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RooK · Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 2006 Location: SE Kentucky

ikari wrote: I'll disagree when you say that Americans may be inherently more violent, Rook. The majority of Americans are not running into schools shooting kids.

No, but take in what I said. There is a link to be found.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

RooK wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: If it is not the guns, one will have to conclude that Americans are born evil murderers or that they are mentally disturbed. I choose the guns, I don't believe American people are that different from the rest of us.

It's not the guns. Japan has a higher suicide rate than the US and they cannot own guns. Perhaps different cultures are (fathom this)... different. I take it that guns are also responsible for the IEDs and kidnappings in Iraq. I mean Iraqis are not all that different besides religion, values, and social customs. :roll:

Remember the old speech about type A and type B personalities? The US is made of immigrants, mostly those of the type that are more outgoing and thrill seekers, as well as aggressive in their attitudes. Ever considered that Americans are somewhat more violent, but also these are isolated and rare incidents yet get a lot of publicity. Lay off the crack pipe will you?

America is not a violent society, in fact a lot less violent than most but Americans are killing each other at an insane rate.

I live in the western most violent nation from some UN poll, Scotland and yet we have less than half of your murder rate.

Western Europe is where the bulk of the Americans are coming from and yet our murder is nothing compared to yours. Canada and many other countries are populated with migrants and yet their murder rate is nothing compared to America's insane one.

Now look at this American community where the last school shooting take place and tell us that Amish people are thrill seekers, as well as aggressive in their attitudes.

Japan has a traditional suicide problem and does everything it can to reduce it, England had a hooligans problem and introduced very tough regulations for all, Scotland has a knife problem fuelled mainly by alcohol and Scotland too is working very hard at finding solutions with new regulations and set of laws to reduce the problem.

America has an insane murder rate and regular schools shootings and does nothing but stay in denial that it has a problem.

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lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 14180 Location: idaho

Regular school shootings as you state there LL are not that regular and that is a fact. No one need a link to say that one. Ther have been like maybe 25 since 1996 in the US so that is not really a regular occurance.

Nice try. :lol:

Blinky · Joined: 18 Mar 2006 Posts: 2533

lilwolf wrote: Regular school shootings as you state there LL are not that regular and that is a fact. No one need a link to say that one. Ther have been like maybe 25 since 1996 in the US so that is not really a regular occurance.

Nice try. :lol:

Only 25 in the last ten years, eh?
Thats only 25 more than in Australia! You're doing great, lilwolf!

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 14180 Location: idaho

Blinky wrote: lilwolf wrote: Regular school shootings as you state there LL are not that regular and that is a fact. No one need a link to say that one. Ther have been like maybe 25 since 1996 in the US so that is not really a regular occurance.

Nice try. :lol:

Only 25 in the last ten years, eh?
Thats only 25 more than in Australia! You're doing great, lilwolf!

But still not a regular occurance now is it. Hardly an insane rate of killing considering there are probably a few hundred thousand schools in the nation.

But you own crime rates are pretty bad in them selves wouldn't you say.

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21902

http://www.kc3.com/news/britt_aussie_crime.htm

I think that there is a problem there as well :-D

micfranklin · Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:32 am Post subject:

Blinky wrote: lilwolf wrote: Regular school shootings as you state there LL are not that regular and that is a fact. No one need a link to say that one. Ther have been like maybe 25 since 1996 in the US so that is not really a regular occurance.

Nice try. :lol:

Only 25 in the last ten years, eh?
Thats only 25 more than in Australia! You're doing great, lilwolf!

Let's add the numbers up throughout all of the 1900's, shall we?

drBo · Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:22 am Post subject:

It could also be that we have a more diverse population to draw upon. We have a population of 300 million, which means that there is more of a likelyhood that we will get some wacko who wants to go and shoot up a school. If the US was broken up like Europe (like if the CSA won the Civil War) then each country would have a lower rate becuase they don't have as great of a chance of having a freak who will someone.
Europe has a lot of countries with small populations. If you take a deck of cards with 300 million cards in it and a deck of cards with a little over 60 thousand; how much more likely are you to draw an Ace?
I don't think Americans are more violent than Europeans, even with guns. The Europeans don't have the same problem becuase whenever there is something wrong, their governments oppress them so the problem is pushed aside. There are still freaks, and there are still . Now the law-abiding had better be taking kung fu classes or they're toast if they ever meet one of the freaks.

RooK · Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 2006 Location: SE Kentucky

Lucky Luke wrote: I live in the western most violent nation from some UN poll, Scotland and yet we have less than half of your murder rate.

Per capita or in actual number of occurances? More people will die just because we have a larger population.

Also, we have done many things to try and prevent these deaths. The problem is, they're the wrong things. Instead of installing helpless security guards and making schools 'gun free' zones that is unenforcable, we need deterents that work. How about one entrance and exit to the school during daytime hours (after kids have arrived, yet lifted when they leave). Metal detectors around that one door. An armed guard that can buzz you through once your cleared. That might seem extreme, but it will work. Also, because it's only activated once the bell rings, kids can go to and out of school without much delay.

Are we forgetting that some of the school assaults had attackers with bombs? I don't think guns are the problem, something else exists.

mattman42 · Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 661 Location: Maine

Having one available entrance/exit in a school sounds like a bit of a fire hazard to me.

RooK · Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 2006 Location: SE Kentucky

Make the other exits fire doors, locked from the outside and they sound an alarm if opened within certain time frames.

mattman42 · Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 661 Location: Maine

Drop the gun-free school zone laws. Allow those who can be legally armed elsewhere to be legally armed on school property as well. At least it would keep the would-be killers guessing.

RooK · Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 2006 Location: SE Kentucky

They won't do that, you know it. Having teachers that are armed by their own initiative would be best, but schools are usually liberal havens. It won't float.

wyldejackyl · Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 7199 Location: Chicago, IL

Wouldn't it be funny if some kid was carrying an unlicensed handgun to school, no one knew he had it, and he used it to thwart such an attack? It would be even better if no lives were lost!

Schools are soft targets, and always will be. You don't want your kids growing up in a prison-like environment..do you? I don't. Let the teachers carry concealed if they want to, legally, and let the rest of the chips fall as they may. You can have security that isn't obtrusive..it's called parents getting their sh!t together.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

wyldejackyl wrote: Wouldn't it be funny if some kid was carrying an unlicensed handgun to school, no one knew he had it, and he used it to thwart such an attack? It would be even better if no lives were lost!

Schools are soft targets, and always will be. You don't want your kids growing up in a prison-like environment..do you? I don't. Let the teachers carry concealed if they want to, legally, and let the rest of the chips fall as they may. You can have security that isn't obtrusive..it's called parents getting their sh!t together.

True. This year (including the last bloody month of 7 deaths) there have been 9 deaths in school shootings this year. That is very few deaths compared to teh 50 million in schools at this time.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

lilwolf wrote: Regular school shootings as you state there LL are not that regular and that is a fact. No one need a link to say that one. Ther have been like maybe 25 since 1996 in the US so that is not really a regular occurance.

Nice try. :lol:

Two to three a year is very regular indeed and this year seems more regular than normal, it seems to me to be two to three a month!

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