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[perdidochas]

Quell wrote: adnjacob wrote: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216898,00.html
Quote:
Florida Police Shot Suspected Cop Killer 68 Times
Sunday, October 01, 2006

Angilo Freeland — who was suspected of fatally shooting the deputy after being pulled over for speeding Thursday — was hit 68 times by the SWAT team members' shots, the examination released Saturday showed.

He also was suspected of wounding a deputy and killing a police dog.

Freeland's death ended a nearly 24-hour manhunt that forced schools to lock down and families to stay indoors as about 500 officers scoured the woods.

"I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had," Judd said. "We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back."



A manhunt of 500 officers? Shot 68 times? Why? Because he was a common murderer? No, because he killed a cop.

How many murders are there each day in this country? How many of them get a manhunt consisting of 500 officers?

While I have no objections to hunting down murderers like the animals they are, this incident was absurdly excessive. When any civilian is murdered, they usually do as they were trained. When a cop is killed, they deploy like an army going to battle. They act like the anti-Christ has come. What a joke.

Not a joke.

Instilling a healthy fear, of killing cops, allows them to better perform thier job. The more criminals that KNOW one thing you shouldnt do is kill a cop, the better.

<edit>

This is assuming he was guilty of said crime.

Considering he was holding a killed or wounded cop's gun when he was killed, I think he was guilty of shooting the cops.

[adnjacob]

ikari wrote: Quell wrote: Not a joke.

Instilling a healthy fear, of killing cops, allows them to better perform thier job. The more criminals that KNOW one thing you shouldnt do is kill a cop, the better.

<edit>

This is assuming he was guilty of said crime.

I think you edit is the key. Police are not authorized to judge and convict criminals. I am not saying that they shouldn't protect themselves or that they don't have the ability to shoot back or protect themselves. I think we just need to exercise a bit of caution here because we don't want to Judge Dred the system.

I agree. I hadn't thought of this angle.

[Quell]

ikari wrote: I think we just need to exercise a bit of caution here because we don't want to Judge Dred the system.

/in a deep voice

I AM the law!!!

[adnjacob]

perdidochas wrote: Quell wrote: adnjacob wrote: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216898,00.html
Quote:
Florida Police Shot Suspected Cop Killer 68 Times
Sunday, October 01, 2006

Angilo Freeland — who was suspected of fatally shooting the deputy after being pulled over for speeding Thursday — was hit 68 times by the SWAT team members' shots, the examination released Saturday showed.

He also was suspected of wounding a deputy and killing a police dog.

Freeland's death ended a nearly 24-hour manhunt that forced schools to lock down and families to stay indoors as about 500 officers scoured the woods.

"I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had," Judd said. "We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back."



A manhunt of 500 officers? Shot 68 times? Why? Because he was a common murderer? No, because he killed a cop.

How many murders are there each day in this country? How many of them get a manhunt consisting of 500 officers?

While I have no objections to hunting down murderers like the animals they are, this incident was absurdly excessive. When any civilian is murdered, they usually do as they were trained. When a cop is killed, they deploy like an army going to battle. They act like the anti-Christ has come. What a joke.

Not a joke.

Instilling a healthy fear, of killing cops, allows them to better perform thier job. The more criminals that KNOW one thing you shouldnt do is kill a cop, the better.

<edit>

This is assuming he was guilty of said crime.

Considering he was holding a killed or wounded cop's gun when he was killed, I think he was guilty of shooting the cops.

If a cop broke into my house, and started robbing the place, I'd shoot him. I'd be a cop killer, yet my actions would be justified. I'm not saying the criminal in this instance was justified, just that it is possible to be justified depending on the circumstances.

[callous]

adnjacob wrote: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216898,00.html
Quote:
Florida Police Shot Suspected Cop Killer 68 Times
Sunday, October 01, 2006

Angilo Freeland — who was suspected of fatally shooting the deputy after being pulled over for speeding Thursday — was hit 68 times by the SWAT team members' shots, the examination released Saturday showed.

He also was suspected of wounding a deputy and killing a police dog.

Freeland's death ended a nearly 24-hour manhunt that forced schools to lock down and families to stay indoors as about 500 officers scoured the woods.

"I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had," Judd said. "We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back."



A manhunt of 500 officers? Shot 68 times? Why? Because he was a common murderer? No, because he killed a cop.

How many murders are there each day in this country? How many of them get a manhunt consisting of 500 officers?

While I have no objections to hunting down murderers like the animals they are, this incident was absurdly excessive. When any civilian is murdered, they usually do as they were trained. When a cop is killed, they deploy like an army going to battle. They act like the anti-Christ has come. What a joke.

What a superb point. American culture and its reverence for first responders, even though it is appropriate, has created foundations for these thought processes like losing a police officer is equal to losing 4 civilians.

Its a sick way of thinking and its been fostered for a long time. No doubt it is being fostered even more intensely since most law enforcement agencies now are spoon-fed the belief that America in the age of terrorism is the only righteous country.

[callous]

PheelGoodInc wrote: What the hell do you expect? It's like stepping on an ant hill and being supprised when 1000 ants come out after you.

Comparing American law enforcement to mindless ants.

Now there is a perspective I can agree with.

[agentkgb]

callous wrote: PheelGoodInc wrote: What the hell do you expect? It's like stepping on an ant hill and being supprised when 1000 ants come out after you.

Comparing American law enforcement to mindless ants.

Now there is a perspective I can agree with.
:-D I thought ants were efficient though...

[callous]

agentkgb wrote: callous wrote: PheelGoodInc wrote: What the hell do you expect? It's like stepping on an ant hill and being supprised when 1000 ants come out after you.

Comparing American law enforcement to mindless ants.

Now there is a perspective I can agree with.
:-D I thought ants were efficient though...

They most definitely are. And will attack their own with no cause given the correct stimulus.

[DavidXV]

I'm usualy on the cops side in these matters, but bullets are getting very expensive and it does not take 68 of them to down a suspect. This is a big waste of taxpayer money. All you need is one shooter with proper aim.

[lilwolf]

callous wrote: adnjacob wrote: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216898,00.html
Quote:
Florida Police Shot Suspected Cop Killer 68 Times
Sunday, October 01, 2006

Angilo Freeland — who was suspected of fatally shooting the deputy after being pulled over for speeding Thursday — was hit 68 times by the SWAT team members' shots, the examination released Saturday showed.

He also was suspected of wounding a deputy and killing a police dog.

Freeland's death ended a nearly 24-hour manhunt that forced schools to lock down and families to stay indoors as about 500 officers scoured the woods.

"I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had," Judd said. "We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back."



A manhunt of 500 officers? Shot 68 times? Why? Because he was a common murderer? No, because he killed a cop.

How many murders are there each day in this country? How many of them get a manhunt consisting of 500 officers?

While I have no objections to hunting down murderers like the animals they are, this incident was absurdly excessive. When any civilian is murdered, they usually do as they were trained. When a cop is killed, they deploy like an army going to battle. They act like the anti-Christ has come. What a joke.

What a superb point. American culture and its reverence for first responders, even though it is appropriate, has created foundations for these thought processes like losing a police officer is equal to losing 4 civilians.

Its a sick way of thinking and its been fostered for a long time. No doubt it is being fostered even more intensely since most law enforcement agencies now are spoon-fed the belief that America in the age of terrorism is the only righteous country.

Tell you what here...you go shoot a cop and see how long your ass lasts...not long. That's like a family and you mess with one you got them all. Slight over kill to say the least :-| but do not harm a cop and expect that you are going to be treated nicely...It is not happening

[Revenant]

Looks like Max Payne got to them first.

[adnjacob]

DavidXV wrote: I'm usualy on the cops side in these matters, but bullets are getting very expensive and it does not take 68 of them to down a suspect. This is a big waste of taxpayer money. All you need is one shooter with proper aim.

Actually I disagree with you on this. Ammunition isn't really all that expensive. A single cartridge costs what? 40, 50 cents? Even if they cost a dollar per cartridge, 68 dollars isn't a big waste. As far as shooting the guy, they didn't need to shoot him 68 times, but it really doesn't matter... dead is dead.

What I disagree with is that they go to such extremes as to call out 500 officers to hunt him down. When do other murders get such attention?

[perdidochas]

adnjacob wrote: perdidochas wrote: Quell wrote: adnjacob wrote: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216898,00.html
Quote:
Florida Police Shot Suspected Cop Killer 68 Times
Sunday, October 01, 2006

Angilo Freeland — who was suspected of fatally shooting the deputy after being pulled over for speeding Thursday — was hit 68 times by the SWAT team members' shots, the examination released Saturday showed.

He also was suspected of wounding a deputy and killing a police dog.

Freeland's death ended a nearly 24-hour manhunt that forced schools to lock down and families to stay indoors as about 500 officers scoured the woods.

"I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had," Judd said. "We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back."



A manhunt of 500 officers? Shot 68 times? Why? Because he was a common murderer? No, because he killed a cop.

How many murders are there each day in this country? How many of them get a manhunt consisting of 500 officers?

While I have no objections to hunting down murderers like the animals they are, this incident was absurdly excessive. When any civilian is murdered, they usually do as they were trained. When a cop is killed, they deploy like an army going to battle. They act like the anti-Christ has come. What a joke.

Not a joke.

Instilling a healthy fear, of killing cops, allows them to better perform thier job. The more criminals that KNOW one thing you shouldnt do is kill a cop, the better.

<edit>

This is assuming he was guilty of said crime.

Considering he was holding a killed or wounded cop's gun when he was killed, I think he was guilty of shooting the cops.

If a cop broke into my house, and started robbing the place, I'd shoot him. I'd be a cop killer, yet my actions would be justified. I'm not saying the criminal in this instance was justified, just that it is possible to be justified depending on the circumstances.

That wasn't the case. He was pulled over for speeding. He ran into the woods. The cops called for backup and gave chase. He then shot two cops and a K-9 unit, killing one cop and the K-9, and wounding the other. He never got out of the woods/brush that he hid in.

[adnjacob]

perdidochas wrote: adnjacob wrote: perdidochas wrote: Quell wrote: adnjacob wrote: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216898,00.html
Quote:
Florida Police Shot Suspected Cop Killer 68 Times
Sunday, October 01, 2006

Angilo Freeland — who was suspected of fatally shooting the deputy after being pulled over for speeding Thursday — was hit 68 times by the SWAT team members' shots, the examination released Saturday showed.

He also was suspected of wounding a deputy and killing a police dog.

Freeland's death ended a nearly 24-hour manhunt that forced schools to lock down and families to stay indoors as about 500 officers scoured the woods.

"I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had," Judd said. "We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back."



A manhunt of 500 officers? Shot 68 times? Why? Because he was a common murderer? No, because he killed a cop.

How many murders are there each day in this country? How many of them get a manhunt consisting of 500 officers?

While I have no objections to hunting down murderers like the animals they are, this incident was absurdly excessive. When any civilian is murdered, they usually do as they were trained. When a cop is killed, they deploy like an army going to battle. They act like the anti-Christ has come. What a joke.

Not a joke.

Instilling a healthy fear, of killing cops, allows them to better perform thier job. The more criminals that KNOW one thing you shouldnt do is kill a cop, the better.

<edit>

This is assuming he was guilty of said crime.

Considering he was holding a killed or wounded cop's gun when he was killed, I think he was guilty of shooting the cops.

If a cop broke into my house, and started robbing the place, I'd shoot him. I'd be a cop killer, yet my actions would be justified. I'm not saying the criminal in this instance was justified, just that it is possible to be justified depending on the circumstances.

That wasn't the case. He was pulled over for speeding. He ran into the woods. The cops called for backup and gave chase. He then shot two cops and a K-9 unit, killing one cop and the K-9, and wounding the other. He never got out of the woods/brush that he hid in.

adnjacob wrote: I'm not saying the criminal in this instance was justified


I'm saying that just because someone kills a cop, doesn't mean they're wrong. Cops aren't always good and right. It depends on the circumstances. In this case, the criminal got what he deserved.

[DMS]

Poor children are murdered every day, but when it is a wealthy child it is big news. A poor man is murdered and it is will only get a half-assed investigation. BS double standards.

A cop is armed and trained to deal with criminals. Yes, they sometimes get killed but they are more able to protect themselves than most other murder victims. This is a big time over reaction. Will they use the same zeal going after the next victim of a murder, when an officer is not the victim, hell no.

[PheelGoodInc]

adnjacob wrote: PheelGoodInc wrote: What the hell do you expect? It's like stepping on an ant hill and being supprised when 1000 ants come out after you.

I expect the cops to act like professionals.

I'm not saying I agree with it. I'm simply saying it doesn't take much to understand it.

adnjacob wrote:

Not if it would make me look like a trigger happy lunatic from the wild west, and at the same time make it clear to the people that the cops only get motivated when it's one of their own.

Edit- Actually this is a bad reply. Let me restate it. I absolutely would go after him. I wouldn't however, take 500 officers away from their job when only a few are needed. And I certainly wouldn't do something that I wouldn't do to capture any other murderer.

I would.... keep in mind cops do this thing almost every day that they work. Now it happens to one of their friends. To think that they wouldn't go the extra mile when it gets personal is a bit naive.

[adnjacob]

PheelGoodInc wrote: adnjacob wrote: PheelGoodInc wrote: What the hell do you expect? It's like stepping on an ant hill and being supprised when 1000 ants come out after you.

I expect the cops to act like professionals.

I'm not saying I agree with it. I'm simply saying it doesn't take much to understand it.

adnjacob wrote:

Not if it would make me look like a trigger happy lunatic from the wild west, and at the same time make it clear to the people that the cops only get motivated when it's one of their own.

Edit- Actually this is a bad reply. Let me restate it. I absolutely would go after him. I wouldn't however, take 500 officers away from their job when only a few are needed. And I certainly wouldn't do something that I wouldn't do to capture any other murderer.

I would.... keep in mind cops do this thing almost every day that they work. Now it happens to one of their friends. To think that they wouldn't go the extra mile when it gets personal is a bit naive.

I would be understanding if they showed a little more enthusiasm and such, but 500 officers? I think they went the extra 200 miles. Using 500 officers is absurdly excessive and far beyone the "extra mile."

[callous]

lilwolf wrote: callous wrote: adnjacob wrote: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216898,00.html
Quote:
Florida Police Shot Suspected Cop Killer 68 Times
Sunday, October 01, 2006

Angilo Freeland — who was suspected of fatally shooting the deputy after being pulled over for speeding Thursday — was hit 68 times by the SWAT team members' shots, the examination released Saturday showed.

He also was suspected of wounding a deputy and killing a police dog.

Freeland's death ended a nearly 24-hour manhunt that forced schools to lock down and families to stay indoors as about 500 officers scoured the woods.

"I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had," Judd said. "We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back."



A manhunt of 500 officers? Shot 68 times? Why? Because he was a common murderer? No, because he killed a cop.

How many murders are there each day in this country? How many of them get a manhunt consisting of 500 officers?

While I have no objections to hunting down murderers like the animals they are, this incident was absurdly excessive. When any civilian is murdered, they usually do as they were trained. When a cop is killed, they deploy like an army going to battle. They act like the anti-Christ has come. What a joke.

What a superb point. American culture and its reverence for first responders, even though it is appropriate, has created foundations for these thought processes like losing a police officer is equal to losing 4 civilians.

Its a sick way of thinking and its been fostered for a long time. No doubt it is being fostered even more intensely since most law enforcement agencies now are spoon-fed the belief that America in the age of terrorism is the only righteous country.

Tell you what here...you go shoot a cop and see how long your ass lasts...not long. That's like a family and you mess with one you got them all. Slight over kill to say the least :-| but do not harm a cop and expect that you are going to be treated nicely...It is not happening

So what you're saying is that the police are pretty much the mob.

[DavidXV]

adnjacob wrote: DavidXV wrote: I'm usualy on the cops side in these matters, but bullets are getting very expensive and it does not take 68 of them to down a suspect. This is a big waste of taxpayer money. All you need is one shooter with proper aim.

Actually I disagree with you on this. Ammunition isn't really all that expensive. A single cartridge costs what? 40, 50 cents? Even if they cost a dollar per cartridge, 68 dollars isn't a big waste. As far as shooting the guy, they didn't need to shoot him 68 times, but it really doesn't matter... dead is dead.

What I disagree with is that they go to such extremes as to call out 500 officers to hunt him down. When do other murders get such attention? Well then you have to clean the gun so add another buck. Yes I agree, 500 cops when about 450 of them could have been looking for catching other murderers and you could have still had your 68 shot bloodbath for posterity and out of control revenge. Do you think these cops have been watching to many violent video games?

[lilwolf]

callous wrote: lilwolf wrote: callous wrote: adnjacob wrote: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216898,00.html
Quote:
Florida Police Shot Suspected Cop Killer 68 Times
Sunday, October 01, 2006

Angilo Freeland — who was suspected of fatally shooting the deputy after being pulled over for speeding Thursday — was hit 68 times by the SWAT team members' shots, the examination released Saturday showed.

He also was suspected of wounding a deputy and killing a police dog.

Freeland's death ended a nearly 24-hour manhunt that forced schools to lock down and families to stay indoors as about 500 officers scoured the woods.

"I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had," Judd said. "We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back."



A manhunt of 500 officers? Shot 68 times? Why? Because he was a common murderer? No, because he killed a cop.

How many murders are there each day in this country? How many of them get a manhunt consisting of 500 officers?

While I have no objections to hunting down murderers like the animals they are, this incident was absurdly excessive. When any civilian is murdered, they usually do as they were trained. When a cop is killed, they deploy like an army going to battle. They act like the anti-Christ has come. What a joke.

What a superb point. American culture and its reverence for first responders, even though it is appropriate, has created foundations for these thought processes like losing a police officer is equal to losing 4 civilians.

Its a sick way of thinking and its been fostered for a long time. No doubt it is being fostered even more intensely since most law enforcement agencies now are spoon-fed the belief that America in the age of terrorism is the only righteous country.

Tell you what here...you go shoot a cop and see how long your ass lasts...not long. That's like a family and you mess with one you got them all. Slight over kill to say the least :-| but do not harm a cop and expect that you are going to be treated nicely...It is not happening

So what you're saying is that the police are pretty much the mob.



Nope, not at all... Isaid A family not the family Very big difference there. It's just that if someone messes with you, you would probably say okay, but if they mess with your little brother or sister, they have the entire family after them. I hope that cleared that up... :-D