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[Mighty Oak]

Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Quote: people listened to an ***hole that told them there was a conspiracy to destroy them, and installed a different type of government in response.
This sounds familiar

Hitler installed himself as dictator within weeks of the fire. It has been over five years now yet Bush hasn't made a move to change the government or to keep himself in power. So you're the one making the claim these two events are the same. Where is Bush's power play to keep himself in power? When does he change the laws and go into a third term or install himself as dictator?

Conspiracy theorists who wish to claim 9/11 is along the same lines as the Reichstag fires only show their ignorance of what happened in Germany and what has happened here while showing their foolish willingness to draw connections where the ONLY similarity is the destruction of a landmark. I'll tell you what shows ignorance,and thats thinking it would be done the same way.Step out of your box.

Sooner or later Bush will have to make his power play. Or it's not a coup.

Yet it don't seem to be happening.

Take the box you have over your head off. It's crumpling your tinfoil hat and harmful Neocon radiation will get in and control your mind. Wow I've never been ridiculed before :lol: As I said,it's not going to mirror Germany.Electronic voteing tell you anything?

Yeah. It tells me you are gullible enough to believe the vote was fixed as well. :lol: Tell me. How is Bush going to rig the vote so he stays in power in 2008? Why does he need to stay in office?There are plenty of puppets.The votes were fixed,I guess youv'e never seen the congressional hearing on electronic voteing.The truth is available.

http://alternet.org/blogs/video/40755/

[Patriot911]

Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Quote: people listened to an ***hole that told them there was a conspiracy to destroy them, and installed a different type of government in response.
This sounds familiar

Hitler installed himself as dictator within weeks of the fire. It has been over five years now yet Bush hasn't made a move to change the government or to keep himself in power. So you're the one making the claim these two events are the same. Where is Bush's power play to keep himself in power? When does he change the laws and go into a third term or install himself as dictator?

Conspiracy theorists who wish to claim 9/11 is along the same lines as the Reichstag fires only show their ignorance of what happened in Germany and what has happened here while showing their foolish willingness to draw connections where the ONLY similarity is the destruction of a landmark. I'll tell you what shows ignorance,and thats thinking it would be done the same way.Step out of your box.

Sooner or later Bush will have to make his power play. Or it's not a coup.

Yet it don't seem to be happening.

Take the box you have over your head off. It's crumpling your tinfoil hat and harmful Neocon radiation will get in and control your mind. Wow I've never been ridiculed before :lol: As I said,it's not going to mirror Germany.Electronic voteing tell you anything?

Yeah. It tells me you are gullible enough to believe the vote was fixed as well. :lol: Tell me. How is Bush going to rig the vote so he stays in power in 2008? Why does he need to stay in office?There are plenty of puppets.The votes were fixed,I guess youv'e never seen the congressional hearing on electronic voteing.The truth is available.

http://alternet.org/blogs/video/40755/

If Bush is just the puppet, who is pulling the strings? The Illuminati? The New World Order? Aliens? Reptiles?

And yes, I've read the congressional hearings. Are there problems that need to be addressed on electronic voting? Yes. Is there evidence the vote was fixed? No. Don't play us for fools. If there were evidence the democrats would have been all over it, especially with the mid-term elections coming up.

[NAB]

psholtz wrote: NAB wrote: For a bit of background, she's probably what you would refer to a "sheeple", as in she's not particularly interested in politics and world events unless they have some direct (her words not mine) impact on her.
Same thing happened to the Germans in the 1930s..

Too "busy" to care about politics.. Didn't have "time" for it..

See what happened there.. :-|

Quote: Don't confuse this attitude for someone without smarts, she's just got a lot of s**t going on and is very busy in her daily life, but at least she'll listen when something is brought to her attention (an opinion I personally have of a good majority of Americans). Anyway, I mentioned these theories to her and she was a bit upset. Not that she instantly believed them, to the contrary, but she said if there were ever conclusive evidence that it was an inside job she would want to leave this country immediately, and she meant it.
Yes, so she is a sheeple..

Please don't take this the wrong way, but as I've said before, you seem to have this pattern of hanging out w/ weak and cowardly individuals. The *real* American would stay and fight and work to re-establish the Republic and Constitutional government... or at least *try* to do so before cutting and running..

But if cutting and running is what floats your boat, so be it. Sam Adams had some choice words in this respect.

Quote: I'm kind of with her on that account. We have the wherewithal and professional experience that we could pretty much get a job in another country rather easily.
I've said before that living in the US right now is like living in Berlin, 1936.

There is a difference this time, of course, and that's that there is no place to run. You can't hide from these people just by "re-locating". They'll get you (this time around) no matter where you live.

Quote: This is important to me, so let it be known I've looked at the "evidence" with as unbiased an approach as I'm humanly capable. It's not there...........
Yes, you surfed USENET and you found a thread about how holograms were used to knock down the WTC, and you decided this was the be-all and end-all of 9/11 "conspiracy" theories, to your own innate satisfaction..

Whatever..

I believe I stated it earliler in this thread, but I'll try once again. Whenever the Nazi Germany comparisons start coming out, then I wonder if the thread is officially at an end. Appeal to Emotion anyone or does Appeal to Fear fit better? It's almost epidemic in this thread. :roll:

If you want to make a more relevant comparison on the growth of power and hegemony, then maybe the end of the Roman Republic/beginning of the Empire might have a little more validity imho.

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Quote: people listened to an ***hole that told them there was a conspiracy to destroy them, and installed a different type of government in response.
This sounds familiar

Hitler installed himself as dictator within weeks of the fire. It has been over five years now yet Bush hasn't made a move to change the government or to keep himself in power. So you're the one making the claim these two events are the same. Where is Bush's power play to keep himself in power? When does he change the laws and go into a third term or install himself as dictator?
Bush is operating as a defacto military dictator, and he has been for many years.

He's openly signing bills into law that never passed Congress, he's openly enforcing laws that the Supreme Court ruled unConstitutional, and he's writing memos w/ his staff about how he can sexually torture small kids in front of their parents in the name of "war on terror"..

This is open military dictatorship..

The Americans are just too naive to know and understand what constitutes military dictatorship..

[psholtz]

cap'n queasy wrote: Sooner or later Bush will have to make his power play. Or it's not a coup.
Bush's military coup happened many years ago:

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Quote: people listened to an ***hole that told them there was a conspiracy to destroy them, and installed a different type of government in response.
This sounds familiar

Hitler installed himself as dictator within weeks of the fire. It has been over five years now yet Bush hasn't made a move to change the government or to keep himself in power. So you're the one making the claim these two events are the same. Where is Bush's power play to keep himself in power? When does he change the laws and go into a third term or install himself as dictator?
Bush is operating as a defacto military dictator, and he has been for many years.

He's openly signing bills into law that never passed Congress, he's openly enforcing laws that the Supreme Court ruled unConstitutional, and he's writing memos w/ his staff about how he can sexually torture small kids in front of their parents in the name of "war on terror"..

This is open military dictatorship..

The Americans are just too naive to know and understand what constitutes military dictatorship..

More meaningless blathering from Psholtz not backed up by anything resembling proof. :roll: Signing bills that haven't passed congress? :lol: And claiming Bush is going to sexually torture small kids is just too much. Care to produce this memo? BTW unsubstantiated claims from Seymore Hersch don't constitute proof. ;-)

The only thing you are showing is your open paranoia over everything and anything. :lol:

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Quote: people listened to an ***hole that told them there was a conspiracy to destroy them, and installed a different type of government in response.
This sounds familiar

Hitler installed himself as dictator within weeks of the fire. It has been over five years now yet Bush hasn't made a move to change the government or to keep himself in power. So you're the one making the claim these two events are the same. Where is Bush's power play to keep himself in power? When does he change the laws and go into a third term or install himself as dictator?
Bush is operating as a defacto military dictator, and he has been for many years.

He's openly signing bills into law that never passed Congress, he's openly enforcing laws that the Supreme Court ruled unConstitutional, and he's writing memos w/ his staff about how he can sexually torture small kids in front of their parents in the name of "war on terror"..

This is open military dictatorship..

The Americans are just too naive to know and understand what constitutes military dictatorship..

More meaningless blathering from Psholtz not backed up by anything resembling proof. :roll: Signing bills that haven't passed congress? :lol: And claiming Bush is going to sexually torture small kids is just too much. Care to produce this memo? BTW unsubstantiated claims from Seymore Hersch don't constitute proof. ;-)

The only thing you are showing is your open paranoia over everything and anything. :lol:
I've said this before, and I'm only going to say it one more time: I have no desire whatsoever to convince you of anything.

The reason I post the things I do is to disseminate what I perceive to the truth as far and as wide as possible. What you choose to do w/ it, and whether or not you choose to believe it, is of less-than-no concern to me. As a rule, I try not to throw pearls before swine. Those who find resonance with the things I post will pick it up and go w/ it where they choose. Those who don't, won't .. and either way it's of little concern to me.

The proof is out there if you desire to look for it.

My sense, of course, is that you do not.. and hence, I see little point in wasting your or my time.

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Quote: people listened to an ***hole that told them there was a conspiracy to destroy them, and installed a different type of government in response.
This sounds familiar

Hitler installed himself as dictator within weeks of the fire. It has been over five years now yet Bush hasn't made a move to change the government or to keep himself in power. So you're the one making the claim these two events are the same. Where is Bush's power play to keep himself in power? When does he change the laws and go into a third term or install himself as dictator?
Bush is operating as a defacto military dictator, and he has been for many years.

He's openly signing bills into law that never passed Congress, he's openly enforcing laws that the Supreme Court ruled unConstitutional, and he's writing memos w/ his staff about how he can sexually torture small kids in front of their parents in the name of "war on terror"..

This is open military dictatorship..

The Americans are just too naive to know and understand what constitutes military dictatorship..

More meaningless blathering from Psholtz not backed up by anything resembling proof. :roll: Signing bills that haven't passed congress? :lol: And claiming Bush is going to sexually torture small kids is just too much. Care to produce this memo? BTW unsubstantiated claims from Seymore Hersch don't constitute proof. ;-)

The only thing you are showing is your open paranoia over everything and anything. :lol:
I've said this before, and I'm only going to say it one more time: I have no desire whatsoever to convince you of anything.

The reason I post the things I do is to disseminate what I perceive to the truth as far and as wide as possible. What you choose to do w/ it, and whether or not you choose to believe it, is of less-than-no concern to me. As a rule, I try not to throw pearls before swine. Those who find resonance with the things I post will pick it up and go w/ it where they choose. Those who don't, won't .. and either way it's of little concern to me.

The proof is out there if you desire to look for it.

My sense, of course, is that you do not.. and hence, I see little point in wasting your or my time.

I see. So you wish to try and push your BS on people, but don't want to actually show proof of your beliefs or even how you arrived at your conclusions. :rofl: If you wish people to believe what you say or give you any kind of credibility, you have to show that your statements are based on reality and not your own personal fantasies.

If you don't wish to back up your ludicrous claims with any kind of proof, you're not going to convince anyone of anything other than the fact that you don't know what you are talking about and that you often times lie which means NOTHING you say can be taken seriously.

As for convincing me, that isn't the purpose of supplying proof of your accusations. The purpose is two fold. First it shows you have credibility. Second, it helps the other readers of these threads to see where you are coming from. You claim to be wanting to "disseminate" your whacked out version of the truth to everyone who wants to listen. How are they suppose to believe anything you write when you can't or won't back up your f'ed up claims with anything? You become worse than worthless. You become nothing more than a useless waste of bandwidth.

Thank you for proving your claims to be nothing more than the rantings of someone who is just making stuff up as he goes along. ;-)

[NAB]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: Quote: people listened to an ***hole that told them there was a conspiracy to destroy them, and installed a different type of government in response.
This sounds familiar

Hitler installed himself as dictator within weeks of the fire. It has been over five years now yet Bush hasn't made a move to change the government or to keep himself in power. So you're the one making the claim these two events are the same. Where is Bush's power play to keep himself in power? When does he change the laws and go into a third term or install himself as dictator?
Bush is operating as a defacto military dictator, and he has been for many years.

He's openly signing bills into law that never passed Congress, he's openly enforcing laws that the Supreme Court ruled unConstitutional, and he's writing memos w/ his staff about how he can sexually torture small kids in front of their parents in the name of "war on terror"..

This is open military dictatorship..

The Americans are just too naive to know and understand what constitutes military dictatorship..

More meaningless blathering from Psholtz not backed up by anything resembling proof. :roll: Signing bills that haven't passed congress? :lol: And claiming Bush is going to sexually torture small kids is just too much. Care to produce this memo? BTW unsubstantiated claims from Seymore Hersch don't constitute proof. ;-)

The only thing you are showing is your open paranoia over everything and anything. :lol:
I've said this before, and I'm only going to say it one more time: I have no desire whatsoever to convince you of anything.

The reason I post the things I do is to disseminate what I perceive to the truth as far and as wide as possible. What you choose to do w/ it, and whether or not you choose to believe it, is of less-than-no concern to me. As a rule, I try not to throw pearls before swine. Those who find resonance with the things I post will pick it up and go w/ it where they choose. Those who don't, won't .. and either way it's of little concern to me.

The proof is out there if you desire to look for it.

My sense, of course, is that you do not.. and hence, I see little point in wasting your or my time.

For someone who claims to not want to "convince" anyone of anything, you sure seem to go to a lot of trouble to try and do just that. Something about a lady doth protesting to much comes to mind for some reason.

Disingenuous? Never.... :think:

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: Thank you for proving your claims to be nothing more than the rantings of someone who is just making stuff up as he goes along.
You can't make this stuff up.. :-D

[psholtz]

NAB wrote: Disingenuous? Never.... :think:
Even if I was being disingenous - which I am not - what relevance might that have on the fact that Bush is operating as an open military dictator?


Hey Look Everbody! It's a Strawman!!

[NAB]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Thank you for proving your claims to be nothing more than the rantings of someone who is just making stuff up as he goes along.
You can't make this stuff up.. :-D

Hmm, maybe you can. I've read fictional novels in the same vein that had more believable and well developed plot lines. :lol:

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Thank you for proving your claims to be nothing more than the rantings of someone who is just making stuff up as he goes along.
You can't make this stuff up.. :-D

Oh? I beg to differ. You appear to make this stuff up all the time. Care to show the memo written by Bush where Bush talks about sexually torturing kids in front of parents? Yeah, thats what I thought. A made up piece by Psholtz. Just one out of thousands of examples.

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Thank you for proving your claims to be nothing more than the rantings of someone who is just making stuff up as he goes along.
You can't make this stuff up.. :-D

Oh? I beg to differ. You appear to make this stuff up all the time. Care to show the memo written by Bush where Bush talks about sexually torturing kids in front of parents? Yeah, thats what I thought. A made up piece by Psholtz. Just one out of thousands of examples.
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=john+yoo+torture+memo&btnG=Google+Search

[NAB]

psholtz wrote: NAB wrote: Disingenuous? Never.... :think:
Even if I was being disingenous - which I am not - what relevance might that have on the fact that Bush is operating as an open military dictator?


Hey Look Everbody! It's a Strawman!!

Logical fallacies are definitely your specialty :wink:

[psholtz]

NAB wrote: psholtz wrote: NAB wrote: Disingenuous? Never.... :think:
Even if I was being disingenous - which I am not - what relevance might that have on the fact that Bush is operating as an open military dictator?


Hey Look Everbody! It's a Strawman!!

Logical fallacies are definitely your specialty :wink:
You're *still* debating a strawman... :lol:

[Patriot911]

Psholtz, you make the claim Bush is a military dictator and then proceed to make up a bunch of assertions you claim prove your point. You can't back up any of your allegations and when confronted by this, pretend you are too important to back any of your claims up. :roll: How much more disingenuous can you get? And your disingenuousness can't get any more relevant to your claim since your whole claim is based on obvious and blatant lies. A two year old can make that mental connection. Why can't you?

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: Psholtz, you make the claim Bush is a military dictator and then proceed to make up a bunch of assertions you claim prove your point. You can't back up any of your allegations and when confronted by this, pretend you are too important to back any of your claims up. :roll: How much more disingenuous can you get? And your disingenuousness can't get any more relevant to your claim since your whole claim is based on obvious and blatant lies. A two year old can make that mental connection. Why can't you?
I did back up my assertions.

I gave you a google link.

Did you even bothering clicking on it??..

Or would your Royal Highness prefer that I print out a hardcopy of these Web sites and mail them to your Royal Highness via Fedex? :lol:

[Mighty Oak]

I have never talked to psholtz before in my life and I have came to many of the SAME conclusions,so how can that be?

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Psholtz, you make the claim Bush is a military dictator and then proceed to make up a bunch of assertions you claim prove your point. You can't back up any of your allegations and when confronted by this, pretend you are too important to back any of your claims up. :roll: How much more disingenuous can you get? And your disingenuousness can't get any more relevant to your claim since your whole claim is based on obvious and blatant lies. A two year old can make that mental connection. Why can't you?
I did back up my assertions.

I gave you a google link.

Did you even bothering clicking on it??..

Or would your Royal Highness prefer that I print out a hardcopy of these Web sites and mail them to your Royal Highness via Fedex? :lol:

I have yet to see a single one of those links talk about a memo written by Bush or about a memo that talks about sexually torturing kids in front of parents. Just as I thought. More made up BS by Psholtz. What you ARE talking about is a memo from the justice department that is very broad when talking about torture. It is the sick f*cks like you take exaggerate it to the point where you claim it is talking about kids being sexually tortured in front of their parents.

Either way, your claim it was written by Bush is a blatant lie. Your claim that it talks about how he can sexually torture kids in front of their parents is a blatant lie. Thank you for proving my point.