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[The Comrade]

British boy wrote: Some of you are mad. You think by America making any sort of military response to N Korea's alleged nuclear arsenal, that this would somehow end the situation. All that would do is provoke China into becoming involved and do any of you really want to mess with China!!

alleged?


a country admitting to having nuclear weapons and testing them AND recording it and putting it on tv isn't good enough fo you, is it?

[Kasey aka Kyle]

Are you guys completely ignorant or just stupid? The United States is the only terrorist in modern day Earth, we kill hundreds of thousands of people in the name of peace where does that get justified at? Because the U.S. is full of scared bystanders who create cynacil remarks, and predict worst-case scenarios so we can invade more countries. Christ isn't the middle east onslaught enough? How long until America is disarmed, that day will be one where the world can rejoice. We pretend like we are offering a helpful hand, when in reality we're just complying to fear brought on by careful manipulative fabrication distributed through the media, which is no doubt biased towards the many political icons who influence it. America is a hypocondriac, and until someone gives us a sugar pill in the form of disarmming us, or we get rid of all the war hungry leaders bent on making there mark and earning an extra dime. Modern America is Early 1900's Germany, we are setting ourselves up and inevitably causing unneccasary chaos. The word terrorist, comes from the word terror which means fear, and fear is how America controls its people. So next time you watch Fox, or CNN open your eyes and try to at least imagine being semi-intelligent and realizing its all a system of brainwashing, brought on by our desperation for, and lack of a decent leader. As for you The Comrade, when you reply to someone using their quote why don't you quit saying things out of context and completely irrelevant, your compulsive behavior is the reason we have wars. By declaring war on North Korea do you really think any threat, if there ever was one would just dissapear? Violence only establishes grounds to start more violence, by America creating and using atomic weapons in the first place, shouldn't we be the ones deprived of our privlages for protection via bombs?

[Kasey aka Kyle]

puffin wrote: All it's going to take is one incident to set off catastrophic world changing series of responses that will within a few days then change everything.
NK is most likely to start it all. The popualation in NK genuinely believe Kim is an actuall God. This is a fact. It's like having a population of Moonies. What we in the West don't understand is if Kim tells his pop. of brain dead followers the West is starving and they are going to invade so they can eat all the NK babies the 'followers' will truly believe it. No kidding.
At some point Kim believes has to prove something to the Pop. He can't just sit around drinking champagne and watching Disney movies and fondling eight year old girls forever. His ego will demand he does something 'big' sooner or later. That 'big' thing is to test nuclear weapons at this point. If the West doesn't do something 'big' in reponse he will start screwing around on the DNC and trying to start a fight with the SK and US forces.
What Kim doesn't understand is there is a real line he will not be able to cross without the West confronting him.
When that happens there will be millions of Kims 'followers' who will gleefully die for Kim. To them that would be the highest priveledge they could ever have.
Those millions, who are basically starving to death, will be more than happy to head for SK if Kim says "go into the South, which is your righful land, and you can live there and have all the food you want". This is going to happen folks and when it does it's the beginning of the end of the world as we know it.

So by initiating the conflict you think, any possible problems will be resolved? Sounds to me like your justifying killing millions of people because they are ruled by a bendictive leader, in which case I would have to ask you where is this "real line" that Kim is going to cross? Is it a line based on the perceptions of your leaders, or a line created by your own personal morality and belifs? This would cause me to draw a conclusion, that you are just a sheep following your leaders, because if you had any basic or common morality you would think about the reaction attacking North Korea would cause. I don't have a problem with people who support war, just with people who support a war that they are to afraid to take part in, so they send millions of innocent bystanders in their place. If you think for half a second that every country on earth, with media doesn't follow, and comply to what their leaders say then you are sadly mistaken, media is the perception of rich people. Rich people, get money by taking advantage of poor people who they then control through the media, and create a society of largely depraved masses who follow a group of individuals who haven't suffered for a day in their lives. By attacking North Korea we are making, the possible probable, and the wildly spectulating caucasian masses right with their belifs that a Muslim or Asian society is eventually going to take over, the only reason for North Korea to start a conflict is to prove its dominance and dominance is unneccessary unless we challenge it. Basically what I'm saying for you simple minded individuals is if we don't act on North Korea there might be a war, if we do challenge them there will be a war.

[The Comrade]

Kasey aka Kyle wrote: Are you guys completely ignorant or just stupid? The United States is the only terrorist in modern day Earth, we kill hundreds of thousands of people in the name of peace where does that get justified at? Because the U.S. is full of scared bystanders who create cynacil remarks, and predict worst-case scenarios so we can invade more countries. Christ isn't the middle east onslaught enough? How long until America is disarmed, that day will be one where the world can rejoice. We pretend like we are offering a helpful hand, when in reality we're just complying to fear brought on by careful manipulative fabrication distributed through the media, which is no doubt biased towards the many political icons who influence it. America is a hypocondriac, and until someone gives us a sugar pill in the form of disarmming us, or we get rid of all the war hungry leaders bent on making there mark and earning an extra dime. Modern America is Early 1900's Germany, we are setting ourselves up and inevitably causing unneccasary chaos. The word terrorist, comes from the word terror which means fear, and fear is how America controls its people. So next time you watch Fox, or CNN open your eyes and try to at least imagine being semi-intelligent and realizing its all a system of brainwashing, brought on by our desperation for, and lack of a decent leader. As for you The Comrade, when you reply to someone using their quote why don't you quit saying things out of context and completely irrelevant, your compulsive behavior is the reason we have wars. By declaring war on North Korea do you really think any threat, if there ever was one would just dissapear? Violence only establishes grounds to start more violence, by America creating and using atomic weapons in the first place, shouldn't we be the ones deprived of our privlages for protection via bombs?

we've helped more countries then any other nation i can think of.


LOL WE OVERTHROW GOVERNMENTS LOL THE COMRADE UR GHEY LOL.

since i know someone is going to respond to me like that i'm going to answer you before you ask.

even though we overthrow governments and what have you.

A) we are not theo nly country that does it so don't go "DISARM AMERICA!!!!!" and not consider the rest of the world

B)we give out a **** of foreign aid and have pulled more then one countries ass out of the fire.

[lilwolf]

Kasey aka Kyle wrote: Are you guys completely ignorant or just stupid? The United States is the only terrorist in modern day Earth, we kill hundreds of thousands of people in the name of peace where does that get justified at? Because the U.S. is full of scared bystanders who create cynacil remarks, and predict worst-case scenarios so we can invade more countries. Christ isn't the middle east onslaught enough? How long until America is disarmed, that day will be one where the world can rejoice. We pretend like we are offering a helpful hand, when in reality we're just complying to fear brought on by careful manipulative fabrication distributed through the media, which is no doubt biased towards the many political icons who influence it. America is a hypocondriac, and until someone gives us a sugar pill in the form of disarmming us, or we get rid of all the war hungry leaders bent on making there mark and earning an extra dime. Modern America is Early 1900's Germany, we are setting ourselves up and inevitably causing unneccasary chaos. The word terrorist, comes from the word terror which means fear, and fear is how America controls its people. So next time you watch Fox, or CNN open your eyes and try to at least imagine being semi-intelligent and realizing its all a system of brainwashing, brought on by our desperation for, and lack of a decent leader. As for you The Comrade, when you reply to someone using their quote why don't you quit saying things out of context and completely irrelevant, your compulsive behavior is the reason we have wars. By declaring war on North Korea do you really think any threat, if there ever was one would just dissapear? Violence only establishes grounds to start more violence, by America creating and using atomic weapons in the first place, shouldn't we be the ones deprived of our privlages for protection via bombs?



Hey .... BS and you only have 5 posts. I would think that with your hostile attitude you will not be around for very long. You really nned an attitude check.

Now.... we are not going to disarm and that is the way it stands. If you really don't like it in this nation go to someplace that you might like, if they'll have you.
Good grief..... Newbies that are rude and come in here like they own the place are about as interesting as a turd in a punch bowl... :td:

[dreamz]

To tell the truth i don't think China would allow America to declare war at this moment!

[njlemire87]

dreamz wrote: To tell the truth i don't think China would allow America to declare war at this moment!

That would involve us caring what China has to say.....

[Kasey aka Kyle]

The Comrade wrote:
we've helped more countries then any other nation i can think of.


LOL WE OVERTHROW GOVERNMENTS LOL THE COMRADE UR GHEY LOL.

since i know someone is going to respond to me like that i'm going to answer you before you ask.

even though we overthrow governments and what have you.

A) we are not theo nly country that does it so don't go "DISARM AMERICA!!!!!" and not consider the rest of the world

B)we give out a **** of foreign aid and have pulled more then one countries ass out of the fire.

By helping do you mean, helping before we ask and blowing up millions of dollars worth property
or glorifying and justifying tresspassing, foreign exploitation, and cold blooded murder.
You see this,combined with acts of consistiently irrelevant arragonce, and incoherency,
commited by ignorant morons such as your self, is Democracy's downfall. How can a Democracy
succeed when 98% of the population is completely retarded? They say people who are unsure of what
to say, and how to respond intelligently laugh. If you had anything remotely smart to say you
wouldn't have used caps locks, commited butchering of the English language and avoided my
response, and actual point indirectly. You say you know people, are going to respond like this,
well yes, thats why this is a forum, so opinions can be expressed. Mainly my point here is, if
you knew my comment was coming before hand, then why did you do such a poor job defending
yourself? All you've managed to do is prove me right, by buying into mainstream media. If you
had taken the simple consideration to read, and intellectually think about what I said, then
maybe you wouldn't be embarrasing yourself, by showing an extreme lack in organization, and
literacy/punctuation. Lets be honest for a second, I am a citizen of America, and because
I say I can't morally, and logicaly, support acts of unneccesary violence you reply with
bitterness? Please, show me exactly where I said only America needs to disarm. I was just saying
America is the only country that has used nuclear weapons in an act of violence, and yet
they are the ones who decide and head, who's allowed to have nuclear weapons. Basicaly, your
complying to cultural insensitivity, by saying only certain countries can have nuclear weapons.
Honestly, do we only trust caucasians? I say the poor countries, without any economic stability
have more of a right to drastic measures of protection then us. I mean why not defend the
defenseless right? Oh and about foreign aide, don't you agree after mentally and finacially
raping another country, we deserve to give back a small piece of retribution? If people like
you were in charge of the world, it would be a chaotic state of unending violence,
and hysteria. I've provided an answer to each and every irrelevant statement, you so
embarassingly replied to, so why don't you stay on topic take a step back and show some
sort of amazingly clever behavior. So far you've proven yourself to be a complete hippocrit,
by insulting me for saying something semi-smart, so why don't you try and spin my words again
get off topic and make yourself look like a real George Bush. As for me reffering to you as
a homosexual, I never actually remember saying your ghey so how about showing some freaking
compassion for someone and chill out. If your too immature to actually reply to something
then why pretend your a genius on a forum.

[Kasey aka Kyle]

lilwolf wrote:


Hey .... BS and you only have 5 posts. I would think that with your hostile attitude you will not be around for very long. You really nned an attitude check.

Now.... we are not going to disarm and that is the way it stands. If you really don't like it in this nation go to someplace that you might like, if they'll have you.
Good grief..... Newbies that are rude and come in here like they own the place are about as interesting as a turd in a punch bowl... :td:

Wow I expect your the haven of maturity right? You respond to an intelligent comment, by creating manipulative fabrication? It shows how much arrogance, you have behind you, when someone says something based on their perspective theres no reason to become defensive, and act like a child. I wasn't personally attacking you or anything although I don't politically agree with you, that doesn't mean you have to put me under indictment. Seriously though who replies to someone by using profanity, in a mature conversation? Oh by the way are you, using your reputation as a frequent instigater of intelligence, as a way to try and act like your on a different level then me? You see thats what Hitler did, he lived through arrogance, and when he couldn't think of an intellectually correct way to respond to someone, he used their reputation and heritage as a scapegoat. If you are really so clever as to say you've posted more times then me, then what exactly are you proving? A mentally-handicapped person can do something thousands of times and never get any better, then a prodigy can do something a few times and perfect it. You see its unfair to base current debates on irrelevant, past debates, so you've said stupid things more than I have congratulations... Oh how did you like my analogy of a mentally handicapped individual and yourself? Much more mature and descriptive then you comparing me to an inanimate object such as a "turd." Next time you reply, don't reply with incoherent hostility, have some passion and intelligent conviction with your response. I mean honestly you need to live up to your meaningless reputation.

[CountryGuy]

You claim others do not have maturity, while also claiming that 98% of the American population is "retarded"? :-|

[CountryGuy]

I don't see any of this tipping into Armaggedon -- allow me to explain why.

As many here will tell you (and while a liberal talking point, I agree with it), modern war is really propelled by industry: Its a business. People buy and sell technology to improve their military might, which if you can project it, tends to provide economic benefits as well (anyone know a poor country that has a workable navy, for example)?

Limited wars and engagements permit the testing, use, and SALE of war machinery. It allows militaries to get rid of old supplies and replace them with new. While its not the primary driver of wars, dont think for a second that there are not people from various companies lobbying.

Now, the large scale conflicts that would set of Armaggeddon do NOT make business sense. The Chinese, the Americans, etc. are not dumb. They are going to try for advantage, but extended conflicts between one another don't make practical sense. In essence, they would HURT business.

The wild card are terrorists and rogue states like North Korea. But even the Chinese are putting real pressure on NK, because they don't want something inbalancing either. I just read on Newsweek that the Chinese are doing a number of things on their side to force NK to their viewpoint.

Even if a horrific event were to occur, I don't think it would trigger world war.

[Green]

lilwolf wrote:
Then if they were so stupid to cross the line.....remove it all,as a last resort.

Second to last resort-"In order to get you to stop arguing with me Kim Jong Yill, I will offer you the choice of having sex with my secretary, or going to war with us."

Effective, yet perverted.

[TwinkieDP]

The Comrade wrote: Kasey aka Kyle wrote: Are you guys completely ignorant or just stupid? The United States is the only terrorist in modern day Earth, we kill hundreds of thousands of people in the name of peace where does that get justified at? Because the U.S. is full of scared bystanders who create cynacil remarks, and predict worst-case scenarios so we can invade more countries. Christ isn't the middle east onslaught enough? How long until America is disarmed, that day will be one where the world can rejoice. We pretend like we are offering a helpful hand, when in reality we're just complying to fear brought on by careful manipulative fabrication distributed through the media, which is no doubt biased towards the many political icons who influence it. America is a hypocondriac, and until someone gives us a sugar pill in the form of disarmming us, or we get rid of all the war hungry leaders bent on making there mark and earning an extra dime. Modern America is Early 1900's Germany, we are setting ourselves up and inevitably causing unneccasary chaos. The word terrorist, comes from the word terror which means fear, and fear is how America controls its people. So next time you watch Fox, or CNN open your eyes and try to at least imagine being semi-intelligent and realizing its all a system of brainwashing, brought on by our desperation for, and lack of a decent leader. As for you The Comrade, when you reply to someone using their quote why don't you quit saying things out of context and completely irrelevant, your compulsive behavior is the reason we have wars. By declaring war on North Korea do you really think any threat, if there ever was one would just dissapear? Violence only establishes grounds to start more violence, by America creating and using atomic weapons in the first place, shouldn't we be the ones deprived of our privlages for protection via bombs?

we've helped more countries then any other nation i can think of.
LOL WE OVERTHROW GOVERNMENTS LOL THE COMRADE UR GHEY LOL.
since i know someone is going to respond to me like that i'm going to answer you before you ask.
even though we overthrow governments and what have you.
A) we are not theo nly country that does it so don't go "DISARM AMERICA!!!!!" and not consider the rest of the world
B)we give out a **** of foreign aid and have pulled more then one countries ass out of the fire. Who? What? Yugoslavia?? YOu Eastern Europeans have more in common to them Ruskies than Americans...

[US_Republican]

Alizard wrote: US_Republican wrote:
Overall no peace will not come through peace but through war...

You may want to work on that one....

Peace will not come through peace?

What's next....... beef will not come through cows?

BTW, the logical construct of what you wrote is:

"A" does not equal "A"

Which is the definition of nonesense.

Then let me refraise that for the simple folk as yourself...
You will not achieve true secure peace in that region by political engagement only that of war and physical engagement

[US_Republican]

Ok I knew this would happen and that is exactly why I have put that option on the poll...

For many of you that put 'peaceful incentives'; I ask why, why did you pick that particular answer choice? Was it cause you think it was the best course of action or are you just ignorant?

Keep in mind we are talking about a madman that has the support of China and the care enough to let his people starve on the streets while he sips down expensive drinks to help expensive food down his throught (which if I was in charge would have a gapping hole across it)

[TwinkieDP]

US_Republican wrote: Ok I knew this would happen and that is exactly why I have put that option on the poll...

For many of you that put 'peaceful incentives'; I ask why, why did you pick that particular answer choice? Was it cause you think it was the best course of action or are you just ignorant?

Keep in mind we are talking about a madman that has the support of China and the care enough to let his people starve on the streets while he sips down expensive drinks to help expensive food down his throught (which if I was in charge would have a gapping hole across it)
People made the vote that they felt was most reasonable in their mind. I didn't vote for peaceful incentives, but I don't go and call people ignorant simply because their vote does not agree with mine.

[Kasey aka Kyle]

CountryGuy wrote: You claim others do not have maturity, while also claiming that 98% of the American population is "retarded"? :-| All I meant by not having a sense of maturity, is that he used irrelevant words such as "ghey." Oh and if America elected George Bush President twice, there has to be something wrong with them right?

[Angelicus]

Alizard wrote: US_Republican wrote:

We must do something to stop or slow the spread of nuclear weapons.



Why don't you start by telling us what your plan would be to stop NK from having nukes?

Any plans that don't include an invasion or carpet bombing?

Oh well since we are ruling out millitary options from the get go how about this scenario.

Maybe we could surrender the states of N.Y. and California too N. Korea, and while we are at it, beg them to be nice too us too. :shock:

Other than the millitary option what other options do you think we have? :roll:

I vote for a combination of the first two.

[Kasey aka Kyle]

US_Republican wrote: Alizard wrote: US_Republican wrote:
Overall no peace will not come through peace but through war...

You may want to work on that one....

Peace will not come through peace?

What's next....... beef will not come through cows?

BTW, the logical construct of what you wrote is:

"A" does not equal "A"

Which is the definition of nonesense.

Then let me refraise that for the simple folk as yourself...
You will not achieve true secure peace in that region by political engagement only that of war and physical engagement

First of all your the one that thinks we should go on a mindless war rampage, so keep your pointless statements to yourself, most people don't buy their responses off of Republican.net. Saying you can only achieve peace through war is essentially saying, the only way the world can be happy is if someone dominates it. Which is like saying the only thing bringing the world down, is cultural diversity and open opinions. Why don't you say something clever, it will impress us all.

[puffin]

Anyone notice how many recent threads and posts are fully concerned with the coming crises with countries who have or are working towards having nuclear weapons? Does anyone really believe when those countries who are working towards nuclear weapons have them that they will sit on them and just wave them at other countries to blackmail them. Sooner or later some lunatic like Kim will launch one and that my friends will be the end of what we know as planet earth.
Get a flat screen TV and watch the whole thing on CNN. That will be in about three or four years-------maybe sooner if the Libs take over the government. (That's no joke).