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[lilwolf]

Mikate8 wrote: Anti-gunners do fabricate studies, not all, but theyre out there, and we know it, not everybody I guess, just those who know. See, I didn't say everybody lied or everybody knew that people lie, I found the middle, yay for me.

Anti-gunners also lie about their feelings, yes, their feelings and thoughts

Because whenever I ask a British person or whoever is in a country that they arent allowed to have guns, I ask them, "If the military or some other armed group took control of your country and enslaved you all, would you want your guns back?" You know what they tell me?

Thiiiiiissssssss.... "Rubbish, American action movie rubbish" "That won't happen because i'm in my safety bubble"

If Nazis were going to invade England or France again, would you want guns, lots and lots of guns like in America? Would you? Don't skirt the question, i've been frustrated enough. Remember, IF, because the Germans were planning to invade England, if they did would you want lots of guns?


excellent point... :tu:

[evil muppet]

Mikate8 wrote: Anti-gunners do fabricate studies, not all, but theyre out there, and we know it, not everybody I guess, just those who know. See, I didn't say everybody lied or everybody knew that people lie, I found the middle, yay for me.

Anti-gunners also lie about their feelings, yes, their feelings and thoughts

Because whenever I ask a British person or whoever is in a country that they arent allowed to have guns, I ask them, "If the military or some other armed group took control of your country and enslaved you all, would you want your guns back?" You know what they tell me?

Thiiiiiissssssss.... "Rubbish, American action movie rubbish" "That won't happen because i'm in my safety bubble"

If Nazis were going to invade England or France again, would you want guns, lots and lots of guns like in America? Would you? Don't skirt the question, i've been frustrated enough. Remember, IF, because the Germans were planning to invade England, if they did would you want lots of guns?

Funny that you mention that. The British had surrendered a large number of their firearms before WW2. When the British army got their ass handed to them and it looked like Germany would invade, the English did not have enough guns. There was gun drives, like a canned food drive, where people donated guns so they could be quickly shipped over to the UK so they would have something to defend themselves with.

[Mikate8]

Yea a gun drive does sound fun now that you mention it, and not one where you turn in guns and get a movie coupon instead of making lots of cash, I mean where they hand out guns, yea that'd be fun, but only to responsible people.

Its just some people, that hate guns, some, not all, just some, are like, get rid of them all before the invading army gets here so we can be ready and defenseless because IIIIIIIIII like massacres and I dont want to fight for my freedom, I dont wanna, and I dont want other people too, I want them to suffer like me, suuuuuufffffferrrrrr, yay, I wanna get robbed and shot, yes, gimme gimme, mmmmmm, being defenseless tastes sooooooo good, mmmmmmmmmm, MMMMMMMMMMMM

Not all times do I trust the word of the anti-gun arguing person, thats why I need an adult present and they have to be neutral, if everybody had a neutral buddy that was current in all things we would all have quicker and more fun arguments because you'd be certain in your facts

[Lucky Luke]

evil muppet wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: evil muppet wrote: as if we didn't already know that

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?9b2bc608-bf0b-413e-9e0c-e679f1b1f5c4

This is not a link showing pro gun control laws people fabricating studies to support their philosophy, this is an anti gun control laws article telling you that this claim is true Evil Muppet.

I look forward to read your findings on such studies and not other people findings without a shred of evidence to back up their claims.

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what the hell are you talking about?

Show me the study your article is on about, show me the proof Evil Muppet.

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[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: evil muppet wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: evil muppet wrote: as if we didn't already know that

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?9b2bc608-bf0b-413e-9e0c-e679f1b1f5c4

This is not a link showing pro gun control laws people fabricating studies to support their philosophy, this is an anti gun control laws article telling you that this claim is true Evil Muppet.

I look forward to read your findings on such studies and not other people findings without a shred of evidence to back up their claims.

:-D
:-D

what the hell are you talking about?

Show me the study your article is on about, show me the proof Evil Muppet.

:-D
:-D

LL you are dumber than a f***** rock sometimes. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[evil muppet]

Lucky Luke wrote: evil muppet wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: evil muppet wrote: as if we didn't already know that

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?9b2bc608-bf0b-413e-9e0c-e679f1b1f5c4

This is not a link showing pro gun control laws people fabricating studies to support their philosophy, this is an anti gun control laws article telling you that this claim is true Evil Muppet.

I look forward to read your findings on such studies and not other people findings without a shred of evidence to back up their claims.

:-D
:-D

what the hell are you talking about?

Show me the study your article is on about, show me the proof Evil Muppet.

:-D
:-D

It is a column you asswipe. The guy is stating his Goddammed opinion. I agree with his opinion which is why I posted the column. Jesus H Christ, are your parents siblings or something? My God I swear you don't have Brain One.

[britboy]

evil muppet wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: evil muppet wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: evil muppet wrote: as if we didn't already know that

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?9b2bc608-bf0b-413e-9e0c-e679f1b1f5c4

This is not a link showing pro gun control laws people fabricating studies to support their philosophy, this is an anti gun control laws article telling you that this claim is true Evil Muppet.

I look forward to read your findings on such studies and not other people findings without a shred of evidence to back up their claims.

:-D
:-D

what the hell are you talking about?

Show me the study your article is on about, show me the proof Evil Muppet.

:-D
:-D

It is a column you asswipe. The guy is stating his Goddammed opinion. I agree with his opinion which is why I posted the column. Jesus H Christ, are your parents siblings or something? My God I swear you don't have Brain One.

LOL evil muppet has lost it! He's been pulled up on everything he writes here, proven incorrect on virtually everything he has written and his answer is to swear at people! Evil -- please -- think, type, post. That order.

[lilwolf]

britboy wrote: evil muppet wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: evil muppet wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: evil muppet wrote: as if we didn't already know that

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?9b2bc608-bf0b-413e-9e0c-e679f1b1f5c4

This is not a link showing pro gun control laws people fabricating studies to support their philosophy, this is an anti gun control laws article telling you that this claim is true Evil Muppet.

I look forward to read your findings on such studies and not other people findings without a shred of evidence to back up their claims.

:-D
:-D

what the hell are you talking about?

Show me the study your article is on about, show me the proof Evil Muppet.

:-D
:-D

It is a column you asswipe. The guy is stating his Goddammed opinion. I agree with his opinion which is why I posted the column. Jesus H Christ, are your parents siblings or something? My God I swear you don't have Brain One.

LOL evil muppet has lost it! He's been pulled up on everything he writes here, proven incorrect on virtually everything he has written and his answer is to swear at people! Evil -- please -- think, type, post. That order.


You have yet to disprove him at all britboy... Bang bang Lucky Luke has to do the same thing and he to has failed.... :lol:

[evil muppet]

britboy wrote: evil muppet wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: evil muppet wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: evil muppet wrote: as if we didn't already know that

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?9b2bc608-bf0b-413e-9e0c-e679f1b1f5c4

This is not a link showing pro gun control laws people fabricating studies to support their philosophy, this is an anti gun control laws article telling you that this claim is true Evil Muppet.

I look forward to read your findings on such studies and not other people findings without a shred of evidence to back up their claims.

:-D
:-D

what the hell are you talking about?

Show me the study your article is on about, show me the proof Evil Muppet.

:-D
:-D

It is a column you asswipe. The guy is stating his Goddammed opinion. I agree with his opinion which is why I posted the column. Jesus H Christ, are your parents siblings or something? My God I swear you don't have Brain One.

LOL evil muppet has lost it! He's been pulled up on everything he writes here, proven incorrect on virtually everything he has written and his answer is to swear at people! Evil -- please -- think, type, post. That order.

I have a bit of a temper and I sometimes go off on people. Particularly with people that I find to be stupid.

This isn't one of those things that I should prove. It is what it is.

[lilwolf]

He could not see that it was a column and opinion? That's why I said he was dumber than a f****** rock... I saw that in the first 15 seconds.

I do not understand what was so difficult there to see and understand.


Perhaps Bang Bang Lucky Luke will eventually understand. :lol: :lol:

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote:

LL you are dumber than a f***** rock sometimes. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not as dumb as to believe an article without any proof whatsoever that what it is opposing exists.

What pro gun studies is that article on about Lilwolf, do you know?

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[Lucky Luke]

evil muppet wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: evil muppet wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: evil muppet wrote: as if we didn't already know that

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?9b2bc608-bf0b-413e-9e0c-e679f1b1f5c4

This is not a link showing pro gun control laws people fabricating studies to support their philosophy, this is an anti gun control laws article telling you that this claim is true Evil Muppet.

I look forward to read your findings on such studies and not other people findings without a shred of evidence to back up their claims.

:-D
:-D

what the hell are you talking about?

Show me the study your article is on about, show me the proof Evil Muppet.

:-D
:-D

It is a column you asswipe. The guy is stating his Goddammed opinion. I agree with his opinion which is why I posted the column. Jesus H Christ, are your parents siblings or something? My God I swear you don't have Brain One.

The guy is stating his opinion on pro gun control laws people fabricating studies to support their philosophy, how do you know that this guy is not fabricating the studies that he is attacking Evil Muppet?

Give me an example of such studies that you know have been fabricated, you did say that you knew already for this claim to be true, remember?

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[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

LL you are dumber than a f***** rock sometimes. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not as dumb as to believe an article without any proof whatsoever that what it is opposing exists.

What pro gun studies is that article on about Lilwolf, do you know?

:-D
:-D


Can you read LL....sometimes I wonder. :lol: :lol:

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

LL you are dumber than a f***** rock sometimes. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not as dumb as to believe an article without any proof whatsoever that what it is opposing exists.

What pro gun studies is that article on about Lilwolf, do you know?

:-D
:-D


Can you read LL....sometimes I wonder. :lol: :lol:

I can read that there is no link or reference provided in the article in order to back up the numerous wild claims the author is writing.

I have great doubts about the direction that article takes us and anyway I don't assign much weight to articles that have tainted origins.

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[Ardent]

evil muppet wrote: Mikate8 wrote: Anti-gunners do fabricate studies, not all, but theyre out there, and we know it, not everybody I guess, just those who know. See, I didn't say everybody lied or everybody knew that people lie, I found the middle, yay for me.

Anti-gunners also lie about their feelings, yes, their feelings and thoughts

Because whenever I ask a British person or whoever is in a country that they arent allowed to have guns, I ask them, "If the military or some other armed group took control of your country and enslaved you all, would you want your guns back?" You know what they tell me?

Thiiiiiissssssss.... "Rubbish, American action movie rubbish" "That won't happen because i'm in my safety bubble"

If Nazis were going to invade England or France again, would you want guns, lots and lots of guns like in America? Would you? Don't skirt the question, i've been frustrated enough. Remember, IF, because the Germans were planning to invade England, if they did would you want lots of guns?

Funny that you mention that. The British had surrendered a large number of their firearms before WW2. When the British army got their ass handed to them and it looked like Germany would invade, the English did not have enough guns. There was gun drives, like a canned food drive, where people donated guns so they could be quickly shipped over to the UK so they would have something to defend themselves with.

Britain's WW2 Home Defences were recently
the subject of a Documentary Series.

http://www.diverse.tv/programme.aspx?id=110

Britain had massive defences, anti-tank trenches
straddled the length and breadth of Britain.

A system of elite Home Defence Units were put
together alongside a very capable Home Guard.

The pill box and defences can still be seen to this
day, there was one box every so many hundred
metres across Britain. They were made of reinforced
concrete with gun slits, they were spaced so that the
whole area was covered.

In later War Games at Sandhurst with the Germans
who were considering invading Britain, it was proved
that such a move would have been disastrous for the
Germans as there army would have been cut off by
the massive forces assembled across the trenches
of Southern England and the Royal Navy (the most
powerful Navy in the world at the time). The German
Army would have been cut off with out supplies, whilst
the German Navy would have been unable to match
the far superior Royal Navy.

The German Airforce had already received a stark
warning during 'The Battle of Britain' and Hitler
quickly abandoned plans for the invasion of Britain,
deciding instead to concentrate on the equally disastrous
Eastern Front Campaign.

Britain fought from 1939, and it wasn't unti nearly 1942
that America actually joined the war.

Pillboxes and bunkers are still to be found across Britain,
and the sheer scale of Britains Home Defence Network
was awe inspiring.

Some 30,000 Gun pillboxes were built (like the one pictured),
thousands of miles of anti-tank trenches were dug, guerilla warfare
squads were set up and bomb shelters constructed. Within the first
month of the Home Guard being formed 750,000 men had joined
and the Home Guard quickly became a force of 1.8 million men
with a further 50,000 men manning anti-aircraft gun inplacements.



7000 pillboxes have stood the test of time and remain as a
historic symbol of events gone-by.



I suggest you obtain a copy of the Documentary
and perhaps then you will be a little less critical
of past events.

[evil muppet]

Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture
by Michael Bellesiles

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20021125/editors2

This individual fabricated records in order to support the thesis of his book.

[evil muppet]

Fact still remains. Your government in an attempt to deal with the Irish problem. [serious black eye for your country] passed a bunch of draconian gun control laws. Because your army got its ass kicked they had to abandon all their weapons in France.

Suddenly you were faced with the threat of invasion and had little means of defending yourselves. A few Americans were kind enough to have their guns shipped over to England so you all could defend yourselves. The NRA sent over something like 120,000 weapons.


Ardent wrote:
Britain's WW2 Home Defences were recently
the subject of a Documentary Series.

http://www.diverse.tv/programme.aspx?id=110

Britain had massive defences, anti-tank trenches
straddled the length and breadth of Britain.

A system of elite Home Defence Units were put
together alongside a very capable Home Guard.

The pill box and defences can still be seen to this
day, there was one box every so many hundred
metres across Britain. They were made of reinforced
concrete with gun slits, they were spaced so that the
whole area was covered.

In later War Games at Sandhurst with the Germans
who were considering invading Britain, it was proved
that such a move would have been disastrous for the
Germans as there army would have been cut off by
the massive forces assembled across the trenches
of Southern England and the Royal Navy (the most
powerful Navy in the world at the time). The German
Army would have been cut off with out supplies, whilst
the German Navy would have been unable to match
the far superior Royal Navy.

The German Airforce had already received a stark
warning during 'The Battle of Britain' and Hitler
quickly abandoned plans for the invasion of Britain,
deciding instead to concentrate on the equally disastrous
Eastern Front Campaign.

Britain fought from 1939, and it wasn't unti nearly 1942
that America actually joined the war.

Pillboxes and bunkers are still to be found across Britain,
and the sheer scale of Britains Home Defence Network
was awe inspiring.

Some 30,000 Gun pillboxes were built (like the one pictured),
thousands of miles of anti-tank trenches were dug, guerilla warfare
squads were set up and bomb shelters constructed. Within the first
month of the Home Guard being formed 750,000 men had joined
and the Home Guard quickly became a force of 1.8 million men
with a further 50,000 men manning anti-aircraft gun inplacements.

7000 pillboxes have stood the test of time and remain as a
historic symbol of events gone-by.



I suggest you obtain a copy of the Documentary
and perhaps then you will be a little less critical
of past events.

[Ardent]

evil muppet wrote: Fact still remains. Your government in an attempt to deal with the Irish problem. [serious black eye for your country] passed a bunch of draconian gun control laws. Because your army got its ass kicked they had to abandon all their weapons in France.

Suddenly you were faced with the threat of invasion and had little means of defending yourselves. A few Americans were kind enough to have their guns shipped over to England so you all could defend yourselves. The NRA sent over something like 120,000 weapons.


Ardent wrote:
Britain's WW2 Home Defences were recently
the subject of a Documentary Series.

http://www.diverse.tv/programme.aspx?id=110

Britain had massive defences, anti-tank trenches
straddled the length and breadth of Britain.

A system of elite Home Defence Units were put
together alongside a very capable Home Guard.

The pill box and defences can still be seen to this
day, there was one box every so many hundred
metres across Britain. They were made of reinforced
concrete with gun slits, they were spaced so that the
whole area was covered.

In later War Games at Sandhurst with the Germans
who were considering invading Britain, it was proved
that such a move would have been disastrous for the
Germans as there army would have been cut off by
the massive forces assembled across the trenches
of Southern England and the Royal Navy (the most
powerful Navy in the world at the time). The German
Army would have been cut off with out supplies, whilst
the German Navy would have been unable to match
the far superior Royal Navy.

The German Airforce had already received a stark
warning during 'The Battle of Britain' and Hitler
quickly abandoned plans for the invasion of Britain,
deciding instead to concentrate on the equally disastrous
Eastern Front Campaign.

Britain fought from 1939, and it wasn't unti nearly 1942
that America actually joined the war.

Pillboxes and bunkers are still to be found across Britain,
and the sheer scale of Britains Home Defence Network
was awe inspiring.

Some 30,000 Gun pillboxes were built (like the one pictured),
thousands of miles of anti-tank trenches were dug, guerilla warfare
squads were set up and bomb shelters constructed. Within the first
month of the Home Guard being formed 750,000 men had joined
and the Home Guard quickly became a force of 1.8 million men
with a further 50,000 men manning anti-aircraft gun inplacements.

7000 pillboxes have stood the test of time and remain as a
historic symbol of events gone-by.



I suggest you obtain a copy of the Documentary
and perhaps then you will be a little less critical
of past events.

My family were Irish, like many others in England
and drocanian gun laws had nothing to do with the
Irish. Southern Ireland gained independence in
1920 and not 1939, and Ulster was not a major
problem until the late 1960's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Ireland_Act_1920

As for black eyes, I seem to remember the
Americans got their ass kicked well
and truely in Vietnam, have got a serious bloody
nose from Al Quada and things are not going well
in terms of the war on terror.

Guns were legal to carry as a form of self defence
until 1946, and there was no law forcing any one to
hand guns in during World War 2. The NRA may well
have sent guns over, but so to would the one billion
members of the British Empire, which covered over
a third of the world and had a third of the worlds
population. (2 Billion in todays terms).

The Empire stood by us from 1939, America didn't
enter the war until nearly 1942, and they certainly
didn't win the war all by themselves.

Again I suggest you watch the documentary.

[evil muppet]

Yeah. We should have just left you all on your own. THe US shouldn't have been involved in Europe anyways.

[Ardent]

evil muppet wrote: Yeah. We should have just left you all on your own. THe US shouldn't have been involved in Europe anyways.

Yes thats right and you shouldn't have been
involved in Vietnam or Iraq. :roll:

In fact it shouldn't be involved in Europe now,
so take your bases and go. :lol:

Btw the British Expeditionary Force Evacuated from
Dunkirk was onl 330,000 strong, less than one tenth
of the force defending France. The total force was
heavily outnumbered by the Germans.