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thintheherd · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject:

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

Because you gave up guns LL....you guys surrendered yours

What you rather give up Lilwolf, some guns or some human lives?
The price of liberty is often blood, and rightly so.

micfranklin · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:19 pm Post subject:

thintheherd wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

Because you gave up guns LL....you guys surrendered yours

What you rather give up Lilwolf, some guns or some human lives?
The price of liberty is often blood, and rightly so.

"Freedom isn't free"

Don't know who said that, but they made a good point.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

lilwolf wrote:
Surrendering our rights to have your version of gun cintrol is tantamount to suicide. It would shred the neitre constitution and then where are we. We are then at the mercy of 2 sources of danger. 1 is the bad guys would have guns and there would be well over 100 million of them because law abiders woudl then become criminals and why?.....because they will not surrender their guns.....unacceptable choice there.

The second is that then we as americans have no way or means short of was to keep a government in check and we become subjects of a tyrannical government. ...... Unacceptable choice there as well.

There can be no acceptable gun laws in the manner you want without an ugly fight. That is why we have what is called the VOTE.

With 44 states and climbing the chances of your version of gun cuntrol will not likely see light any time soon.

Says the poster in a thread where the lack of gun control has proved to be a fatal mistake, again.

You are talking about deaths that may happen when we can all see how many are lost today.

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Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

thintheherd wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

Because you gave up guns LL....you guys surrendered yours

What you rather give up Lilwolf, some guns or some human lives?
The price of liberty is often blood, and rightly so.

As far as it is not yours you are quite happy with the arrangement, I understand that much.

Thintheherd your quote means that the price of one's liberty is often one's own blood, not the blood of others!

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Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

evil muppet wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The Comrade wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The Comrade wrote:

umm doesn't the UK have a a super strict gun policy?

that would explain why people don't bring guns to school over there.

You got it in one The Comrade, gun control is the answer, it works!

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strict gun control is borderline unconstitutional.

Not according to many people who interpret the constitution differently than you do and anyway it would be a very small price to pay in these circumstances.

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Well those individuals will someday be swing from the end of a rope. They are probably the same semi-literate fools you are getting your 'evidence' and 'facts' from.

The last US Attorney General?

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Anarko-Kapitalizt · Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 2517

micfranklin wrote: thintheherd wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

Because you gave up guns LL....you guys surrendered yours

What you rather give up Lilwolf, some guns or some human lives?
The price of liberty is often blood, and rightly so.

"Freedom isn't free"

Don't know who said that, but they made a good point.

And the more freedom you have, the safer you will be.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

Anarko-Kapitalizt wrote: micfranklin wrote: thintheherd wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

Because you gave up guns LL....you guys surrendered yours

What you rather give up Lilwolf, some guns or some human lives?
The price of liberty is often blood, and rightly so.

"Freedom isn't free"

Don't know who said that, but they made a good point.

And the more freedom you have, the safer you will be.

Sorry Anarko-Kapitalizt, not in this case that we know.

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The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

lucky luke you did not answer my question.

how many of your rights and freedoms are you willing to give up to become "safe"?

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

The Comrade wrote: lucky luke you did not answer my question.

how many of your rights and freedoms are you willing to give up to become "safe"?

I believe that in any life loving western democratic country with a murder rate over 3 per 100,000 should really think about regulating more the control of the main weapon used to generate such a murder rate.

Here in Scotland our murder rate is far too high. Having the murder capital of western Europe for second city we do actively regulate further the use and sale of our main murder weapon all over the nation and yet our murder rate is less than half of yours.

This is indeed a very little price to pay in order to save a great amount of lives. The reaction of gun lovers in America reminds me of the reaction of people here in Europe hating to wear that car safety belt coming from America. This is not an issue now, people learn to understand that wearing a safety belt is not an attack on personal freedom like some made them to believe.

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lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 14180 Location: idaho

As what someone here said" freedom is not free".

In order to keep our freedoms and maintain a free will and remain out from under a tyranny..... I will guarentee that people will die to keep the freedom that we have.

We here will not surrender our rights and no one can ever take them away.

If we were to surrender our rights to keep arms then you are going to have 100 million + illegal gun owners in this nation. Now lets say there are 300 million guns and after 20 years people have been killed by the thousands because they have no way to protect themselves any longer.

Those numbers are unacceptable LL and it will never be allowed by any american with a lick of common sense.

So in answer to your question.... yes I would allow lives to die to maintain the rights and freedoms that we have to benfit all who want freedom. To surrender as you want is not being free.
To give up our rights in the 2nd is the same as suicide and that is wrong. All 50 states have now taken or are taking steps to strengthen the 2nd in their state constitutions to prevent it from being taken away.

So, you lose on that one LL.

With the passing of HR bill 5013 yesterday that protects the american people from illegal confiscation that is another nail in your coffin and that of the bozos that would attempt to take away our right to keep and bear arms

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

Lucky Luke wrote: The Comrade wrote: lucky luke you did not answer my question.

how many of your rights and freedoms are you willing to give up to become "safe"?

I believe that in any life loving western democratic country with a murder rate over 3 per 100,000 should really think about regulating more the control of the main weapon used to generate such a murder rate.

Here in Scotland our murder rate is far too high. Having the murder capital of western Europe for second city we do actively regulate further the use and sale of our main murder weapon all over the nation and yet our murder rate is less than half of yours.

This is indeed a very little price to pay in order to save a great amount of lives. The reaction of gun lovers in America reminds me of the reaction of people here in Europe hating to wear that car safety belt coming from America. This is not an issue now, people learn to understand that wearing a safety belt is not an attack on personal freedom like some made them to believe.

i'll hang before one of the most basic rights in the constitution is disregarded like you suggest.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

The Comrade let's see you answer this question now.

How many American lives are you willing to sacrifice a year, every year, year after year in order up to avoid gun control to become borderline unconstitutional?

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The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

Lucky Luke wrote: The Comrade let's see you answer this question now.

How many American lives are you willing to sacrifice a year, every year, year after year in order up to avoid gun control to become borderline unconstitutional?

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as many as it takes to keep america from falling into the hands of tyranny.

cars and heart diseae kill many more people a year in america.

do you agree with banning cars and greasey food?

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

The Comrade wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The Comrade wrote: lucky luke you did not answer my question.

how many of your rights and freedoms are you willing to give up to become "safe"?

I believe that in any life loving western democratic country with a murder rate over 3 per 100,000 should really think about regulating more the control of the main weapon used to generate such a murder rate.

Here in Scotland our murder rate is far too high. Having the murder capital of western Europe for second city we do actively regulate further the use and sale of our main murder weapon all over the nation and yet our murder rate is less than half of yours.

This is indeed a very little price to pay in order to save a great amount of lives. The reaction of gun lovers in America reminds me of the reaction of people here in Europe hating to wear that car safety belt coming from America. This is not an issue now, people learn to understand that wearing a safety belt is not an attack on personal freedom like some made them to believe.

i'll hang before one of the most basic rights in the constitution is disregarded like you suggest.

May I remind you that strict gun control was said to be borderline unconstitutional, not that "the most basic rights in the constitution is disregarded like I suggest"?

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The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

Lucky Luke wrote: May I remind you that strict gun control was said to be borderline unconstitutional, not that "the most basic rights in the constitution is disregarded like I suggest"?

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Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

lilwolf wrote: As what someone here said" freedom is not free".

In order to keep our freedoms and maintain a free will and remain out from under a tyranny..... I will guarentee that people will die to keep the freedom that we have.

We here will not surrender our rights and no one can ever take them away.

If we were to surrender our rights to keep arms then you are going to have 100 million + illegal gun owners in this nation. Now lets say there are 300 million guns and after 20 years people have been killed by the thousands because they have no way to protect themselves any longer.

Those numbers are unacceptable LL and it will never be allowed by any american with a lick of common sense.

So in answer to your question.... yes I would allow lives to die to maintain the rights and freedoms that we have to benfit all who want freedom. To surrender as you want is not being free.
To give up our rights in the 2nd is the same as suicide and that is wrong. All 50 states have now taken or are taking steps to strengthen the 2nd in their state constitutions to prevent it from being taken away.

So, you lose on that one LL.

With the passing of HR bill 5013 yesterday that protects the american people from illegal confiscation that is another nail in your coffin and that of the bozos that would attempt to take away our right to keep and bear arms

You are right Lilwolf, your numbers are unacceptable.

I suggest that you forget about some bloodshed you are planning for America in your head and look at the bloodshed that is really happening in reality, today.

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Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

The Comrade wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The Comrade let's see you answer this question now.

How many American lives are you willing to sacrifice a year, every year, year after year in order up to avoid gun control to become borderline unconstitutional?

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as many as it takes to keep america from falling into the hands of tyranny.

cars and heart diseae kill many more people a year in america.

do you agree with banning cars and greasey food?

How many is that The Comrade, 100, 1000, 100000, 1, you?

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The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

Lucky Luke wrote: The Comrade wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The Comrade let's see you answer this question now.

How many American lives are you willing to sacrifice a year, every year, year after year in order up to avoid gun control to become borderline unconstitutional?

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as many as it takes to keep america from falling into the hands of tyranny.

cars and heart diseae kill many more people a year in america.

do you agree with banning cars and greasey food?

How many is that The Comrade, 100, 1000, 100000, 1, you?

Quote: as many as it takes to keep america from falling into the hands of tyranny.

now answer my question lucky luke. should cars and greasy food be banned?

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

The Comrade wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: May I remind you that strict gun control was said to be borderline unconstitutional, not that "the most basic rights in the constitution is disregarded like I suggest"?

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You wrote first that strict gun control was borderline unconstitutional, now you write that I suggest that "the most basic rights in the constitution is disregarded".
Calm down The Comrade we are only talking about stricter gun control laws, don't hang yourself yet!

I thought that borderline unconstitutional was quite okay considering what is happening in American schools today and with the murder rate going back up it would deliver a strong message to gun nuts wannabe murders that law abiding citizens who love their guns are not ready to stand still when murders are committed with firearms to a record percentage of all murders committed.

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Jefferson · Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 3180

Lucky Luke wrote: The Comrade wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The Comrade wrote: lucky luke you did not answer my question.

how many of your rights and freedoms are you willing to give up to become "safe"?

I believe that in any life loving western democratic country with a murder rate over 3 per 100,000 should really think about regulating more the control of the main weapon used to generate such a murder rate.

Here in Scotland our murder rate is far too high. Having the murder capital of western Europe for second city we do actively regulate further the use and sale of our main murder weapon all over the nation and yet our murder rate is less than half of yours.

This is indeed a very little price to pay in order to save a great amount of lives. The reaction of gun lovers in America reminds me of the reaction of people here in Europe hating to wear that car safety belt coming from America. This is not an issue now, people learn to understand that wearing a safety belt is not an attack on personal freedom like some made them to believe.

i'll hang before one of the most basic rights in the constitution is disregarded like you suggest.

May I remind you that strict gun control was said to be borderline unconstitutional, not that "the most basic rights in the constitution is disregarded like I suggest"?

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Sounds to me like it is time to use guns and get then back. Why? No else is going to get them back? Right? Is the UN going to come over and get them for me? Or do I need to take them back myself?