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DevilMan
Joined: 02 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| Our world is being taken over by the computers already. Think about it, you sit on your computer, where you can buy a computer, from another computer, that tells yet another computer to build your new computer and ship it to you and your old computer... Humans are worthless appendages that will be phased out eventually... I think Dogbert on that Dilbert show said something like that... But it seems true. We have computers do our taxes, do our chores, take care of our lives, we're working toward having them fight our wars. The robot invasion won't be a sudden attack that kills millions, it will be a slow phase out over years. The computers will still let us think we're in charge... We need our ego. |
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MplsBison
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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DevilMan wrote: Our world is being taken over by the computers already. Think about it, you sit on your computer, where you can buy a computer, from another computer, that tells yet another computer to build your new computer and ship it to you and your old computer... Humans are worthless appendages that will be phased out eventually
I don't see how you can logically go from the left to the right.
Didn't the actions of all those computers talking to each other start by a human telling the first computer what to do?
IE, without humans, computers can't do anything. |
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MplsBison
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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THEXRATED wrote:
Some mathematically defined sequences exhibit some of the same characteristics as random sequences, but because they are generated by a describable mechanism they are called pseudo-random. To an observer who does not know the mechanism, the pseudo-random sequence is unpredictable.
This is what we've been talking about.
In order to be random, there can't be a "describable mechanism" that dictates what the next value will be.
If one exists, it's not random. |
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criticalstriker
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Um sorry if i missed some thing but why are you guys talking about randomness? |
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bob.appleyard
Joined: 15 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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cap'n queasy wrote: they will never solve problems unless the programmer anticipates and solves the problem first and then programs the machine to perform in this manner
I take it you've never heard of neural nets? |
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Paladin
Joined: 08 Oct 2005
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Location: Heart of Texas
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Let the computers learn. It's not like they want to do anything with all the learning they achieve. Unless you program them to want to kill people...
Programs do not develop wants of their own out of thin air like in the movies. |
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MplsBison
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bob.appleyard wrote:
I take it you've never heard of neural nets?
Those would be an attempt to create an artificial brain.
That's not a computer. |
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thehollowman
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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Location: Terra
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Everyone makes mistakes. We should not assume that an AI is going to be completely perfect, seeing as how it is an extension of our own brains. If it can rationally handle decision making, whether confronted by moral dilemmas or not, the machine should be able to choose. |
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criticalstriker
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
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tman_ndsu08 wrote: bob.appleyard wrote:
I take it you've never heard of neural nets?
Those would be an attempt to create an artificial brain.
That's not a computer.
Couldent you call an artificial brain a computer? |
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MplsBison
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tman_ndsu08 wrote:
Brain = ability to give output without a given input.
Computer = only can give output with a given input.
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