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Snake · Joined: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 21776 Location: e-Thuggin

It is still the responsability of the local government. The Superdome holds no importance because it shouldn't exist, instead, they should have put that money into rebuilding the levees, which were already in sh*tty condition. And again, the avatar is a joke which holds no meaning.

The Newb · Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 2665

Kamel wrote: It is still the responsability of the local government. The Superdome holds no importance because it shouldn't exist, instead, they should have put that money into rebuilding the levees, which were already in sh*tty condition. And again, the avatar is a joke which holds no meaning.

well put spokes peasent

yep but its all bushes fault that the la gov couldnt get priorities straight

thats udder bs and they know it, they just want one more thing to fail him for

Snake · Joined: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 21776 Location: e-Thuggin

And why is 'sippi still in crappy condition? For one, it got hit by a powefull hurricane, if that says nothing to anyone, I'm done here, it takes a lot of time to rebuild, homes don't just make themselves, and given the political climate, it's going to take a good while longer

Kane · Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 10613 Location: Bay Area, CA

Kamel wrote: It is still the responsability of the local government. The Superdome holds no importance because it shouldn't exist, instead, they should have put that money into rebuilding the levees, which were already in sh*tty condition. And again, the avatar is a joke which holds no meaning.

It's still the federal governments responsibility to aid the local government when their capability to respond to their responsibilities is completely diminished.

The Superdome should exist...and now it does. Would you rather they put that little sum of money up for the rebuilding of the levees? It would look miniscule in comparison to the $10 Billion in aid money required for just the repairs...

Repairs

Kane · Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 10613 Location: Bay Area, CA

The Newb wrote: Kamel wrote: It is still the responsability of the local government. The Superdome holds no importance because it shouldn't exist, instead, they should have put that money into rebuilding the levees, which were already in sh*tty condition. And again, the avatar is a joke which holds no meaning.

well put spokes peasent

yep but its all bushes fault that the la gov couldnt get priorities straight

thats udder bs and they know it, they just want one more thing to fail him for

Oh yes, I want it all to fail. :roll:

Could it be...do I blame everyone equally in this situation?

wyldejackyl · Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 7195 Location: Chicago, IL

Speaking of blame..why are the people from NO that you see on the news so pathetic?

"Weez homes all dun been destroyed and we ain't got nothin left to come back to" How about picking up a tool and helping the rebuilding process? So many people complain, then want the government to take care of everything. One would *hope* the government/FEMA contractors or whomever's doing the work would offer these people tax relief in exchange for their labor. Hell, if I didn't have a family and a permanent job, I'd travel down there JUST for those sort of bennies. Maybe they should offer those people an incentive to work, and maybe they wouldn't complain so much?

What's done is done. At least it wasn't a nuke. When that happens it'll be amazing to see just how much our social system collapses.

JohnM · Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 292 Location: SC

You know, you're right. I am sure the people of New Orleans are inspired every morning when they wake up, peek out the window of their house, and see that $184 million stadium staring back at them.

Oh, right, they don't have houses. Well, I am sure that the stadium did something, right?
Kane wrote: Kamel wrote: Kane wrote: That's it, support the idea of open argument. Your avatar suits your stance here... And this is where I stopped reading. The avatar is a joke, and this statement tells me you have nothing to add.

The only focus is on who's to blame, not how to fix it. If you weren't so busy staring at my avatar, you would have gotten that.

:bang:

My god man...

There are other people in this thread that present good reasons for why such a Dome should be rebuilt. That was my point...

I was using your avatar to represent your bias through allocating most of the blame on the local government. The entire state was hit...NO flooded...and you really think the local government can handle the entire situation devoid of Federal assistance? I rest the blame on everybody...

Planning was poor, communication horrid, and precautionary methods obsolete. Excuse me while I argue for the rebuilding of the Superdome.

JohnM · Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 292 Location: SC

I really quit collectively caring for the city after hearing a family friend in the Coast Guard tell some stories about the rescure efforts.

They would be flying around, looking for people to rescue, when all of the sudden, they would see a flashlight. They flew over to the house and dropped off the swimmer/rescuer. Shortly after, he would come back up without anybody else. Apparently, the people were drunk and just wanted the helicopter to see them. This was right when the flooding was beginning in earnest. This happened about 12 times one night.

The Newb · Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 2665

wyldejackyl wrote: Speaking of blame..why are the people from NO that you see on the news so pathetic?

"Weez homes all dun been destroyed and we ain't got nothin left to come back to" How about picking up a tool and helping the rebuilding process? So many people complain, then want the government to take care of everything. One would *hope* the government/FEMA contractors or whomever's doing the work would offer these people tax relief in exchange for their labor. Hell, if I didn't have a family and a permanent job, I'd travel down there JUST for those sort of bennies. Maybe they should offer those people an incentive to work, and maybe they wouldn't complain so much?

What's done is done. At least it wasn't a nuke. When that happens it'll be amazing to see just how much our social system collapses.

you would think jobs would be created fro reconstruction efforts.....

oh wait they would have to want to work first instead of expecting GW to pay for it all

Snake · Joined: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 21776 Location: e-Thuggin

Kane wrote: Kamel wrote: It is still the responsability of the local government. The Superdome holds no importance because it shouldn't exist, instead, they should have put that money into rebuilding the levees, which were already in sh*tty condition. And again, the avatar is a joke which holds no meaning.

It's still the federal governments responsibility to aid the local government when their capability to respond to their responsibilities is completely diminished.

The Superdome should exist...and now it does. Would you rather they put that little sum of money up for the rebuilding of the levees? It would look miniscule in comparison to the $10 Billion in aid money required for just the repairs...

Repairs

:bang: I'm saying the superdome shouldn't have been built in the first place. They chose to build a fuking football stadium over repairing the levees. And the federal government is doing something, and their having a more than difficult time because of Nagans appearent mental retardation.

Kane · Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 10613 Location: Bay Area, CA

JohnM wrote: You know, you're right. I am sure the people of New Orleans are inspired every morning when they wake up, peek out the window of their house, and see that $184 million stadium staring back at them.

Oh, right, they don't have houses. Well, I am sure that the stadium did something, right?
Kane wrote: Kamel wrote: Kane wrote: That's it, support the idea of open argument. Your avatar suits your stance here... And this is where I stopped reading. The avatar is a joke, and this statement tells me you have nothing to add.

The only focus is on who's to blame, not how to fix it. If you weren't so busy staring at my avatar, you would have gotten that.

:bang:

My god man...

There are other people in this thread that present good reasons for why such a Dome should be rebuilt. That was my point...

I was using your avatar to represent your bias through allocating most of the blame on the local government. The entire state was hit...NO flooded...and you really think the local government can handle the entire situation devoid of Federal assistance? I rest the blame on everybody...

Planning was poor, communication horrid, and precautionary methods obsolete. Excuse me while I argue for the rebuilding of the Superdome.

Let me get this straight...

Your blaming the rebuilding of the Superdome as the reason for there being no homes in NO? :-|

$184 Million...at $100,000 per house equates to 1,840 homes built. I'm afraid it's going to take a bit more than that...

Oh, and then there's the insurance question...

Kane · Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 10613 Location: Bay Area, CA

JohnM wrote: I really quit collectively caring for the city after hearing a family friend in the Coast Guard tell some stories about the rescure efforts.

They would be flying around, looking for people to rescue, when all of the sudden, they would see a flashlight. They flew over to the house and dropped off the swimmer/rescuer. Shortly after, he would come back up without anybody else. Apparently, the people were drunk and just wanted the helicopter to see them. This was right when the flooding was beginning in earnest. This happened about 12 times one night.

That's the spirit...abandon them all for the actions of the few. :roll:

Kane · Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 10613 Location: Bay Area, CA

The Newb wrote: wyldejackyl wrote: Speaking of blame..why are the people from NO that you see on the news so pathetic?

"Weez homes all dun been destroyed and we ain't got nothin left to come back to" How about picking up a tool and helping the rebuilding process? So many people complain, then want the government to take care of everything. One would *hope* the government/FEMA contractors or whomever's doing the work would offer these people tax relief in exchange for their labor. Hell, if I didn't have a family and a permanent job, I'd travel down there JUST for those sort of bennies. Maybe they should offer those people an incentive to work, and maybe they wouldn't complain so much?

What's done is done. At least it wasn't a nuke. When that happens it'll be amazing to see just how much our social system collapses.

you would think jobs would be created fro reconstruction efforts.....

oh wait they would have to want to work first instead of expecting GW to pay for it all

Or is it that the labor used there tends to be cheaper than what can be locally found?

Workers

The Newb · Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 2665

Kane wrote: JohnM wrote: You know, you're right. I am sure the people of New Orleans are inspired every morning when they wake up, peek out the window of their house, and see that $184 million stadium staring back at them.

Oh, right, they don't have houses. Well, I am sure that the stadium did something, right?
Kane wrote: Kamel wrote: Kane wrote: That's it, support the idea of open argument. Your avatar suits your stance here... And this is where I stopped reading. The avatar is a joke, and this statement tells me you have nothing to add.

The only focus is on who's to blame, not how to fix it. If you weren't so busy staring at my avatar, you would have gotten that.

:bang:

My god man...

There are other people in this thread that present good reasons for why such a Dome should be rebuilt. That was my point...

I was using your avatar to represent your bias through allocating most of the blame on the local government. The entire state was hit...NO flooded...and you really think the local government can handle the entire situation devoid of Federal assistance? I rest the blame on everybody...

Planning was poor, communication horrid, and precautionary methods obsolete. Excuse me while I argue for the rebuilding of the Superdome.

Let me get this straight...

Your blaming the rebuilding of the Superdome as the reason for there being no homes in NO? :-|

$184 Million...at $100,000 per house equates to 1,840 homes built. I'm afraid it's going to take a bit more than that...

Oh, and then there's the insurance question...

interesting concept.....

but arent 1800 houses better than a football stadium? shouldnt the LA gov show some compassion?

i know the insurance issue:
i got a way to solve it as long as they can show proof that they have a legitamate claim and the company also acknowledges that, the LA gov can give a no interest loan to rebuild, and then collect when the insurance investigation is complete house built people happy

why should GW pay for this? or anyone else it was LA gov's fault anyways let them do the work

Kane · Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 10613 Location: Bay Area, CA

Kamel wrote: Kane wrote: Kamel wrote: It is still the responsability of the local government. The Superdome holds no importance because it shouldn't exist, instead, they should have put that money into rebuilding the levees, which were already in sh*tty condition. And again, the avatar is a joke which holds no meaning.

It's still the federal governments responsibility to aid the local government when their capability to respond to their responsibilities is completely diminished.

The Superdome should exist...and now it does. Would you rather they put that little sum of money up for the rebuilding of the levees? It would look miniscule in comparison to the $10 Billion in aid money required for just the repairs...

Repairs

:bang: I'm saying the superdome shouldn't have been built in the first place. They chose to build a fuking football stadium over repairing the levees.

Really? I would actually argue that both are being done...

Kamel wrote:
And the federal government is doing something, and their having a more than difficult time because of Nagans appearent mental retardation.

No argument here. His rhetoric was funny while it lasted...be he too contributed to the overall problematic situation.

Kane · Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 10613 Location: Bay Area, CA

The Newb wrote: Kane wrote: JohnM wrote: You know, you're right. I am sure the people of New Orleans are inspired every morning when they wake up, peek out the window of their house, and see that $184 million stadium staring back at them.

Oh, right, they don't have houses. Well, I am sure that the stadium did something, right?
Kane wrote: Kamel wrote: Kane wrote: That's it, support the idea of open argument. Your avatar suits your stance here... And this is where I stopped reading. The avatar is a joke, and this statement tells me you have nothing to add.

The only focus is on who's to blame, not how to fix it. If you weren't so busy staring at my avatar, you would have gotten that.

:bang:

My god man...

There are other people in this thread that present good reasons for why such a Dome should be rebuilt. That was my point...

I was using your avatar to represent your bias through allocating most of the blame on the local government. The entire state was hit...NO flooded...and you really think the local government can handle the entire situation devoid of Federal assistance? I rest the blame on everybody...

Planning was poor, communication horrid, and precautionary methods obsolete. Excuse me while I argue for the rebuilding of the Superdome.

Let me get this straight...

Your blaming the rebuilding of the Superdome as the reason for there being no homes in NO? :-|

$184 Million...at $100,000 per house equates to 1,840 homes built. I'm afraid it's going to take a bit more than that...

Oh, and then there's the insurance question...

interesting concept.....

but arent 1800 houses better than a football stadium? shouldnt the LA gov show some compassion?

Sure, he should show some compassion. But he also needs to convince...and provide incentives for those willing to rebuild their entire lives right where they were lost.

The Newb wrote:
i know the insurance issue:
i got a way to solve it as long as they can show proof that they have a legitamate claim and the company also acknowledges that, the LA gov can give a no interest loan to rebuild, and then collect when the insurance investigation is complete house built people happy

why should GW pay for this? or anyone else it was LA gov's fault anyways let them do the work

When did I argue that GW should pay for the rebuilding of the houses? How about the insurance companies?

Snake · Joined: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 21776 Location: e-Thuggin

What I'm trying to say is, that when the levees were in bad need of repair, due to old age. (this is before Katrina and Rita) New Orleans decided it was nessacary to build a stadium, instead of ensuring that the city would go on to exist. There's a lot of nessacary business in NO, from oil to consumer goods. Those were wiped out for a great deal of time. The neglegence is criminal.

The Newb · Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 2665

Kane wrote: The Newb wrote: Kane wrote: JohnM wrote: You know, you're right. I am sure the people of New Orleans are inspired every morning when they wake up, peek out the window of their house, and see that $184 million stadium staring back at them.

Oh, right, they don't have houses. Well, I am sure that the stadium did something, right?
Kane wrote: Kamel wrote: Kane wrote: That's it, support the idea of open argument. Your avatar suits your stance here... And this is where I stopped reading. The avatar is a joke, and this statement tells me you have nothing to add.

The only focus is on who's to blame, not how to fix it. If you weren't so busy staring at my avatar, you would have gotten that.

:bang:

My god man...

There are other people in this thread that present good reasons for why such a Dome should be rebuilt. That was my point...

I was using your avatar to represent your bias through allocating most of the blame on the local government. The entire state was hit...NO flooded...and you really think the local government can handle the entire situation devoid of Federal assistance? I rest the blame on everybody...

Planning was poor, communication horrid, and precautionary methods obsolete. Excuse me while I argue for the rebuilding of the Superdome.

Let me get this straight...

Your blaming the rebuilding of the Superdome as the reason for there being no homes in NO? :-|

$184 Million...at $100,000 per house equates to 1,840 homes built. I'm afraid it's going to take a bit more than that...

Oh, and then there's the insurance question...

interesting concept.....

but arent 1800 houses better than a football stadium? shouldnt the LA gov show some compassion?

Sure, he should show some compassion. But he also needs to convince...and provide incentives for those willing to rebuild their entire lives right where they were lost.

The Newb wrote:
i know the insurance issue:
i got a way to solve it as long as they can show proof that they have a legitamate claim and the company also acknowledges that, the LA gov can give a no interest loan to rebuild, and then collect when the insurance investigation is complete house built people happy

why should GW pay for this? or anyone else it was LA gov's fault anyways let them do the work

When did I argue that GW should pay for the rebuilding of the houses? How about the insurance companies?

Quote: It's still the federal governments responsibility to aid the local government when their capability to respond to their responsibilities is completely diminished

Kane · Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 10613 Location: Bay Area, CA

Kamel wrote: What I'm trying to say is, that when the levees were in bad need of repair, due to old age. (this is before Katrina and Rita) New Orleans decided it was nessacary to build a stadium, instead of ensuring that the city would go on to exist. There's a lot of nessacary business in NO, from oil to consumer goods. Those were wiped out for a great deal of time. The neglegence is criminal.

I doubt that New Orleans could even afford to build a new levee system back then. The estimated $10 Billion for just repairs paired with a speculative $40 Billion cost of repairs and the building of a completely new system leaves $30 Billion. That's damn expensive...

Look at California. We just love taking out our Billion dollar bonds...and we're the 6th largest economy in the world.

I'm willing to bet, that New Orleans let alone the entire state of Louisiana can't afford to pay off such astronomical bonds.

Kane · Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 10613 Location: Bay Area, CA

The Newb wrote: Kane wrote: The Newb wrote: Kane wrote: JohnM wrote: You know, you're right. I am sure the people of New Orleans are inspired every morning when they wake up, peek out the window of their house, and see that $184 million stadium staring back at them.

Oh, right, they don't have houses. Well, I am sure that the stadium did something, right?
Kane wrote: Kamel wrote: Kane wrote: That's it, support the idea of open argument. Your avatar suits your stance here... And this is where I stopped reading. The avatar is a joke, and this statement tells me you have nothing to add.

The only focus is on who's to blame, not how to fix it. If you weren't so busy staring at my avatar, you would have gotten that.

:bang:

My god man...

There are other people in this thread that present good reasons for why such a Dome should be rebuilt. That was my point...

I was using your avatar to represent your bias through allocating most of the blame on the local government. The entire state was hit...NO flooded...and you really think the local government can handle the entire situation devoid of Federal assistance? I rest the blame on everybody...

Planning was poor, communication horrid, and precautionary methods obsolete. Excuse me while I argue for the rebuilding of the Superdome.

Let me get this straight...

Your blaming the rebuilding of the Superdome as the reason for there being no homes in NO? :-|

$184 Million...at $100,000 per house equates to 1,840 homes built. I'm afraid it's going to take a bit more than that...

Oh, and then there's the insurance question...

interesting concept.....

but arent 1800 houses better than a football stadium? shouldnt the LA gov show some compassion?

Sure, he should show some compassion. But he also needs to convince...and provide incentives for those willing to rebuild their entire lives right where they were lost.

The Newb wrote:
i know the insurance issue:
i got a way to solve it as long as they can show proof that they have a legitamate claim and the company also acknowledges that, the LA gov can give a no interest loan to rebuild, and then collect when the insurance investigation is complete house built people happy

why should GW pay for this? or anyone else it was LA gov's fault anyways let them do the work

When did I argue that GW should pay for the rebuilding of the houses? How about the insurance companies?

Quote: It's still the federal governments responsibility to aid the local government when their capability to respond to their responsibilities is completely diminished

This was in reference to the Superdome...not housing...and the federal government, while covering the majority of the cost, did not take it all.