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[Lucky Luke]

BastionOfSanity wrote: How the f**k is a ninth grader already pissed off enough at their principal to shoot them? We've been in school for a month. Maybe 2 for some.

All kids are pissed of at their principal, their teachers, the other kids in the school, their parents, their friends at one time or another. Only in America have they got the idea to grab a gun and to do something about it in a regularly basis, ask yourself why BastionOfSanity.

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[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote:

Laws govern business aspects of gun sales and do not regulate what a person does in private sales. Federal laws are what they are and they are working pretty good.
There really is a lot of precautions that people take when selling a gun.
I bought a pre ban AK the other day, and I signed a paper that the seller wnated so he could turn it in to show sales transfer. Not everyone does that but it was his choice and I had no problem.

There is no logical answer to the second part of your question. Rephrase it into something that is not a catch 22 okay and I might try it on (might LL).
As long as it is not one of your usual spin games you love so much.

Why not regulating private sales the way business sales are regulated? Why should private people have an unfair advantage over businesses? Is America against businesses?

You, as a private person selling can choose to follow or not the regulations imposed on businesses making the same transactions that you do, why such unfair advantage? This is not a free competitive market at all.

What is stopping a gun dealer to close his business and to sell his guns privately instead Lilwolf?
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[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

Laws govern business aspects of gun sales and do not regulate what a person does in private sales. Federal laws are what they are and they are working pretty good.
There really is a lot of precautions that people take when selling a gun.
I bought a pre ban AK the other day, and I signed a paper that the seller wnated so he could turn it in to show sales transfer. Not everyone does that but it was his choice and I had no problem.

There is no logical answer to the second part of your question. Rephrase it into something that is not a catch 22 okay and I might try it on (might LL).
As long as it is not one of your usual spin games you love so much.

Why not regulating private sales the way business sales are regulated? Why should private people have an unfair advantage over businesses? Is America against businesses?

You, as a private person selling can choose to follow or not the regulations imposed on businesses making the same transactions that you do, why such unfair advantage? This is not a free competitive market at all.

What is stopping a gun dealer to close his business and to sell his guns privately instead Lilwolf?
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Think about it LL. If you start regulating private sales of guns, why not everything. If doing this violates privacy and all why do it at all. What people sell in their own privacy ...like at a yard sale or a news paper ad is not what the govt. does.
There is no unfair advantage over businesses. I do not see where it could be . The laws regulate everything involving a gun within the confines of a business, and those laws only apply to businesses that have a license and the tax numbers that are for state and fed taxes. That is called income tax. You cannot regulate private sales, bcause no one would claim the money they make.

There is actually a great deal preventing a business from selling in private. Federal law governs all sales from stores. That is what the congress wanted and they got. They never wanted to regulate people in private sales and will not do so. The business owner can sell in private but not as a business, due to regulations in the form of gun control.

Nothing complicated about it.

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote:

Think about it LL. If you start regulating private sales of guns, why not everything. If doing this violates privacy and all why do it at all. What people sell in their own privacy ...like at a yard sale or a news paper ad is not what the govt. does.
There is no unfair advantage over businesses. I do not see where it could be . The laws regulate everything involving a gun within the confines of a business, and those laws only apply to businesses that have a license and the tax numbers that are for state and fed taxes. That is called income tax. You cannot regulate private sales, bcause no one would claim the money they make.

There is actually a great deal preventing a business from selling in private. Federal law governs all sales from stores. That is what the congress wanted and they got. They never wanted to regulate people in private sales and will not do so. The business owner can sell in private but not as a business, due to regulations in the form of gun control.

Nothing complicated about it.

I am not talking about tax regulations but about safety regulations.

The state cannot prevent a gun dealer to shut shop and to sell privately instead.

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[perdidochas]

Lucky Luke wrote: BastionOfSanity wrote: How the f**k is a ninth grader already pissed off enough at their principal to shoot them? We've been in school for a month. Maybe 2 for some.

All kids are pissed of at their principal, their teachers, the other kids in the school, their parents, their friends at one time or another. Only in America have they got the idea to grab a gun and to do something about it in a regularly basis, ask yourself why BastionOfSanity.

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Not only in America. It has been done in Germany, Canada, Germany, the Netherlands, Bosnia-Herzegovina, and Argentina. If you look at the German statistics per capita, it's similar in terms of number of deaths per capita, as in America.

[perdidochas]

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

Think about it LL. If you start regulating private sales of guns, why not everything. If doing this violates privacy and all why do it at all. What people sell in their own privacy ...like at a yard sale or a news paper ad is not what the govt. does.
There is no unfair advantage over businesses. I do not see where it could be . The laws regulate everything involving a gun within the confines of a business, and those laws only apply to businesses that have a license and the tax numbers that are for state and fed taxes. That is called income tax. You cannot regulate private sales, bcause no one would claim the money they make.

There is actually a great deal preventing a business from selling in private. Federal law governs all sales from stores. That is what the congress wanted and they got. They never wanted to regulate people in private sales and will not do so. The business owner can sell in private but not as a business, due to regulations in the form of gun control.

Nothing complicated about it.

I am not talking about tax regulations but about safety regulations.

The state cannot prevent a gun dealer to shut shop and to sell privately instead.

Well, yes and no. Only a dealer can buy guns from the manufacturer or the distributor. I can't go to Smith and Wesson and directly buy guns.

[lilwolf]

perdidochas wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

Think about it LL. If you start regulating private sales of guns, why not everything. If doing this violates privacy and all why do it at all. What people sell in their own privacy ...like at a yard sale or a news paper ad is not what the govt. does.
There is no unfair advantage over businesses. I do not see where it could be . The laws regulate everything involving a gun within the confines of a business, and those laws only apply to businesses that have a license and the tax numbers that are for state and fed taxes. That is called income tax. You cannot regulate private sales, bcause no one would claim the money they make.

There is actually a great deal preventing a business from selling in private. Federal law governs all sales from stores. That is what the congress wanted and they got. They never wanted to regulate people in private sales and will not do so. The business owner can sell in private but not as a business, due to regulations in the form of gun control.

Nothing complicated about it.

I am not talking about tax regulations but about safety regulations.

The state cannot prevent a gun dealer to shut shop and to sell privately instead.

Well, yes and no. Only a dealer can buy guns from the manufacturer or the distributor. I can't go to Smith and Wesson and directly buy guns.


You beat me to it perdidochas. You are dead on the money. As a licensed FFL businessman I can go buy from the makers, but I think he is wanting to shut the dealers and makers down and then starve the private owners out. Simply would not work, because the gun industry is way to huge and their is a big thing in it all.....money. The big makers are not going to lose money over this type of thing. Most all of the makers are based in europe and south america if I am not mistaken.

[perdidochas]

lilwolf wrote: perdidochas wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

Think about it LL. If you start regulating private sales of guns, why not everything. If doing this violates privacy and all why do it at all. What people sell in their own privacy ...like at a yard sale or a news paper ad is not what the govt. does.
There is no unfair advantage over businesses. I do not see where it could be . The laws regulate everything involving a gun within the confines of a business, and those laws only apply to businesses that have a license and the tax numbers that are for state and fed taxes. That is called income tax. You cannot regulate private sales, bcause no one would claim the money they make.

There is actually a great deal preventing a business from selling in private. Federal law governs all sales from stores. That is what the congress wanted and they got. They never wanted to regulate people in private sales and will not do so. The business owner can sell in private but not as a business, due to regulations in the form of gun control.

Nothing complicated about it.

I am not talking about tax regulations but about safety regulations.

The state cannot prevent a gun dealer to shut shop and to sell privately instead.

Well, yes and no. Only a dealer can buy guns from the manufacturer or the distributor. I can't go to Smith and Wesson and directly buy guns.


You beat me to it perdidochas. You are dead on the money. As a licensed FFL businessman I can go buy from the makers, but I think he is wanting to shut the dealers and makers down and then starve the private owners out. Simply would not work, because the gun industry is way to huge and their is a big thing in it all.....money. The big makers are not going to lose money over this type of thing. Most all of the makers are based in europe and south america if I am not mistaken.

That's not what he was saying. he was saying that nothing would stop a gun dealer from turning around and selling as a private citizen.

[lilwolf]

I was thinking back to one of his other statements about phasing out guns altogether, which is why I made that statement about removing guns.

Well, the only thing that stops from selling to just anyone is good laws that require checks and balances to be made. But you are right if he shuts down he is no longer a dealer and is only a private citizen.

Thus leading to eventual phasing out of guns by removing the license and then over time there would be no guns. That is based on one of his previous statements.

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I fail to see how any such ban could be enforced, look at the war on drugs and tell me how effective it is at stopping tons of cocaine from entering the U.S., hell thats what the DEA is commited torwards.