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[The Comrade]

krims wrote:
Then why don't we find this at the other buildings?

you're rediculous.




notice how there is nothing in the middle of the world trade center. it's labaled as plaza. there is a three story car garage, subway station, and mall down there. that might just explain why there is a "crater" in the middle of it.

in terms of the specific building of WT6 there was a basement underneath it with giant concrete supports. they would be left standing since their job is to hold up the building.

and you find it in all the other buildings that had large basements that connected to the main underground complex.



krims wrote: What the hell... you're not making any sense... what buildings imploded? If they imploded, then why do you say they didn't collapse???

i'm not trying to be rude, but do you speak englsh?

the two towers imploded, and the buildings around the towers imploded. as you can clearly see in the image i provided, WTC6 is right next to the towers and is directly effected by them.


And where did i say that any of the WTC buildings did not collapse?

i said because WTC6 imploded is reason why the buildings around it did not collapse.

you do understand what implode means don't you?

[krims]

Quote: notice how there is nothing in the middle of the world trade center. it's labaled as plaza. there is a three story car garage, subway station, and mall down there. that might just explain why there is a "crater" in the middle of it.

A crater in the middle of the plaza? What are you smoking kid? I never said anything about the plaza.



Quote: in terms of the specific building of WT6 there was a basement underneath it with giant concrete supports. they would be left standing since their job is to hold up the building.

and you find it in all the other buildings that had large basements that connected to the main underground complex.

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What the hell... You still didn't tell me why we didn't see a crater in the other buildings also.





Quote: i'm not trying to be rude, but do you speak englsh?

the two towers imploded, and the buildings around the towers imploded. as you can clearly see in the image i provided, WTC6 is right next to the towers and is directly effected by them.

The buildings around the towers imploded??? ...... How!??!


Quote: And where did i say that any of the WTC buildings did not collapse?

What...? So the other structures had craters also?


Quote: i said because WTC6 imploded is reason why the buildings around it did not collapse.


Whaaaaaaaaat........ before you said the buildings imploded, and that the buildings collapsed.... How could the buildings around it NOT collapse if they imploded?

[The Comrade]

krims wrote: A crater in the middle of the plaza? What are you smoking kid? I never said anything about the plaza.

i know you didn't. i was expanding on your idea.

and don't call me kid. it's horribly pretentious.


krims wrote: What the hell... You still didn't tell me why we didn't see a crater in the other buildings also.

i'll use real easy english for you.

big hole.

big building fall in big hole.

big hole only fill half way.

mdeium hole left.

did ya catch that?



krims wrote: The buildings around the towers imploded??? ...... How!??!

structural weakness caused by THE WORLDS TWO TALLEST BUILDINGS COLLAPSING might have something to do with it.




krims wrote: What...? So the other structures had craters also?

YOUR OWN f***ing PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS THAT



krims wrote: Whaaaaaaaaat........ before you said the buildings imploded, and that the buildings collapsed.... How could the buildings around it NOT collapse if they imploded?

you're twisting things to make yourself look good.

i said that WTC6 imploded, like the rest of the buildings in the WTC. and because it imploded, which means collapse in on itself, it would not have able to damage the buildings next to it.

[krims]

Quote: i'll use real easy english for you.

big hole.

big building fall in big hole.

big hole only fill half way.

mdeium hole left.

did ya catch that?

No. What the frick are you saying?

What big hole? What medium hole? Which building?




Quote: structural weakness caused by THE WORLDS TWO TALLEST BUILDINGS COLLAPSING might have something to do with it.

They imploded... IMPLODED... because something collapsed nearby?

I think you mean they collapsed because something collapsed nearby.




Quote: YOUR OWN f***ing PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS THAT

No they don't, what are you talking about?


Quote: you're twisting things to make yourself look good.

i said that WTC6 imploded, like the rest of the buildings in the WTC. and because it imploded, which means collapse in on itself, it would not have able to damage the buildings next to it.

I don't CARE about WTC6 causing other buildings to collapse.

I'm talking about the TOWERS.

If you say the debris from the towers caused the crater in WTC6, then why don't other buildings have craters?

[Wizard From Oz]

Sigh

From http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/NYTimesFoundationEfforts.html

As a staff engineer for the Port Authority in 1967, Mr. Tamaro
helped build the World Trade Center's basement, a 16-acre, 70-foot-
deep hole in the ground that until last Tuesday housed seven levels
of shopping, parking and, at the very bottom, the PATH train
station. Now he and others are concerned that debris from the
collapse of the twin towers might be the only thing supporting the
walls of that giant hole against the pressure of muck and water and
dirt on the outside.


And


The excavation proceeded around and even under two PATH train
tunnels that crossed the bathtub on the way to a station on Church
Street. "You could see the tubes hanging in the air," said Thomas
J. Glennon, a plumbing inspector at the site. That station was
subsequently demolished to become part of the site for 4 and 5
World Trade Center, and the tracks were rerouted to a new terminal
in the bottom of the basement. The excavated dirt, about 1.2
million cubic yards, was dumped in the river across the street to
create land for part of Battery Park City.

And then from http://www.nae.edu/nae/bridgecom.nsf/BridgePrintView/CGOZ-58NLJ9?OpenDocument

Genesis
The WTC complex consisted of seven buildings on a 16-acre site in lower Manhattan. The deep basement (bathtub) portion of the site covers a four-city block (980 foot) by two-city block (520 foot) area some 200 feet from the east shore of the Hudson River (Figure 1). The deep basement occupies only about 70 percent of the 16-acre WTC site and is just west of the place where the Dutch landed in 1614. The size and depth of the deep basement and the alignment of the perimeter wall were dictated by several requirements: the construction of a new interstate commuter railroad (PATH) station parallel to the Greenwich Street east wall; support for an operating New York City subway tunnel located just outside the east wall; protection of the entry points of two 100-year old, 17-foot diameter PATH tunnels on the east and west; and the foundation of the twin towers (WTC 1 and WTC 2) on bedrock within the excavation (Figure 2).

[krims]

What's your point? Don't waste my time.

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: What's your point? Don't waste my time.

Then stop wasting ours. You have something intelligent to offer rather than the confused ignorance line you are running

[The Comrade]

krims wrote: What's your point? Don't waste my time.

like how you've wasted our time?

your act(i really hope for your soul that it's an act) of ignorance is gaining you nothing for this discussion.


please stop acting coy and dumb if you want to discuss this in a serious manner.

[The Comrade]

krims wrote:

No. What the frick are you saying?

What big hole? What medium hole? Which building?

you know damn well what i meant





krims wrote: They imploded... IMPLODED... because something collapsed nearby?

I think you mean they collapsed because something collapsed nearby.

you're unbelievable.





krims wrote: No they don't, what are you talking about?

once again you're being rediculous


krims wrote: I don't CARE about WTC6 causing other buildings to collapse.

I'm talking about the TOWERS.

If you say the debris from the towers caused the crater in WTC6, then why don't other buildings have craters?


your original post is talking specifically about WTC6. it was teh crux of you original argument.

and i never said the towers caused the crater. you haven't read a word of what i've been saying.

i said due to basement levels and underground complexs the entire complex had a large hole in it to begin with. WTC6 has it because it also has basement levels.

please explain to me how you are not getting this

[krims]

So what if it had a basement level, how does that automatically translate into a crater? Something would have to trigger the collapse, and it would effect every building with basement levels.

[The Comrade]

krims wrote: So what if it had a basement level, how does that automatically translate into a crater? Something would have to trigger the collapse, and it would effect every building with basement levels.


the collapse of the towers was triggered by weakened steel form jet fuel.

the collapse trigger other buildings to fall.

the basements of those buildings don't have mounds of debris because there is a space for the debris to go. opposed to it laying on the ground in piles.

[krims]

You're an idiot. How could the collapse of the towers have triggered a part of WTC6 to collapse in only one spot, in the form of a crater, and leave other structures nearby intact?

And the WTC6 had an explosion BEFORE the towers fell, so it makes no sense to say the collapse of the towers could have caused the WTC6 crater.

[The Comrade]

krims wrote: You're an idiot. How could the collapse of the towers have triggered a part of WTC6 to collapse in only one spot, in the form of a crater, and leave other structures nearby intact?

And the WTC6 had an explosion BEFORE the towers fell, so it makes no sense to say the collapse of the towers could have caused the WTC6 crater.

there is no proof of an explosion.


and is it hard for you to understand that if there's a basement that there will be a hole where the building collapsed?

[krims]

We know there was an explosion because there was a cloud of smoke rising from WTC6 and it left a crater and molten steel.



Quote: and is it hard for you to understand that if there's a basement that there will be a hole where the building collapsed?

Why did the building collapse? How did it make a crater? Why don't we see this in other buildings?




By the way Comrade, what is the picture in your sig supposed to have to do with the quote?

[The Comrade]

krims wrote: We know there was an explosion because there was a cloud of smoke rising from WTC6 and it left a crater and molten steel.

fire generally makes smoke.

and there is no evidence of molten steel, as the fire was not hot enough to melt it.


Quote: Why did the building collapse? How did it make a crater? Why don't we see this in other buildings?

i've explained this in every single one of my posts.

[krims]

You haven't explained ANYTHING.

You said somehow the collapse of the towers caused this crater in WTC6, yet left the other structures untouched, and somehow there was a giant smoke cloud coming from WTC6, before the towers collapsed, with no appearant cause.

[The Comrade]

krims wrote: You haven't explained ANYTHING.

You said somehow the collapse of the towers caused this crater in WTC6, yet left the other structures untouched, and somehow there was a giant smoke cloud coming from WTC6, before the towers collapsed, with no appearant cause.

that's not at all what i said.
i said the collapse of the towers caused the collapse of the buildings around it. and due to the sub-levels in wtc6(which you decided to talk about, then not talk about, then talk about again) there was a large "crater" like hole left in the ground.


an explosion big enough to create a hole that big would have taken the buildings next to it out and caused debris to be strewn across all of manhatten. i suggest before you propose a bomb did this you learn a little bit about how a bomb's explosion works.

[krims]

If there was a basement complex, shouldn't the entire building be a crater, instead of this one hole with walls around it damaged but mostly standing?

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: you're unbelievable.

if there is a MASSIVE GAPING HOLE underneath abuilding, then the same amount of debris will be in that spot, but with the hole it will make a "crater"


Then why don't we find this at the other buildings?



because the buildings imploded.


ready? because i'm going to say it again.

the buildings IMPLODED. that's why the buildings around them did not collapse.


What the hell... you're not making any sense... what buildings imploded? If they imploded, then why do you say they didn't collapse???

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~ the propaganda department ~



Okay well how about you tell us what it SHOULD look like.

See if it should look like the other buildings - that you claim where control demolished - The obviously it fell down for its own reasons

If it was controlled demolished but doesn't look like the other buildings, then they must have fallen down for their own reasons

[krims]

Umm... learn to speak English, I can't understand what you wrote.