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puffin



Joined: 24 Jun 2006
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:22 pm    Post subject:  

Just in: Fox cable news is saying US satellites are showing activity at the nuclear test site at Punygee-yook in the north east portion of NK.
As usual all the UN wants to do is send Kim a 'nasty' letter. Not this time.
If Kim does test a nuke the US WILL bomb the facilties of that there is no doubt. Forget about responding with "but if they did that ten million lives will be lost".
The first nuke to hit NK will be right on top of Kim. He is trying to bluff the West but the little nut-bar pedophil doesn't understand he's about to cross 'the Rubicon' and as we all know there's never ever any going back then. (For those who haven't a clue what that means Google it.)
All the 'hot spots' around the world right now remind me of the scene in the movie 'OK Corral" when everyone has their guns drawn and someone winks at someone else and the bullets fly. Well that's just about where the world is right now.
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lilwolf



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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject:  

Kasey aka Kyle wrote: lilwolf wrote:


Hey .... BS and you only have 5 posts. I would think that with your hostile attitude you will not be around for very long. You really nned an attitude check.

Now.... we are not going to disarm and that is the way it stands. If you really don't like it in this nation go to someplace that you might like, if they'll have you.
Good grief..... Newbies that are rude and come in here like they own the place are about as interesting as a turd in a punch bowl... :td:

Wow I expect your the haven of maturity right? You respond to an intelligent comment, by creating manipulative fabrication? It shows how much arrogance, you have behind you, when someone says something based on their perspective theres no reason to become defensive, and act like a child. I wasn't personally attacking you or anything although I don't politically agree with you, that doesn't mean you have to put me under indictment. Seriously though who replies to someone by using profanity, in a mature conversation? Oh by the way are you, using your reputation as a frequent instigater of intelligence, as a way to try and act like your on a different level then me? You see thats what Hitler did, he lived through arrogance, and when he couldn't think of an intellectually correct way to respond to someone, he used their reputation and heritage as a scapegoat. If you are really so clever as to say you've posted more times then me, then what exactly are you proving? A mentally-handicapped person can do something thousands of times and never get any better, then a prodigy can do something a few times and perfect it. You see its unfair to base current debates on irrelevant, past debates, so you've said stupid things more than I have congratulations... Oh how did you like my analogy of a mentally handicapped individual and yourself? Much more mature and descriptive then you comparing me to an inanimate object such as a "turd." Next time you reply, don't reply with incoherent hostility, have some passion and intelligent conviction with your response. I mean honestly you need to live up to your meaningless reputation.


Well what do you expect ..you come in here blowing your little trumpet about us being the only terrorisr nation and all that crap.

I put no one under indictment here, just your BS statement which if you had any kind of intelligence you would know better.
You come into a nation on your high horse saying if america disarms.... you fell off your horse and bumped your head kid.
Do you really believe that crap that fell out of your mouth?
Hey if the turd monikor fits you but I compared the ignorance of your disarming of america to being about as interesting as a turd in a punch bowl and it still fits.
Don't even expect that america is going to disarm because it might make peace. The age of the appeasers went out with carter and now we set on the edge of a major conflict and you are talking about disarming....see the ignorance in that logic.
And I never said I posted more times than you now did I.

I reply the way I see fit when some one comes in here with all their crap for disarming america and other worthless crap.
If you want to be disarmed move to a nation that would want you. You are entitled to your opinion but not to come in here like you are mr. knowledge and blame the woes of the world on the US.
I see where you are heading in your rant and I will wait to see if I am indeed right.
So, have a nice day kid... :lol: :lol:
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lilwolf



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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: NORTH KOREA TO TEST NUCLEAR WEAPONS!  

Kasey aka Kyle wrote: US_Republican wrote: Alizard wrote: US_Republican wrote:
Overall no peace will not come through peace but through war...

You may want to work on that one....

Peace will not come through peace?

What's next....... beef will not come through cows?

BTW, the logical construct of what you wrote is:

"A" does not equal "A"

Which is the definition of nonesense.

Then let me refraise that for the simple folk as yourself...
You will not achieve true secure peace in that region by political engagement only that of war and physical engagement

First of all your the one that thinks we should go on a mindless war rampage, so keep your pointless statements to yourself, most people don't buy their responses off of Republican.net. Saying you can only achieve peace through war is essentially saying, the only way the world can be happy is if someone dominates it. Which is like saying the only thing bringing the world down, is cultural diversity and open opinions. Why don't you say something clever, it will impress us all.


Yep, with your attitude...you won't be around long.... :roll:
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US_Republican



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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: NORTH KOREA TO TEST NUCLEAR WEAPONS!  

lilwolf wrote: Kasey aka Kyle wrote: US_Republican wrote: Alizard wrote: US_Republican wrote:
Overall no peace will not come through peace but through war...

You may want to work on that one....

Peace will not come through peace?

What's next....... beef will not come through cows?

BTW, the logical construct of what you wrote is:

"A" does not equal "A"

Which is the definition of nonesense.

Then let me refraise that for the simple folk as yourself...
You will not achieve true secure peace in that region by political engagement only that of war and physical engagement

First of all your the one that thinks we should go on a mindless war rampage, so keep your pointless statements to yourself, most people don't buy their responses off of Republican.net. Saying you can only achieve peace through war is essentially saying, the only way the world can be happy is if someone dominates it. Which is like saying the only thing bringing the world down, is cultural diversity and open opinions. Why don't you say something clever, it will impress us all.


Yep, with your attitude...you won't be around long.... :roll:

I won't miss him!
LOL

But people like that usually just forget to post after about a week! :lol:
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The Comrade



Joined: 16 Jul 2006
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:06 pm    Post subject:  

Kasey aka Kyle wrote:
By helping do you mean, helping before we ask and blowing up millions of dollars worth property
or glorifying and justifying tresspassing, foreign exploitation, and cold blooded murder.

yes iraq is the leading example of american foreign policy.
:roll:

Kasey aka Kyle wrote:
You see this,combined with acts of consistiently irrelevant arragonce, and incoherency,
commited by ignorant morons such as your self, is Democracy's downfall. How can a Democracy
succeed when 98% of the population is completely retarded? They say people who are unsure of what

your arrogant attitude gains you the title of pretentious c*ck.

because i said america helps countries i am now a moron, and a retard. and 98% of america is retarded to?


your arrogance is disgusting.

Kasey aka Kyle wrote:
to say, and how to respond intelligently laugh. If you had anything remotely smart to say you
wouldn't have used caps locks, commited butchering of the English language and avoided my
response, and actual point indirectly. You say you know people, are going to respond like this,

and if you could read you would have easily noticed that i wasn't being serious when i used "net talk".

and butchering the english language? this whole thing is one massive run on sentence you ass.

remember boys and girls, a comma is not a period.

Kasey aka Kyle wrote:
well yes, thats why this is a forum, so opinions can be expressed. Mainly my point here is, if
you knew my comment was coming before hand, then why did you do such a poor job defending
yourself? All you've managed to do is prove me right, by buying into mainstream media.

how have i bought into mainstream media?

i fail to see how my post shows this.

Kasey aka Kyle wrote: If you
had taken the simple consideration to read, and intellectually think about what I said, then
maybe you wouldn't be embarrasing yourself, by showing an extreme lack in organization, and
literacy/punctuation.

you think i haven't thought about this?


oh no socrates you're the first one to come up with such a brilliant idea. other people have certainly not entertained the idea of how america is a terrible place before. especially not on this site.

lack of literacy? i think you're the one who can't determine sarcasm and hyperbole.

and like i said, a comma is not a period.

Kasey aka Kyle wrote: Lets be honest for a second, I am a citizen of America, and because
I say I can't morally, and logicaly, support acts of unneccesary violence you reply with
bitterness? Please, show me exactly where I said only America needs to disarm. I was just saying
America is the only country that has used nuclear weapons in an act of violence, and yet
they are the ones who decide and head, who's allowed to have nuclear weapons.

america used the atom bomb and saved millions of lives.

secondly, through your logic, it's either all or nothing.

so either everyone has them or no one does, which is an idiotic stance to take on nuclear weapons.

Kasey aka Kyle wrote:
Basicaly, your
complying to cultural insensitivity, by saying only certain countries can have nuclear weapons.
Honestly, do we only trust caucasians? I say the poor countries, without any economic stability
have more of a right to drastic measures of protection then us. I mean why not defend the
defenseless right?

so use our troops to defend other countries but not our own?

but at the same time don't meddle in foreign affairs?



Kasey aka Kyle wrote: Oh and about foreign aide, don't you agree after mentally and finacially
raping another country, we deserve to give back a small piece of retribution? If people like
you were in charge of the world, it would be a chaotic state of unending violence,
and hysteria.

you have read one post of mine and assume you know my views and beliefs?


get real.


Kasey aka Kyle wrote:
I've provided an answer to each and every irrelevant statement, you so
embarassingly replied to, so why don't you stay on topic take a step back and show some
sort of amazingly clever behavior. So far you've proven yourself to be a complete hippocrit,

just to be a dick i'm going to point out that the word is hypocrite. not hippocrit.

Kasey aka Kyle wrote:
by insulting me for saying something semi-smart, so why don't you try and spin my words again
get off topic and make yourself look like a real George Bush. As for me reffering to you as
a homosexual, I never actually remember saying your ghey so how about showing some freaking
compassion for someone and chill out. If your too immature to actually reply to something
then why pretend your a genius on a forum.

i never tried to spin your words.

oh boy a george bush joke. good one! you're officially 13 years old.

and it was a joke about being "ghey". perhaps you should understand what sarcasm and hyperbole are.

once again to be a dick i will point out that the word is you're, not your.


and i never tried to be the "genius on a forum"

now if you have something to actually discuss i will be glad to. until then i suggest you step back and grow up.
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The Comrade



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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:08 pm    Post subject:  

TwinkieDP wrote: Who? What? Yugoslavia?? YOu Eastern Europeans have more in common to them Ruskies than Americans...

i am american.
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The Comrade



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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:50 pm    Post subject:  

Kasey aka Kyle wrote: CountryGuy wrote: You claim others do not have maturity, while also claiming that 98% of the American population is "retarded"? :-| All I meant by not having a sense of maturity, is that he used irrelevant words such as "ghey." Oh and if America elected George Bush President twice, there has to be something wrong with them right?

oh good one.

a george bush joke AND a shot at me.


how DO you do it?
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puffin



Joined: 24 Jun 2006
Posts: 985

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:15 pm    Post subject:  

Who are you? You are all sounding like a bunch of ten year olds!
Read the thread title then post your opinions.
If you MUST wiggle your 'pee-pees' at each other go do it somewhere else.!
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The Comrade



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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:21 pm    Post subject:  

puffin wrote: Who are you? You are all sounding like a bunch of ten year olds!
Read the thread title then post your opinions.
If you MUST wiggle your 'pee-pees' at each other go do it somewhere else.!

i was expressing my views until i got called a moron, a hypocrite, a retard, immature, illiterate, etc etc etc.
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Kasey aka Kyle



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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:59 pm    Post subject:  

puffin wrote: Anyone notice how many recent threads and posts are fully concerned with the coming crises with countries who have or are working towards having nuclear weapons? Does anyone really believe when those countries who are working towards nuclear weapons have them that they will sit on them and just wave them at other countries to blackmail them. Sooner or later some lunatic like Kim will launch one and that my friends will be the end of what we know as planet earth.
Get a flat screen TV and watch the whole thing on CNN. That will be in about three or four years-------maybe sooner if the Libs take over the government. (That's no joke).

Have you ever thought about what launching a nuclear bomb actually means? No leader is stupid enough to start a nuclear war in a time of peace, this is all just religious and economic propaganda distributed by the players and shakers, who own your brain. Why do you repeat the same moronic responses your conservative heroes chant? Honestly if theirs any hope for the world at all, it would be to have a liberal leader. Can someone actually give me an intelligent response on what a liberal is? Please define it without creating some sort of proposterous response that defines all forms of logic, respect yourself and me by providing some sort of explanation behind your insults. Heres my opinion on why conservatives are a negative party to follow: First of all they take advantage of and rape any sort of humanitarian interest and programs that are still dwindling around. They control people with false accusations, elementary fear tactics and blunt responses, that flip and take all meaningful responses out of context. Conservatives are an embarassment to any form of sentient thought left on this ball of dirt we call Earth, and respond to good ideas with violent ill-thought scenarios that talk about exploiting and killing innocent countries. If America's president was interested at all at combating terrorism, he would leave the middle-east and help the starving dying millions of refugees in Africa, where deaths are almost proportionit to the Holocaust. Instead we act with our eyes instead of our heads, and kill people just because they are the same skin color as the pilots who hit the twin towers. America has had no tradgedies on its soil since the Civil War, compared to the relentless onslaught of mindless violence we have unleashed on the rest of the world. So show some common morallity for all people not just caucasians. Oh and as for the Comrade thanks for responding with something meaningful and sensible, I don't have a problem with having an intelligent conversation, its just no fun to post up on a forum if its not a heated debate you know? I was trying to get the juices flowing and I'm glad you got your opinion clearly stated, with some decent meaning on that last post, I hope to hear from you again.
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Kane



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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:29 am    Post subject:  

This is all assuming that they go ahead and test their faulty nuclear bomb... :wink:

I voted for peaceful initiatives...because it saves lives. Depending on where the DPRK tests any said weapons...you better damn well believe China is not going to be happy with the repercussions thereof. The cloud could float on over in their direction, the borders with the DPRK could become completely destabilized if military action is taken, and the neighboring country would no longer be completely sympathetic to Chinese rule (Sucking at the tit).

I sincerely doubt that anything will come of this and that this is just another grab at attention by Kim Jong Il...the self proclaimed film star.
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Mikate8



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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:22 pm    Post subject: ARRRRGGGG NUCLEAR WEAPONS...  

I've got it, i've got a solution to make everybody happy, everyyyyyybooooooodyyyyyy

We just imitate Bill Clinton, and it'll make liberals and conservatives happy

Lob some cruise missles (and maybe some brand spankin new bunker busters) at NK and then we all get felacio from under the desk. You know what, even China and Russia will get felacio from under the desk, then we don't have to worry about them getting mad.

"Whoa Mik that plan you gave us was awesome"
"I know, because I knew it would work"
"How did you know cruise missles and bj's worked?"
"Hey, it worked for Clinton didn't it?" *gives dennis the menace kinda grin because we're all mischevious and then thumbs up*
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Kane



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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:47 pm    Post subject: Re: ARRRRGGGG NUCLEAR WEAPONS...  

Mikate8 wrote: I've got it, i've got a solution to make everybody happy, everyyyyyybooooooodyyyyyy

We just imitate Bill Clinton, and it'll make liberals and conservatives happy

Lob some cruise missles (and maybe some brand spankin new bunker busters) at NK and then we all get felacio from under the desk. You know what, even China and Russia will get felacio from under the desk, then we don't have to worry about them getting mad.

"Whoa Mik that plan you gave us was awesome"
"I know, because I knew it would work"
"How did you know cruise missles and bj's worked?"
"Hey, it worked for Clinton didn't it?" *gives dennis the menace kinda grin because we're all mischevious and then thumbs up*

Up to this point...nobody's done as much as Bill did during his terms with the DPRK. Our stance now seems to be talk with them but avoid negotiations at all costs...
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Shuya Nanahara



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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:23 am    Post subject:  

funny how most people think of NK as a dangerous and aggressive nation when they aren't involved in any major conflicts and are only beginning to develop weapons we've used to threaten the world for decades, weapons the NPT requires us to make serious efforts to remove from our arsenals. when KJI says he needs nuclear weapons to prevent a US attack, why do we think that fear is so unreasonable given the current US foreign policy. the situation in Iran is similar..

anyone ever heard of a self fulfilling prophecy......?
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puffin



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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:09 am    Post subject:  

Kim will test the trigger device soon and the world will change forever. Within one year after the device is tested Kim will invade SK claiming to his millions of zombies he had recieved a letter from the US declaring war on NK. He will actually produce the letter and wave it around just to prove it. That will drag the entire world into an out war in which the US will be compelled to use whatever means it has to attempt to destroy the NK military. Conventional forces will of course be useless against NK so limited nulcear bombing will be used to basically turn NK into an ashtray. At least the population in NK won't have to worry anymore where their next meal is coming from. I know this all sounds very pessimistic but sometimes the facts of life aren't very pleasant.
As far a China/Russia/Japan and the UN are concerned when the first wave of two hundred thousand NK zomby soldiers starts swarming across the border into SK no amount of nasty letters from them to the US will amount anything. They will sit back and scream and yell and secretly be happier than pigs in sh*t that they didn't have to get involved and that yet again the good old US of A is doing the dirty work that they knew had to be done to Kim sooner or later anyway. By then the US will be showing sat. photos on CNN of stealth bombers putting precision guided nuclear bombs straight up Kims as*. When that happens what's left of Kims army officers will be once again attempting to 'sue for peace.' Of course then the UN will start trying to prove they have some credibility by insisting the US stop their 'barbaric' actions blah blah blah.
Like a number of other nut-bar dictators around the world Kim is watching who will be running the House in Nov. and who will be in the Whitehouse in 08. If a LIB government is in expect Kim to invade within weeks after the election and expect Iran to invade Iraq at the same time. Chaves will halt all oil going to the US. Then my freinds the world will devolve into total chaos.
Can't wait to watch Al Gore, Hillary, Billy Bob, Kerry and Pelosi sweating under the TV lights trying to explain to the US population where New York had disappeared to and how they intend to save the US from complete economic and military collapse by the following Tuesday.
Perhaps they will suggest a 'peace mission' led by Diane Fienstein be sent to Iran where they can 'take meetings' with President Tom. (Billy Bob couldn't go though if it happened during Ramadon cause everyone must 'keep the stallion in the corral' then.)
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FCTE



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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: NORTH KOREA TO TEST NUCLEAR WEAPONS!  

US_Republican wrote: We must do something to stop or slow the spread of nuclear weapons.

Nuclear weapons have done exactly what Einstein and Szilard wanted them to do. They have stopped World Wars from happening ever again. All we have to fear is Armaggedon from M.A.D. but it will be a pretty fast light show.

Just get under a school desk :tu:
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Di



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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:56 pm    Post subject:  

I don't want rogue regimes like Iran and North Korea to have nukes, but let's get real here. This planet doesn't belong to the 5-10 bully-boy countries that have nuclear weapons and charitably decided that nobody else could have them. The genie has been out of the bottle for 60 years. We (meaning the USA, the UN, and every other nuclear-armed country) do not have a right to tell anyone that they cannot have what we ourselves have. NK and Iran WILL get nuclear weapons. Whether they use them or not remains to be seen, just like whether they use their conventional weapons remains to be seen.

Meanwhile, the USA is sending out messages that a nuclear test in NK would be "unacceptable" and a nuclear Iran "will not be tolerated"? Huh? Even presuming that God died and left us in charge of the planet, what exactly are we going to do to stop them? Do we honestly plan to attack or nuke NK and/or Iran? And what excuse will we give this time, that they were planning to attack/nuke us so we did it to them first? That makes us better than them? Hardly. It makes us exactly what we accuse them of being, a rogue regime that is a danger to its neighbors and will slaughter uncountable innocents without blinking an eye.

BTW, it's rather unlikely that China would sit idly by whilst America lobs bombs at its ally just across the border. I think most folks would agree that an American/Chinese shooting war is pretty much the signal that WW3 has begun. Is that really what some of you are advocating here? Because it kinda sounds like it.
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puffin



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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:48 am    Post subject:  

The West is in a no win situation. The problem is President 'Tom' has repeatedly promised to iniliate Israel when it gets the chance and Kim is clinicaly insane. It's like giving Charles Manson and a mental patient the keys to a fully loaded Abrams tanks. That's insane.
There is no way of peacefully resolving these two threats to world peace. Sometimes you have to make war to have peace. WW1/2 taught the world that. Now we have to do it again because of nut-bars like Tom and Kim.
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puffin



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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:06 am    Post subject:  

Think NK isn't about to drag the world into full scale all out war?
I do. Kim and his zombies live in a different reality than the rest of the world. They don't actually 'get it' when the entire world is warning them not to test a nuke. That's too bad for the world as we know it. The day after the test the world will change. The US WILL bomb Kim and kill him then Kims zombies will invade SK and then WW111 will have started.

You can find the 'link' to the following article on Drudge

North Korea Urged to Cancel Nuclear Test

Oct 6, 5:56 PM (ET)

By EDITH M. LEDERER

(AP) Members of the Security Council of United Nations vote during a meeting regarding North Korea at...

UNITED NATIONS (AP) - The U.N. Security Council warned North Korea on Friday of unspecified consequences if it carries out a nuclear test and urged the secretive, communist nation to abandon all nuclear weapons as it promised last year and cancel plans to detonate a device.

A statement adopted unanimously by the council expresses "deep concern" over North Korea's announcement that it planned a test - which would confirm strong suspicions it is a nuclear power - and urges Pyongyang to return to six-party talks on scrapping its nuclear weapons program.

The warning was read at a formal meeting by the council president, Ambassador Kenzo Oshima of Japan, who indicated that the North could face sanctions or possible military action if it detonates a nuclear device. Japan's Foreign Ministry issued a statement later saying if North Korea defies international concerns about a test, "the Security Council must adopt a resolution outlining severely punitive measures."

The council acted amid speculation that a nuclear test could come on Sunday, the anniversary of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il's appointment as head of the Communist party in 1997. Japanese Vice Foreign Minister Shotaro Yachi, currently in Washington, told the Japan's TV Asahi: "Based on the development so far, it would be best to view that a test is possible this weekend."

With tensions rising, Kim met hundreds of top North Korean top military commanders and urged them to bolster the nation's defenses, as officers cheered, "Fight at the cost of our lives!" the North's official Korean Central News Agency reported earlier Friday.

A North Korea expert in China, the North's closest ally, said only the removal of American economic sanctions against Pyongyang could dissuade the country from carrying out a nuclear test.

"North Korea has already made a decision to carry out a test," said Li Dunqiu, of China's State Council Development Research Center, a Cabinet-level think tank. But "if the U.S. removes sanctions ... then tensions can be eased. Otherwise launching a nuclear test is unavoidable for North Korea."

The United States imposed economic sanctions on North Korea last year to punish it for alleged counterfeiting and money laundering. For the last 13 months, North Korea has boycotted six-nation talks aimed at persuading it to abandon its nuclear ambitions.

North Korea said Tuesday it decided to act in the face of what it claimed was "the U.S. extreme threat of a nuclear war," but gave no date for the test. Washington has repeatedly said it has no intention of invading North Korea.

Both China and Russia have urged the United States and North Korea to hold talks, which Russia's U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said Friday "could be useful in resolving the situation." But he said U.S. Ambassador John Bolton informed the council that there would be no North Korean-U.S. talks except in the margins of resumed six-party talks.

Bolton said the Security Council needs to adopt a long-term strategy to deal with North Korea but the top U.S. priority now is to stop a nuclear test.

"We take the threat by North Korea seriously. We don't think this is an attention-getting device of people waving their arm to say 'see me, see me.' We think this would be consistent with the unfortunate logic that North Korea has been following," he said.

"North Korea should understand how strongly the United States and many other council members feel that they should not test this nuclear device," Bolton said. "And that if they do test it, it would be a very different world the day after the test ... because there would be another nuclear power."

Russia's Churkin said threatening or conducting a nuclear test "would not help anybody including North Korea."

"This message is very clearly conveyed in the useful presidential statement which we today adopted," he said. "Let's hope that things will cool off and that everybody will return to six-party talks."

Japan, which would be in close proximity to any North Korean nuclear test, proposed the initial text of the Security Council presidential statement, which becomes part of the council record. Oshima, the ambassador, had pressed to have it adopted before Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe travels to China on Sunday and South Korea on Monday with a message that the North should stop testing.

"It's good that the council has come up with a very clear, strongly worded message warning against a nuclear test" before the "very important" Japan-China summit meeting, Oshima said.

The statement says a nuclear test would not help Pyongyang address its concerns, especially strengthening its security.

It warns that a nuclear test would bring "universal condemnation," lead to further unspecified council action, and "jeopardize peace, stability and security in the region and beyond."

The council said it "deplores" the pursuit of nuclear weapons by the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, known as the DPRK.

"The Security Council will be monitoring the situation closely," the statement said. "The Security Council stresses that a nuclear test, if carried out by the DPRK, would represent a clear threat to international peace and security and that should the DPRK ignore calls of the international community, the Security Council will act consistent with its responsibility under the Charter of the United Nations."

Oshima indicated that the North could face sanctions or possible military action under Chapter 7 of the U.N. Charter if it detonates a nuclear device. Chapter 7 outlines actions the council can take to deal with threats to international peace. He stressed that the statement says a nuclear test would constitute such a threat, which "is clear enough."

"I think the terms in which this statement was prepared clearly indicate what will be the consequences of their action if they, in fact, resort to a nuclear test," Oshima said.

The statement also urges North Korea to return immediately to the six-party talks and work toward implementation of a September 2005 agreement in which the North pledged to give up its nuclear program in exchange for aid and security guarantees. The six parties to the talks are the two Koreas, China, Japan, the United States and Russia.

The dispatch by North Korea's news agency did not mention a nuclear test.

North Korean state television showed still photos of Kim, with his distinctive bouffant-hair, waving to an assembled crowd of about 500 olive-suited officers in dress caps. Kim later posed for a group photo with his commanders in front of Pyongyang's sprawling mausoleum for his father and national founder, Kim Il Sung.

The meeting was the reclusive leader's first reported appearance in three weeks and the first since Tuesday, when his government shocked the world by announcing plans to test a nuclear device on its way to building an atomic arsenal.

It was unclear when the rally took place, or how many attended, but it could show that Kim is trying to polish his credentials with the military at a time when international pressure is mounting on Pyongyang.
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