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[ramashkagromik]

It should switch to the economic system of that like Norways, Sweden's, and Denmark's. High Taxes for the rich, and i mean high, 30-50%, free health insurence, free education, living subsidies for the poor.
The point of this economic system is to concentrate the money in one place, the government, for a more efficient spending.
Think of it like a big company controlling the whole market, it can really use the efficientcy on the supply meeting the demand and nothing going to waste like overproduction.
The government would own all major companies like electricity, water, and perhaps even oil.

[Darbyh25]

no thanks

[LostSoul3412]

ramashkagromik wrote: It should switch to the economic system of that like Norways, Sweden's, and Denmark's. High Taxes for the rich, and i mean high, 30-50%, free health insurence, free education, living subsidies for the poor.

We need to eliminate taxes, not raise them. There is never a free lunch, just other people that pay for it. Why is it fair to take my money to pay for someone else?

ramashkagromik wrote: The point of this economic system is to concentrate the money in one place,

What's wrong with people owning money?

ramashkagromik wrote: the government, for a more efficient spending.

"Government" and "efficient" never mix...

ramashkagromik wrote: Think of it like a big company controlling the whole market, it can really use the efficientcy on the supply meeting the demand and nothing going to waste like overproduction.

Really, really, really bad analogy.

First of all, one company can never hold a total monopoly over an entire market without government support.

Second, the result would be to maximize profit for the business with no concern for the customer.

Third, the only difference between a government and a corporation is that the government forces you to do business with it.

ramashkagromik wrote: The government would own all major companies like electricity, water, and perhaps even oil.

No.

All those things should be privatized to increase quality, drop price, and give the consumer choice.

[ramashkagromik]

danm you guys are good, i really have to plan my posts better, you pick on every word, and that's the way it should be.

Still i really believe that taxes should be high, then the whole country can feel as a community and not everyone for themselves.
All for one and one for all, that is why Denmark is considered the happiest country.

[LostSoul3412]

ramashkagromik wrote: danm you guys are good, i really have to plan my posts better, you pick on every word, and that's the way it should be.

Welcome to the battlefield.

ramashkagromik wrote: Still i really believe that taxes should be high, then the whole country can feel as a community and not everyone for themselves.

Give me all your assets to help build a better community.

ramashkagromik wrote: All for one and one for all, that is why Denmark is considered the happiest country.

So? I'm happy with my life, that's all that matters.

[Free Thinkr]

ramashkagromik wrote: The point of this economic system is to concentrate the money in one place, the government, for a more efficient spending.
Since when were governments known for their efficient spending?

[evil muppet]

[quote="ramashkagromik"]It should switch to the economic system of that like Norways, Sweden's, and Denmark's. High Taxes for the rich, and i mean high, 30-50%, free health insurence, free education, living subsidies for the poor.
The point of this economic system is to concentrate the money in one place, the government, for a more efficient spending.
Think of it like a big company controlling the whole market, it can really use the efficientcy on the supply meeting the demand and nothing going to waste like overproduction.
The government would own all major companies like electricity, water, and perhaps even oil.[/quote]

There is a name for a system like this. It is called Fascism.

[gavnook]

ramashkagromik wrote: The point of this economic system is to concentrate the money in one place, the government, for a more efficient spending.

:rotf:


Very funny, but you're supposed to post jokes here.

[perdidochas]

ramashkagromik wrote: It should switch to the economic system of that like Norways, Sweden's, and Denmark's. High Taxes for the rich, and i mean high, 30-50%, free health insurence, free education, living subsidies for the poor.

Besides the free health insurance, we have all of the above.



ramashkagromik wrote: The point of this economic system is to concentrate the money in one place, the government, for a more efficient spending.

The biggest of those three countries in population is Sweden, with a population of around 10 million. That's the size of a large state, only about 3.5% of our population. (the other two have populations in the 5-6 million range, the size of a mid-sized state, each less than 2% of our population). What might work in a fairly small country that is pretty homogeneous won't work in a huge diverse country. Our government is not as efficient as theirs, due to it's larger size. Government is not the most efficient at spending and producing. I used to work for the government, you would be amazed at how money is sometimes wasted.

ramashkagromik wrote: Think of it like a big company controlling the whole market, it can really use the efficientcy on the supply meeting the demand and nothing going to waste like overproduction.
The government would own all major companies like electricity, water, and perhaps even oil.

It wouldn't work.

[TheGirlNextDoor]

ramashkagromik wrote:

Still i really believe that taxes should be high, then the whole country can feel as a community and not everyone for themselves.

How high is high? High taxes don't make people feel a sense of community. We are already taxed on our hard earned money, and whatever is left over that we spend it taxed again in the way of sales tax and property tax and if there's anything left after all of that, then we pay taxes on the interest we earn by putting that left over into the bank/investing- so you want us to pay more?

Hell no. I pay enough already, thank you very much.

How much more and when does that stop? Who am I entrusting *my* money to again? The government? I think not.


Quote: All for one and one for all, that is why Denmark is considered the happiest country.


:gdgf:

[perdidochas]

ramashkagromik wrote: danm you guys are good, i really have to plan my posts better, you pick on every word, and that's the way it should be.

Still i really believe that taxes should be high, then the whole country can feel as a community and not everyone for themselves.
All for one and one for all, that is why Denmark is considered the happiest country.

High taxes just cause rich people to figure out how to hide their taxes. Moderate taxes don't give them the reason to do so--it's not worth the extra accounting money to get out of paying moderate level taxes, but it is to get out of paying high taxes. That is why tax income was higher than expected.

[Varyag]

ramashkagromik wrote: It should switch to the economic system of that like Norways, Sweden's, and Denmark's. High Taxes for the rich, and i mean high, 30-50%, free health insurence, free education, living subsidies for the poor.

Thats already happned in the USA:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal

Also under Nixon and Carter America's Social Security register doubled every year or so.

Quote: The government would own all major companies like electricity, water, and perhaps even oil.

That too has already happned where necessary ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Postal_Service

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak

Also the US gov. has been more than keen to intervene to ensure the efficiency of its private sector. AT&T in the 80's and the resulting "baby bell's" are a good example.

[Brooklyn]

Quote: Still i really believe that taxes should be high, then the whole country can feel as a community and not everyone for themselves. All for one and one for all, that is why Denmark is considered the happiest country.

Im pretty happy when I get to keep more of my own money. High taxes may bring the U.S. together to complain about taxes. But thats about it.

[Fishstyx]

That economic concept may work for a small country but wouldn't work for the US. It s*cks away drive and innovation. Which are driven by ambition. If the better you do, the more the government takes, what's the point? The betterment of mankind? Thats just not human nature. We thrive on competition!

[gavnook]

ramashkagromik wrote: The point of this economic system is to concentrate the money in one place, the government, for a more efficient spending.

The biggest of those three countries in population is Sweden, with a population of around 10 million. That's the size of a large state, only about 3.5% of our population. (the other two have populations in the 5-6 million range, the size of a mid-sized state, each less than 2% of our population). What might work in a fairly small country that is pretty homogeneous won't work in a huge diverse country. Our government is not as efficient as theirs, due to it's larger size. Government is not the most efficient at spending and producing. I used to work for the government, you would be amazed at how money is sometimes wasted.[/quote]

It doesn't "work" in small countries either. See Nima Sanandaji on Sweden.

[ramashkagromik]

Quote: The point of this economic system is to concentrate the money in one place, the government, for a more efficient spending.

You say this will not work for the government wastes money.
But what about the War Industries Board that was instituted during the first world war. This board took over the management of productions of major industries. It acted as a middle man between the buyer (demand) and the seller (supply), thus nothing went to waste and all goods and money were distributed accordingly. The WIB was very successful in setting production quotas and allocating raw materials appropriately.

The WIB was ofcource a kind of an aggressive institution, but i believe that something like this but a bit more moderate would help out the US economy a lot.

[LostSoul3412]

ramashkagromik wrote: You say this will not work for the government wastes money.

No, I say it will not work because the government has no right to steal money from me.

[Anarko-Kapitalizt]

LostSoul3412 wrote: ramashkagromik wrote: You say this will not work for the government wastes money.

No, I say it will not work because the government has no right to steal money from me.

Yes, but the government thinks you are its property and can take whatever it wants from you.

[LostSoul3412]

Anarko-Kapitalizt wrote: Yes, but the government thinks you are its property and can take whatever it wants from you.

Sure they can; they have guns, tanks, planes, bombs, ships, grenades, and nuclear weapons that I paid for; so it's only natural that they have the right to use my money to steal more money.

[Comrade Dave]

Guys, take it all out on me. He's a budding socialist. Cut him some slack. Now lets debate this legitimately. That capitalist thread was becoming an eye sore.

"Give them to me while they're young and they're mine forever." :twisted: