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britboy wrote: Now, it is a common argument used by the pro-gunners that criminals are gonna have weapons whatever we do -- legislate them or not. So we should dole them out to anyone that wants them to protect themselves.

Now I dispute this. And this is my argument of the day .. if criminals COULD get hold of weapons through smuggling etc even if they were illegal in the states .. why haven't terrorists done more nerve-gas attacks on cities in America?

I mean -- firstly, a lot of pro-gunners state criminals WILL HAVE weapons they want to have - through smuggling, thievery, etc. so we need to be protected from them. Yet criminals generally seem to me to be fairly much restricted to what is sold to Joe Public. Wouldn't you agree?

If I was Al-Que-Karum, Mr Crazy Militant -- I wouldn't want to kill 20 people by blowing myself up -- I'd want to kill 600,000 people using a nerve agent (or something). But I think I couldn't get hold of this weapon.

I bet you I could get hold of nerve agent if it was sold legally in little canisters (never to be legally used) to anyone that fancied a canister for their mantlepeice at home.

Why can the criminals get hold of guns, but not nerve agent?
They used nerve gas in the Tokyo sub way remember? Not to mention that they didn't buy it either, they made it. A bomb is easier to make and use, so a bomb would be a more logical choice.

[criticalstriker]

airo wrote: criticalstriker wrote: Hey, i have seen a few people ask "how would nerve gas be more lethal than guns". Im not an expert but if you had say 15 canisters of nerve agents (lets just say you got a hold of them) now if you were smart you would split that nerve gas up (with out killing your self -.-) into smaller time released ones. After that in the night you break into schools, library's any where with large gatherings of people. you set the first timer to go off at around 2:00 pm (prime time for most places i believe if not then set if for that time) then the next timer would go off at 2:30 pm then 3:00 pm so that the police and evac groups don't have time to respond as they are rushing to one another goes off causing what i would assume to be large scale death (depending on winds etc.) Any way like i said I'm not an expert (and i would hate to be one).

But that's just the thing... If you're using 15 canisters of nerve agent, you've got to use an equal volume of an explosive conventional weapon to balance out the comparison.

15 canisters of something like C4 is a A LOT of explosives.


Thats true but no matter how you plce the explosives its still localized, unlike a nerve agent that travels with the air some times for hundreds of feet.

[airo]

criticalstriker wrote: airo wrote: criticalstriker wrote: Hey, i have seen a few people ask "how would nerve gas be more lethal than guns". Im not an expert but if you had say 15 canisters of nerve agents (lets just say you got a hold of them) now if you were smart you would split that nerve gas up (with out killing your self -.-) into smaller time released ones. After that in the night you break into schools, library's any where with large gatherings of people. you set the first timer to go off at around 2:00 pm (prime time for most places i believe if not then set if for that time) then the next timer would go off at 2:30 pm then 3:00 pm so that the police and evac groups don't have time to respond as they are rushing to one another goes off causing what i would assume to be large scale death (depending on winds etc.) Any way like i said I'm not an expert (and i would hate to be one).

But that's just the thing... If you're using 15 canisters of nerve agent, you've got to use an equal volume of an explosive conventional weapon to balance out the comparison.

15 canisters of something like C4 is a A LOT of explosives.


Thats true but no matter how you plce the explosives its still localized, unlike a nerve agent that travels with the air some times for hundreds of feet. Never agent's don't just travel hundreds of feet.

A lot of things factor into this, such as the agent being used, wind conditions, conditions of the area in which the agent was used, and finally, and probably the most important, how fast the agent defuses in the environment.

The sarin attacks on the Japanese subway are a prime example how ineffective chemical agents can be. Despite being the ideal situation for deployment of a chemical weapon, only 23 people were killed. Had they chosen conventional weapons, i would say possibly hundreds would be dead. Some people standing NEXT to the deployed packets of sarin were fine.

Chemical weapons aren't the baby-killing doom machines everyone points them out to be. But, then again, if that was commonly known, then Bush wouldn't have a reason to invade foreign countries, now woul he?

[perdidochas]

criticalstriker wrote: airo wrote: criticalstriker wrote: Hey, i have seen a few people ask "how would nerve gas be more lethal than guns". Im not an expert but if you had say 15 canisters of nerve agents (lets just say you got a hold of them) now if you were smart you would split that nerve gas up (with out killing your self -.-) into smaller time released ones. After that in the night you break into schools, library's any where with large gatherings of people. you set the first timer to go off at around 2:00 pm (prime time for most places i believe if not then set if for that time) then the next timer would go off at 2:30 pm then 3:00 pm so that the police and evac groups don't have time to respond as they are rushing to one another goes off causing what i would assume to be large scale death (depending on winds etc.) Any way like i said I'm not an expert (and i would hate to be one).

But that's just the thing... If you're using 15 canisters of nerve agent, you've got to use an equal volume of an explosive conventional weapon to balance out the comparison.

15 canisters of something like C4 is a A LOT of explosives.


Thats true but no matter how you plce the explosives its still localized, unlike a nerve agent that travels with the air some times for hundreds of feet.

Explosives also kill hundreds of feet away.