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lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12561 Location: idaho

While there has been considerable effort of people to state that armed citizens are a danger to law enforcement officers there are hundreds of stories that show just the opposite. In my opinion these officers listed at the link are alive because of an armed citizen and would not be if there had not been that armed person there to assist them.

Take a look at the article and see if you agree or disagree with the RTC having a benficial impact on lives saved.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=30&issue=003

Note: ther will more than likely be those that accuse me of spreading propaganda and if that is the case then my only set of words for those folks are as follows:

These people are alive because of guns and had it not been for an armed person coming to their aid they would be dead. RTC works and works well. :-D

micfranklin · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject:

"Don't worry, we're here to protect you," they say.... :roll:

micfranklin · Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject:

Quote: When Eric Stewart of Oxford, Iowa, heard that an Iowa state trooper had been killed in a plane crash while participating in the manhunt for a robbery suspect, he got his revolver, jumped in his car and joined the search. He passed a man on foot he thought might be the suspect. Stewart stopped at a local farm, and while he was talking to the owners, the man attempted to force his way into the home. Stewart captured and held him at gunpoint until police arrived.
(The Press-Citizen, Iowa City, IA, 10/15/90) (AR 1/91)

That was a pretty good one, proving you don't even need to shoot to keep robbers in check :tu: :tu:

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12561 Location: idaho

micfranklin wrote: Quote: When Eric Stewart of Oxford, Iowa, heard that an Iowa state trooper had been killed in a plane crash while participating in the manhunt for a robbery suspect, he got his revolver, jumped in his car and joined the search. He passed a man on foot he thought might be the suspect. Stewart stopped at a local farm, and while he was talking to the owners, the man attempted to force his way into the home. Stewart captured and held him at gunpoint until police arrived.
(The Press-Citizen, Iowa City, IA, 10/15/90) (AR 1/91)

That was a pretty good one, proving you don't even need to shoot to keep robbers in check :tu: :tu:

Another armed citizen to the rescue....There are thousands of legit stories of this nature but some people refer to it as propaganda....A life saved is well worth it in my book. :-D

micfranklin · Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject:

lilwolf wrote: micfranklin wrote: Quote: When Eric Stewart of Oxford, Iowa, heard that an Iowa state trooper had been killed in a plane crash while participating in the manhunt for a robbery suspect, he got his revolver, jumped in his car and joined the search. He passed a man on foot he thought might be the suspect. Stewart stopped at a local farm, and while he was talking to the owners, the man attempted to force his way into the home. Stewart captured and held him at gunpoint until police arrived.
(The Press-Citizen, Iowa City, IA, 10/15/90) (AR 1/91)

That was a pretty good one, proving you don't even need to shoot to keep robbers in check :tu: :tu:

Another armed citizen to the rescue....There are thousands of legit stories of this nature but some people refer to it as propaganda....A life saved is well worth it in my book. :-D

I could give you three guess on who exactly would call it propaganda, but some of us only need one.

*cough cough* anti-gun crowd *crowd*

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12561 Location: idaho

That is the thing here. To many of them this is propaganda and false. Wrong to them all. Lives are saved and the link shows that. Each and evry story is totally verifiable and they still call it false or misleading. Well, if you got a bad guy and the evidence is there that the story is true how can it be false. They have only the following to say...propaganda.

Hers afew of the stories that are just great. Proving that armed civilians do assist and save lives of officers all the time.

Vincent McCarthy wasn`t afraid to lend a hand when he noticed a police officer struggling with a man and woman at the side of the road. He tried to help subdue the man who was kicking the officer in the face. Despite McCarthy`s warnings, the man pressed his assault, and the tour boat captain shot him once in the leg with a pistol he is licensed to carry and stopped the attack. Neither the officer nor McCarthy were seriously injured.
(The Daily Commercial, Leesburg, FL, 4/10/92) (AR 6/92)

Citizens of Ivor, Va., turned out in force when two men robbed the local bank. After their car crashed while fleeing from police, the duo fled into a wooded area. Local residents immediately armed themselves and, along with police, surrounded the woods. The pair surrendered to a volunteer and an officer the next morning. Said one local resident, "Here, the feeling is `Hey, you`ve got my money.`"
(The Virginian-Pilot, Norfolk, VA, 10/20/91)(AR 3/92)

A North Myrtle Beach, N.C., citizen was credited by the city`s public safety director with possibly saving the life of Police Officer Richard Jernick. Jernick had pulled over a suspected bank robber`s car after a chase, when the suspect charged the cruiser and pointed a gun at the officer, who was still behind the wheel. At that point authorities said, the robbery suspect saw that James Beach, a semi-retired electrician who had joined the pursuit, had a pistol pointed at him. Startled, the robber ran for his car, and Officer Jernick was able to shoot and wound him.
(The Observer, Charlotte, NC, 7/4/91) (AR 9/91)

micfranklin · Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject:

You know what I think it is?

I think those who say its false propaganda are just afraid to admit they're wrong.

britboy · Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 3339 Location: London

micfranklin wrote: You know what I think it is?

I think those who say its false propaganda are just afraid to admit they're wrong.

:roll:

When you get into a drunken bar brawl, pull out your gun and the other guy runs away .. is that going to be 'the time your gun saved your life - all hail the gun'??

:roll:

micfranklin · Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:20 am Post subject:

britboy wrote: micfranklin wrote: You know what I think it is?

I think those who say its false propaganda are just afraid to admit they're wrong.

:roll:

When you get into a drunken bar brawl, pull out your gun and the other guy runs away .. is that going to be 'the time your gun saved your life - all hail the gun'??

:roll:

Hey, maybe. For all we know about that fight, the guy might've a gang of friends all packed with knives of them.

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12561 Location: idaho

britboy wrote: micfranklin wrote: You know what I think it is?

I think those who say its false propaganda are just afraid to admit they're wrong.

:roll:

When you get into a drunken bar brawl, pull out your gun and the other guy runs away .. is that going to be 'the time your gun saved your life - all hail the gun'??

:roll:

britboy, sometimes all that is needed is the showing of the weapon and the bad guys run. You do not have to shoot someone to be able to say the gun may have saved your life. But without the gun your life mught have been over, or it might not have. I would not take the chance.

micfranklin · Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:33 am Post subject:

lilwolf wrote: britboy wrote: micfranklin wrote: You know what I think it is?

I think those who say its false propaganda are just afraid to admit they're wrong.

:roll:

When you get into a drunken bar brawl, pull out your gun and the other guy runs away .. is that going to be 'the time your gun saved your life - all hail the gun'??

:roll:

britboy, sometimes all that is needed is the showing of the weapon and the bad guys run. You do not have to shoot someone to be able to say the gun may have saved your life. But without the gun your life mught have been over, or it might not have. I would not take the chance.

And plus, they probably could've reached for a bat or some other heavy blunt object and would've beaten you to death.

wyldejackyl · Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 7195 Location: Chicago, IL

I totally agree, and think there should be more of these stories..perhaps a website dedicated to JUST THEM that gets money from ads and markets itself to everyone so they can read it and draw their own conclusions.

How many drunken bar brawls end up in massacres in states where concealed carry is legal? Probably not many. People believe what they do either because, like Britboy, they know nothing else (and that's fine if you're okay with that, just don't make us, especially us here in the US, subject to your blatant violations of rights)- or because they know only what they hear on TV. They hear about school shootings. About killings with "automatic weapons" which are essentially semi-automatic..but automatic sounds so much better when you say it on TV. So much more..sinister.

The point is giving people choice. Choice to defend themselves, the choice not to. Not having a gun or other weapon on you..is a choice not to. Again, that's okay, but when someone mugs you or puts a knife to your throat while they rape your wife..you're going to wish you had some other means of getting help other than calling 3 numbers and waiting for what seems like an eternity.

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12561 Location: idaho

There are actually thousands of these stories all over the nation and the usual rhetoric comes forth that it is propaganda or fabrication.

The fact is that these and many officers are alive because of an armed citizen.

There are also those that will say that even ten stories does not mean anything. If one person , whether or not it is a police officer or not then the guns presence or use saved a life, and that 1 life is important.

But watch the spin on this one. Always happens