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psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Todd D. wrote: Quote: Actually,Bin Laden said that he nor his group did NOT have anything to do with 911.
I'm sorry, but if you are questioning George Bush, Don Rumsfield, Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton, and the entire FBI and CIA, why the f**k are you taking Osama Bin Laden's word on this?

Secondly, no, that's not true. In October of 2004 he made very clear statements that accepted responsibility for the 9/11 attacks.
It's not a matter of taking OBL's "word" for anything..

It's a matter of looking at the evidence, and seeing that George Bush, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton, the entire FBI and CIA -- as well as most of the Pentagon, General Meyers, General Arnold, most of NORAD, Michael Chertoff, Barbara Bodine, Thomas Kean and a bevy of other insider co-conspirators are infinitely more likely to have played keys roles in the planning, execution and subsequent coverup of 9/11 than OBL and his cohorts ever did.

You're living in 1936 Berlin right now..

Ignore this at your own peril.

Todd D. · Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject:

Quote: It's not a matter of taking OBL's "word" for anything..
When NIST comes out with a report that discusses what they feel was the cause of the disaster, people pick it apart and quote it ad nauseum (oftentimes out of context), questioning every little tiny statement made in it.

When Osama Bin Laden tells you that he had nothing to do with 9/11, despite having an incredibly obvious reason to deny it, and despite admitting to it later, you take it as gospel.

So yes, you are taking Osama Bin Laden at his word.

Quote: You're living in 1936 Berlin right now..

Ignore this at your own peril.
You know, it's amazing to me that people are constantly warning against false flag operations, designed specifically to get a population so scared that they will give up their liberties out of terror and fright, complicit in their own destruction due entirely to petrifying fear, and criticizing the government for trying to use such actions....

...and then those same people draw direct analogies to what is almost universally viewed upon as the most morally bankrupt government in at least the last 250 years.

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6865 Location: Denver, CO

psholtz wrote: Todd D. wrote: Quote: Actually,Bin Laden said that he nor his group did NOT have anything to do with 911.
I'm sorry, but if you are questioning George Bush, Don Rumsfield, Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton, and the entire FBI and CIA, why the f**k are you taking Osama Bin Laden's word on this?

Secondly, no, that's not true. In October of 2004 he made very clear statements that accepted responsibility for the 9/11 attacks.
It's not a matter of taking OBL's "word" for anything..

It's a matter of looking at the evidence, and seeing that George Bush, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton, the entire FBI and CIA -- as well as most of the Pentagon, General Meyers, General Arnold, most of NORAD, Michael Chertoff, Barbara Bodine, Thomas Kean and a bevy of other insider co-conspirators are infinitely more likely to have played keys roles in the planning, execution and subsequent coverup of 9/11 than OBL and his cohorts ever did.

You're living in 1936 Berlin right now..

Ignore this at your own peril.

What evidence. We are still waiting for you to produce all this evidence you claim to have, but for some unknown reason are unwilling/unable to produce. I am betting it is because you have no proof other than your own paranoid delusions and are just hoping beyond hope everyone will just believe you because you are oh so trustworthy. :lol:

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Todd D. wrote: Quote: Actually,Bin Laden said that he nor his group did NOT have anything to do with 911.
I'm sorry, but if you are questioning George Bush, Don Rumsfield, Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton, and the entire FBI and CIA, why the f**k are you taking Osama Bin Laden's word on this?

Secondly, no, that's not true. In October of 2004 he made very clear statements that accepted responsibility for the 9/11 attacks.
It's not a matter of taking OBL's "word" for anything..

It's a matter of looking at the evidence, and seeing that George Bush, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton, the entire FBI and CIA -- as well as most of the Pentagon, General Meyers, General Arnold, most of NORAD, Michael Chertoff, Barbara Bodine, Thomas Kean and a bevy of other insider co-conspirators are infinitely more likely to have played keys roles in the planning, execution and subsequent coverup of 9/11 than OBL and his cohorts ever did.

You're living in 1936 Berlin right now..

Ignore this at your own peril.

What evidence. We are still waiting for you to produce all this evidence you claim to have, but for some unknown reason are unwilling/unable to produce. I am betting it is because you have no proof other than your own paranoid delusions and are just hoping beyond hope everyone will just believe you because you are oh so trustworthy. :lol:
My concerns may be paranoid, but they are not delusional.

America is already lost.

You are living in Berlin, 1936 right now.

I've prepared myself.. are you ready?

NAB · Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject:

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Todd D. wrote: Quote: Actually,Bin Laden said that he nor his group did NOT have anything to do with 911.
I'm sorry, but if you are questioning George Bush, Don Rumsfield, Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton, and the entire FBI and CIA, why the f**k are you taking Osama Bin Laden's word on this?

Secondly, no, that's not true. In October of 2004 he made very clear statements that accepted responsibility for the 9/11 attacks.
It's not a matter of taking OBL's "word" for anything..

It's a matter of looking at the evidence, and seeing that George Bush, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton, the entire FBI and CIA -- as well as most of the Pentagon, General Meyers, General Arnold, most of NORAD, Michael Chertoff, Barbara Bodine, Thomas Kean and a bevy of other insider co-conspirators are infinitely more likely to have played keys roles in the planning, execution and subsequent coverup of 9/11 than OBL and his cohorts ever did.

You're living in 1936 Berlin right now..

Ignore this at your own peril.

What evidence. We are still waiting for you to produce all this evidence you claim to have, but for some unknown reason are unwilling/unable to produce. I am betting it is because you have no proof other than your own paranoid delusions and are just hoping beyond hope everyone will just believe you because you are oh so trustworthy. :lol:
My concerns may be paranoid, but they are not delusional.

America is already lost.

You are living in Berlin, 1936 right now.

I've prepared myself.. are you ready?

I wonder if it should be a rule that a thread has officially come to an end when the Nazi Germany comparisons start becoming a statement of "fact". :think:

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Todd D. wrote: Quote: It's not a matter of taking OBL's "word" for anything..
When NIST comes out with a report that discusses what they feel was the cause of the disaster, people pick it apart and quote it ad nauseum (oftentimes out of context), questioning every little tiny statement made in it.

When Osama Bin Laden tells you that he had nothing to do with 9/11, despite having an incredibly obvious reason to deny it, and despite admitting to it later, you take it as gospel.

So yes, you are taking Osama Bin Laden at his word.
So you admit that the real OBL really did deny involvement in 9/11??

And you admit that all these "Osama bin Laden" tapes we've been shown, the ones where he's overweight and speaking Arabic w/ an American accent, where OBL "accepts" responsbility for 9/11, are just CIA disinformation designed to mislead the American public?

Because based on how you phrased your response, it sure seems that you believe these things..

Perhaps your subconscious is betraying to us that you really *do* know and acknowledge the Truth, even though your conscious mind refuses to acknowledge the horror of it..

Todd D. · Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:04 pm Post subject:

Quote: So you admit that the real OBL really did deny involvement in 9/11??
In the wake of 9/11, the Taliban was still in power. Facing US invasion Osama knew as anyone did that the Taliban would gladly hand him over if it meant that they could stay in power (we know that Afghanistan offered such a deal mere hours after the attacks). His initial denial was an attempt to get the Afghani government to take his side and protect him, after all they'd be much more willing to go to bat for an "innocent" person.

Quote: And you admit that all these "Osama bin Laden" tapes we've been shown, the ones where he's overweight and speaking Arabic w/ an American accent, where OBL "accepts" responsbility for 9/11, are just CIA disinformation designed to mislead the American public?
Taking one frame out of context and poor lighting proves nothing. Other frames from that same video show very clearly the same man. The ones I've seen don't show anyone "overweight" unless you are using Kate Moss as a measuring stick, and I'm sorry that my Arabic is just a bit rusty to determine an American accent (somehow I feel that yours is as well, and are again cherry picking the "experts" that you listen to on such information).

Quote: Because based on how you phrased your response, it sure seems that you believe these things.
If that's what you have taken from my post, then you are lacking in basic communication.

Quote: Perhaps your subconscious is betraying to us that you really *do* know and acknowledge the Truth, even though your conscious mind refuses to acknowledge the horror of it..
I do wish that you'd put "truth" in quotes, because that's really all you have: a name. There's no truth behind what you claim.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Todd D. wrote: Quote: So you admit that the real OBL really did deny involvement in 9/11??
In the wake of 9/11, the Taliban was still in power.
The Taliban is *still* in power..

Go read Hamid Karzai's resume..

Quote: There's no truth behind what you claim.
Do you know what the word "Satan" means?

JDHURF · Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 3500 Location: Tulsa, OK

The freak show has begun... *grabs popcorn*

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

MG1962 wrote: Quote: I think you're talking about the fat bin-Laden imposter who speaks Arabic w/ an American accent and whose pet golden retriever shows up in the background of the videos, even though they don't have golden retrievers (natively) in Afghanistan..

Well given I own a German Shepard, not native to Australia, or that Bin Laden is not a native of Afghanistan - whats the relevance of the dog???
Whether or not you own a dog has nothing to do w/ anything..

Pretty much the worst and dumbest mistake a peasant could possibly make is to assume that the Ruling Elite uses the same logic, judgment and values to arrive at decisions as the he (the peasant) does. This is the same line of reasoning that landed the German nation into so much trouble back in the Nazi era.. "Awww gee.. Hitler can't be THAT bad! I'm not that bad! I'm not evil.. therefore, Hilter can't be evil either".. and that's the same line of reasoning that you see neocons and "government conspiracy theory concerning 9/11"-defenders using..

It's an incredibly flawed and absolutely fatal way of thinking.

Those who persist in thinking in this manner *will* be killed as a consequence of their misbeliefs..

Just b/c you're not a murdering Satan worshipper doesn't mean that George W Bush is not a murdering Satan worshipper.

Your values don't apply to George Bush and vice-versa..

Don't *ever* forget that.

Wizard From Oz · Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 10367 Location: Kansas

Quote: MG1962 wrote:
I think you're talking about the fat bin-Laden imposter who speaks Arabic w/ an American accent and whose pet golden retriever shows up in the background of the videos, even though they don't have golden retrievers (natively) in Afghanistan..

Well given I own a German Shepard, not native to Australia, or that Bin Laden is not a native of Afghanistan - whats the relevance of the dog???

Whether or not you own a dog has nothing to do w/ anything..

So then why was it brough up as proof the person in the video can not be be bin Laden then????

JDHURF · Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 3500 Location: Tulsa, OK

psholtz wrote: And you admit that all these "Osama bin Laden" tapes we've been shown, the ones where he's overweight and speaking Arabic w/ an American accent, where OBL "accepts" responsbility for 9/11, are just CIA disinformation designed to mislead the American public?
I think I’ll step in here. What the hell are you talking about? I’ve seen the majority of the Usama tapes and in not one did I find an “overweight” individual and taking into consideration that the majority of the tapes being played in America have an English translator speaking over Usama I find it hard to believe that you are not only able to pick up on Arabic but also able to decipher the difference between authentic Arabic and Arabic with an American accent. It seems to me that you are simply taking, at face value, 9/11 Goebellian propaganda, the real question is why? I’m sure you think it’s because you have found the truth, however absurd it may be, but the real answer is because you are just as easily mislead as those willing to strap bombs on themselves and blow themselves up in crowded public venues and this particular conspiracy, for whatever reason, has fit your fancy.
psholtz wrote: Just b/c you're not a murdering Satan worshipper doesn't mean that George W Bush is not a murdering Satan worshipper.
Wow, I dislike Bush as much as the next liberal but this is downright hysterical, if not completely pathological. I would love to see the evidence you are in possession of testifying to Bush’s satan worship.

BTW – I only take what you post halfway seriously, I find it hard to believe you aren’t being facitious. I mean, come one, an x-files character is your avatar and you have illuminati nonsense all over your sig, it looks to much like a satirical joke to me.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

MG1962 wrote: Quote: MG1962 wrote:
I think you're talking about the fat bin-Laden imposter who speaks Arabic w/ an American accent and whose pet golden retriever shows up in the background of the videos, even though they don't have golden retrievers (natively) in Afghanistan..

Well given I own a German Shepard, not native to Australia, or that Bin Laden is not a native of Afghanistan - whats the relevance of the dog???

Whether or not you own a dog has nothing to do w/ anything..

So then why was it brough up as proof the person in the video can not be be bin Laden then????
What I'm saying is that YOUR dog has nothing to do w/ anything..

Please explain to me why YOUR dog ever made a cameo on this thread.. that's the part I can't figure out.

Wizard From Oz · Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 10367 Location: Kansas

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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:04 pm

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Yeah and Bin Laden, the man who admitted it, is actually the third Bush brother....or maybe he was brainwashed by the CIA along with hijackers?

To my knowledge, bin Laden never said anything one way or another about 9/11..

I think you're talking about the fat bin-Laden imposter who speaks Arabic w/ an American accent and whose pet golden retriever shows up in the background of the videos, even though they don't have golden retrievers (natively) in Afghanistan..

This is YOUR post with the comment about the dog (Highlighted by me)

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

JDHURF wrote: psholtz wrote: And you admit that all these "Osama bin Laden" tapes we've been shown, the ones where he's overweight and speaking Arabic w/ an American accent, where OBL "accepts" responsbility for 9/11, are just CIA disinformation designed to mislead the American public?
I think I’ll step in here. What the hell are you talking about? I’ve seen the majority of the Usama tapes and in not one did I find an “overweight” individual and taking into consideration that the majority of the tapes being played in America have an English translator speaking over Usama I find it hard to believe that you are not only able to pick up on Arabic but also able to decipher the difference between authentic Arabic and Arabic with an American accent. It seems to me that you are simply taking, at face value, 9/11 Goebellian propaganda, the real question is why? I’m sure you think it’s because you have found the truth, however absurd it may be, but the real answer is because you are just as easily mislead as those willing to strap bombs on themselves and blow themselves up in crowded public venues and this particular conspiracy, for whatever reason, has fit your fancy.
What you're basically trying to say here is: "Gee.. I've had a look at these OBL tapes and everything seems fine and dandy to me! I totally believe the government's lie!"

I just told you that this is an extremely fatal way of looking at the world.

But that's your issue to deal w/, not mine.

Don't apply your logic, values and sense of judgment to the way your enemy operates.

Quote: psholtz wrote: Just b/c you're not a murdering Satan worshipper doesn't mean that George W Bush is not a murdering Satan worshipper.
Wow, I dislike Bush as much as the next liberal but this is downright hysterical, if not completely pathological. I would love to see the evidence you are in possession of testifying to Bush’s satan worship.
What's pathological about it?

It's a statement taken straight out of Logic 101..

If we are given "p" (you are not a murdering Satan worshipper), then from this we *cannot* necessarily conclude "q" (Bush is not a murdering Satan worshipper).

Surely you must admit the truth of my sentence, if nothing else.

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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:04 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Yeah and Bin Laden, the man who admitted it, is actually the third Bush brother....or maybe he was brainwashed by the CIA along with hijackers?

To my knowledge, bin Laden never said anything one way or another about 9/11..

I think you're talking about the fat bin-Laden imposter who speaks Arabic w/ an American accent and whose pet golden retriever shows up in the background of the videos, even though they don't have golden retrievers (natively) in Afghanistan..

This is YOUR post with the comment about the dog (Highlighted by me)
Yes, that is my post.

Very good.

Mighty Oak · Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:10 am Post subject:

The tape that psholtz is refering to also has Bin Laden writing with his right hand,OBL is left handed according to the FBI,also he is wearing gold jewlery,which from my understanding is against Islamic law.

Todd D. · Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:22 am Post subject:

Quote: The tape that psholtz is refering to also has Bin Laden writing with his right hand,OBL is left handed according to the FBI
It also shows his left arm to be almost completely immobile, indicating an injury of some sort. You act as if he is scrolling lore, he's jotting down some notes, an easy enough task for either hand for most people.

Quote: he is wearing gold jewlery,which from my understanding is against Islamic law.
...he also orchestrated flying three huge planes in to buildings, which from my understanding is against Islamic Law.

Mighty Oak · Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:31 am Post subject:

Todd D. wrote: Quote: The tape that psholtz is refering to also has Bin Laden writing with his right hand,OBL is left handed according to the FBI
It also shows his left arm to be almost completely immobile, indicating an injury of some sort. You act as if he is scrolling lore, he's jotting down some notes, an easy enough task for either hand for most people.

Quote: he is wearing gold jewlery,which from my understanding is against Islamic law.
...he also orchestrated flying three huge planes in to buildings, which from my understanding is against Islamic Law. Well here we go,circular logic.

They did it because they are islamic extremist,but they don't really believe in their religion.Gambleing,pornos,drinking,strip clubs.
Oh well so much for those virgins.

NAB · Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:37 am Post subject:

Mighty Oak wrote: The tape that psholtz is refering to also has Bin Laden writing with his right hand,OBL is left handed according to the FBI,also he is wearing gold jewlery,which from my understanding is against Islamic law.

Are you talking about the SAME ring he was photographed with many times before?

From what I understand, Muslim men can wear gold-plated jewelery, but not pure gold. Maybe OBL was a bit of a dandy and bought a knock-off in Peshawar. :lol: