 percent think it was the “act of one individual.” These new poll results are similar to previous surveys conducted by Louis Harris and Associates in 1967, 1975 and 1981, when about two-thirds also felt the shooting was part of a larger conspiracy.

The FOX News poll, conducted by Opinion Dynamics Corporation (search), also shows that most Americans (74 percent) think there was a cover-up of the facts about the assassination of JFK. Few people (14 percent) think “we know all the facts” and 12 percent are unsure.

74% of the American people believe there was a larger conspiracy regarding the assasination and only 25% believe it was the act of a lone individual.

This proves that at almost 3/4 of the American people believe the government was invovled in a coverup of the assasination of a sitting US president.

If a government is capable of covering up the assasination of it's own president, then what else is it capable of?

ANSWER: ANYTHING

Simple logic.

Anoyone who trusts anything the govenrment says is buried in denial and is simply not capable of logical thought.

[Todd D.]

Norrin Radd wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: Patriot911 wrote: More blathering, yet you still failed to address the initial points. Remember? You said I was spinning and lying etc. etc., yet you can't point out the lies or the fault in my logic. Funny how you can only cut and paste your well rehersed BS about crimes of the past. Doesn't prove dick, but you still trot it out whenever you can.

Oh, and I would still love to see you attempt to back up your assertion that the majority of conspiracy theorists believe the government WASN'T behind 9/11 and just turned a blind eye to what was going on. Alex Jones is going to be SOOOOOO pissed at you. :lol:

Look, I no longer care what you think.

I never said the fact that ASHCROFT STOPPED FLYING PROVED ANYTHING.

What I would like to know is what was the f***ing threat.

Why won't the government tell us what the threat waS?

What are they hiding?

Whyt won't they relaease all the videos related to the OKC bombing and the Pentagon attack?

The only logical explanation for the suppression of this evidence is that the government has something to hide.

How long did it take for the government to come clean about East Timor?

answer: 25 years

How long did it take for the government to admit the Gulf of Tonkin event was basically a lie?

How long did it take the US to admit our role in the 1953 coup in Iran?

The government has admitte dto many lies and coverups in the past, but yet you do not believe that any of what they currently tell us is a lie.

All of a sudden our government became honest and no longer lies, or covers up wrong doing.

You just don't get it.

You are not capable of logical thought and your posts prove it.

I will gladly admit that it is possible that our government was not invovled in 911, however..........

.....it is hard for me to trust anything the government tells me since they have a history of lies, deceit and coverups. There are 200 or so coincidences surrounding 911 and although people like you are anxious to dismiss all these coincidences, I have trouble dismissing any evidence considering the track record for government lies, deceit and coverups.

A government that is willing to do testing on it's own people simply can't be trusted.

This is simple logic, but simple logic is lost on you.

You forgot: what happened to JFK's brain? :wink:

Don't worry about the right wing army defending the gov., cause they are the ones who will have to live with that on their conciences, and it wont be fun. + we all know why they spend sooo much time here...

Anyway, i liked your answers, espacialy this last one...so may lies...and that's the ones we know of....

Thanks.

JFK is another topic altogether This one conspiracy helps show what the government is truly capable of.

In 2004 FOX did a poll regarding the Kennedy assasination.

....66 percent of the public today think the assassination was “part of a larger conspiracy” while only 25 percent think it was the “act of one individual.” These new poll results are similar to previous surveys conducted by Louis Harris and Associates in 1967, 1975 and 1981, when about two-thirds also felt the shooting was part of a larger conspiracy.

The FOX News poll, conducted by Opinion Dynamics Corporation (search), also shows that most Americans (74 percent) think there was a cover-up of the facts about the assassination of JFK. Few people (14 percent) think “we know all the facts” and 12 percent are unsure.

74% of the American people believe there was a larger conspiracy regarding the assasination and only 25% believe it was the act of a lone individual.

This proves that at almost 3/4 of the American people believe the government was invovled in a coverup of the assasination of a sitting US president.

If a government is capable of covering up the assasination of it's own president, then what else is it capable of?

ANSWER: ANYTHING

Simple logic.

If fact and truth were dependent on polling numbers and popular sanction, you might actually have a point. As it stands, 99% of people could think that JFK was assassinated by a super-intelligent monkey, but if it doesn't line up with known events, that poll would be absolutely worthless. Citing polling numbers in something like this is as worthless as citing the figures that say half the country wants to teach Intelligent Design in science classrooms.

[Patriot911]

Norrin Radd wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: Patriot911 wrote: More blathering, yet you still failed to address the initial points. Remember? You said I was spinning and lying etc. etc., yet you can't point out the lies or the fault in my logic. Funny how you can only cut and paste your well rehersed BS about crimes of the past. Doesn't prove dick, but you still trot it out whenever you can.

Oh, and I would still love to see you attempt to back up your assertion that the majority of conspiracy theorists believe the government WASN'T behind 9/11 and just turned a blind eye to what was going on. Alex Jones is going to be SOOOOOO pissed at you. :lol:

Look, I no longer care what you think.

I never said the fact that ASHCROFT STOPPED FLYING PROVED ANYTHING.

What I would like to know is what was the f***ing threat.

Why won't the government tell us what the threat waS?

What are they hiding?

Whyt won't they relaease all the videos related to the OKC bombing and the Pentagon attack?

The only logical explanation for the suppression of this evidence is that the government has something to hide.

How long did it take for the government to come clean about East Timor?

answer: 25 years

How long did it take for the government to admit the Gulf of Tonkin event was basically a lie?

How long did it take the US to admit our role in the 1953 coup in Iran?

The government has admitte dto many lies and coverups in the past, but yet you do not believe that any of what they currently tell us is a lie.

All of a sudden our government became honest and no longer lies, or covers up wrong doing.

You just don't get it.

You are not capable of logical thought and your posts prove it.

I will gladly admit that it is possible that our government was not invovled in 911, however..........

.....it is hard for me to trust anything the government tells me since they have a history of lies, deceit and coverups. There are 200 or so coincidences surrounding 911 and although people like you are anxious to dismiss all these coincidences, I have trouble dismissing any evidence considering the track record for government lies, deceit and coverups.

A government that is willing to do testing on it's own people simply can't be trusted.

This is simple logic, but simple logic is lost on you.

You forgot: what happened to JFK's brain? :wink:

Don't worry about the right wing army defending the gov., cause they are the ones who will have to live with that on their conciences, and it wont be fun. + we all know why they spend sooo much time here...

Anyway, i liked your answers, espacialy this last one...so may lies...and that's the ones we know of....

Thanks.

JFK is another topic altogether This one conspiracy helps show what the government is truly capable of.

In 2004 FOX did a poll regarding the Kennedy assasination.

....66 percent of the public today think the assassination was “part of a larger conspiracy” while only 25 percent think it was the “act of one individual.” These new poll results are similar to previous surveys conducted by Louis Harris and Associates in 1967, 1975 and 1981, when about two-thirds also felt the shooting was part of a larger conspiracy.

The FOX News poll, conducted by Opinion Dynamics Corporation (search), also shows that most Americans (74 percent) think there was a cover-up of the facts about the assassination of JFK. Few people (14 percent) think “we know all the facts” and 12 percent are unsure.

74% of the American people believe there was a larger conspiracy regarding the assasination and only 25% believe it was the act of a lone individual.

This proves that at almost 3/4 of the American people believe the government was invovled in a coverup of the assasination of a sitting US president.

If a government is capable of covering up the assasination of it's own president, then what else is it capable of?

ANSWER: ANYTHING

Simple logic.

Anoyone who trusts anything the govenrment says is buried in denial and is simply not capable of logical thought.

Thank you for proving your lack of common sense by displaying it for everyone to see. 74% believe there was a larger conspiracy and you claim this is proof that they all believe the government did it. WRONG. Once again you assume you know everything while proving you know very little. "Larger conpsiracy" could be ANYTHING including just one more person. There are numerous conspiracy theories out there other than JFK being assassinated by the government, yet you dishonestly try and claim that not only all 74% of them believe the government was responsible but that somehow this PROVES the government was responsible and that this is reason not to trust the government. :roll:

You have a seriously twisted sense of what constitutes proof.

[Patriot911]

Norrin Radd wrote: Patriot911 wrote: More blathering, yet you still failed to address the initial points. Remember? You said I was spinning and lying etc. etc., yet you can't point out the lies or the fault in my logic. Funny how you can only cut and paste your well rehersed BS about crimes of the past. Doesn't prove dick, but you still trot it out whenever you can.

Oh, and I would still love to see you attempt to back up your assertion that the majority of conspiracy theorists believe the government WASN'T behind 9/11 and just turned a blind eye to what was going on. Alex Jones is going to be SOOOOOO pissed at you. :lol:

Look, I no longer care what you think.

I never said the fact that ASHCROFT STOPPED FLYING PROVED ANYTHING.

What I would like to know is what was the f***ing threat.

Why won't the government tell us what the threat waS?

What are they hiding?

Whyt won't they relaease all the videos related to the OKC bombing and the Pentagon attack?

The only logical explanation for the suppression of this evidence is that the government has something to hide.

How long did it take for the government to come clean about East Timor?

answer: 25 years

How long did it take for the government to admit the Gulf of Tonkin event was basically a lie?

How long did it take the US to admit our role in the 1953 coup in Iran?

The government has admitte dto many lies and coverups in the past, but yet you do not believe that any of what they currently tell us is a lie.

All of a sudden our government became honest and no longer lies, or covers up wrong doing.

You just don't get it.

You are not capable of logical thought and your posts prove it.

I will gladly admit that it is possible that our government was not invovled in 911, however..........

.....it is hard for me to trust anything the government tells me since they have a history of lies, deceit and coverups. There are 200 or so coincidences surrounding 911 and although people like you are anxious to dismiss all these coincidences, I have trouble dismissing any evidence considering the track record for government lies, deceit and coverups.

A government that is willing to do testing on it's own people simply can't be trusted.

This is simple logic, but simple logic is lost on you.

Wow. Way to blatantly lie your butt off. You claim repeatedly that I believe everything the government says. Yet I have repeatedly, including several times in this thread, stated that I don't believe the government and believe the government is hiding something. Thank you for showing your incredible dishonesty.

As for not caring what I think.... good for you! I don't care what you think either. I am not writing for you. I am writing for the others who read your garbage to show everyone just how faulty your writing is. I know you won't accept the facts. I know you will continue your paranoia that the government is behind everything bad. I don't care. I just don't want you infecting others with your paranoia.

And once again you run away from the debate.

You want to know what the government is hiding in regards to the threat assessment, but why? I've already shown you why it couldn't be related to 9/11 whether you believe the government was behind 9/11 or just aware of something beforehand. You've consistantly chickened out of responding to my logic proving it wasn't linked.

And you wouldn't believe any reason the government gave you unless it was exactly the answer you wanted. No need to deny it. It is perfectly obvious that this would be your reaction. If anything, any answer they gave you that WASN'T somehow linked to 9/11 would be used by you as "proof" of a cover up. :roll:

[NAB]

I thought handing out the Self-importance trophy would be enough for some, but it looks like they are now bucking for the Lifetime Achievement Award.

What's the max PSI for someone's head when they think they can dictate who should and shouldn't be an American?

[Norrin Radd]

Patriot911 wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: Patriot911 wrote: More blathering, yet you still failed to address the initial points. Remember? You said I was spinning and lying etc. etc., yet you can't point out the lies or the fault in my logic. Funny how you can only cut and paste your well rehersed BS about crimes of the past. Doesn't prove dick, but you still trot it out whenever you can.

Oh, and I would still love to see you attempt to back up your assertion that the majority of conspiracy theorists believe the government WASN'T behind 9/11 and just turned a blind eye to what was going on. Alex Jones is going to be SOOOOOO pissed at you. :lol:

Look, I no longer care what you think.

I never said the fact that ASHCROFT STOPPED FLYING PROVED ANYTHING.

What I would like to know is what was the f***ing threat.

Why won't the government tell us what the threat waS?

What are they hiding?

Whyt won't they relaease all the videos related to the OKC bombing and the Pentagon attack?

The only logical explanation for the suppression of this evidence is that the government has something to hide.

How long did it take for the government to come clean about East Timor?

answer: 25 years

How long did it take for the government to admit the Gulf of Tonkin event was basically a lie?

How long did it take the US to admit our role in the 1953 coup in Iran?

The government has admitte dto many lies and coverups in the past, but yet you do not believe that any of what they currently tell us is a lie.

All of a sudden our government became honest and no longer lies, or covers up wrong doing.

You just don't get it.

You are not capable of logical thought and your posts prove it.

I will gladly admit that it is possible that our government was not invovled in 911, however..........

.....it is hard for me to trust anything the government tells me since they have a history of lies, deceit and coverups. There are 200 or so coincidences surrounding 911 and although people like you are anxious to dismiss all these coincidences, I have trouble dismissing any evidence considering the track record for government lies, deceit and coverups.

A government that is willing to do testing on it's own people simply can't be trusted.

This is simple logic, but simple logic is lost on you.

You forgot: what happened to JFK's brain? :wink:

Don't worry about the right wing army defending the gov., cause they are the ones who will have to live with that on their conciences, and it wont be fun. + we all know why they spend sooo much time here...

Anyway, i liked your answers, espacialy this last one...so may lies...and that's the ones we know of....

Thanks.

JFK is another topic altogether This one conspiracy helps show what the government is truly capable of.

In 2004 FOX did a poll regarding the Kennedy assasination.

....66 percent of the public today think the assassination was “part of a larger conspiracy” while only 25 percent think it was the “act of one individual.” These new poll results are similar to previous surveys conducted by Louis Harris and Associates in 1967, 1975 and 1981, when about two-thirds also felt the shooting was part of a larger conspiracy.

The FOX News poll, conducted by Opinion Dynamics Corporation (search), also shows that most Americans (74 percent) think there was a cover-up of the facts about the assassination of JFK. Few people (14 percent) think “we know all the facts” and 12 percent are unsure.

74% of the American people believe there was a larger conspiracy regarding the assasination and only 25% believe it was the act of a lone individual.

This proves that at almost 3/4 of the American people believe the government was invovled in a coverup of the assasination of a sitting US president.

If a government is capable of covering up the assasination of it's own president, then what else is it capable of?

ANSWER: ANYTHING

Simple logic.

Anoyone who trusts anything the govenrment says is buried in denial and is simply not capable of logical thought.

Thank you for proving your lack of common sense by displaying it for everyone to see. 74% believe there was a larger conspiracy and you claim this is proof that they all believe the government did it. WRONG. Once again you assume you know everything while proving you know very little. "Larger conpsiracy" could be ANYTHING including just one more person. There are numerous conspiracy theories out there other than JFK being assassinated by the government, yet you dishonestly try and claim that not only all 74% of them believe the government was responsible but that somehow this PROVES the government was responsible and that this is reason not to trust the government. :roll:

You have a seriously twisted sense of what constitutes proof.

I didn't say anything about the "government doing it."

Once again you are spinning what I said.

What I posted was........

The FOX News poll, conducted by Opinion Dynamics Corporation (search), also shows that most Americans (74 percent) think there was a cover-up of the facts about the assassination of JFK.

COVER-UP does not mean the government did it, what that means is that the government lied about what really happened.

While I don't use poll numbers very often for anything, in this case, the poll numbers reflect the facts. I have yet to meet a single person who believes the "magic bullet theory."

[Norrin Radd]

Todd D. wrote:

If fact and truth were dependent on polling numbers and popular sanction, you might actually have a point. As it stands, 99% of people could think that JFK was assassinated by a super-intelligent monkey, but if it doesn't line up with known events, that poll would be absolutely worthless. Citing polling numbers in something like this is as worthless as citing the figures that say half the country wants to teach Intelligent Design in science classrooms.

Where are you from? Why don't you list a country in your profile?

Are you ashamed of where you come from?

Are you American? If yes, then you should know that the fidings of the Warren Commission are one of the most ridiculous theories ever presented. The single bullet theory is more preposterous than any of the 911 theories and only a moron would believe such a theory.

In this case, the poll numbers eflect the facts, as it has been long enough that the people see through the obvious lies and know that they were lied to by the government.

[Norrin Radd]

NAB wrote: I thought handing out the Self-importance trophy would be enough for some, but it looks like they are now bucking for the Lifetime Achievement Award.

What's the max PSI for someone's head when they think they can dictate who should and shouldn't be an American?

Have you ever read the 87 page Senae report titled "Is Military Research Hazardous to Veteran's Health"?

Can you tell me about MKULTRA?

Can you tell me about the radiation experiments?

Can you tell me about the aerial dissemination of biological simulants?

Can you tell me how many families the government has compensated for human testing?

Can you tell me how many people are known to have been killed by US government testing?

Do you care about the crimes committed by the US government?

Can you tell me about the covert opeartions of the US government related to Cambodia, Laos, Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua, or East Timor?

Do you care about all of these crimes committed by the US government?

If no, then you do not deserve to be an America.

Period.