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Varyag
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:34 pm Post subject: Christians mass rally in Lebanon |
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Quote: BEIRUT, Lebanon — An anti-Syrian Christian leader dismissed Hezbollah's claims of victory in its war with Israel as tens of thousands of his supporters rallied Sunday in a show of strength that highlighted Lebanon's sharp divisions.
The rally north of Beirut came just two days after a massive gathering by the rival Shiite Muslim Hezbollah that attracted hundreds of thousands. The two sides have been at sharp odds over the future of the Lebanese government since this summer's Israeli-Hezbollah war.
Samir Geagea, a notorious former leader of a Christian militia, scoffed at Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah's declaration that his guerrillas achieved "a victory" against Israel.
"I don't feel victory because the majority of the Lebanese people do not feel victory. Rather, they feel that a major catastrophe had befallen them and made their present and future uncertain," he said.
Hezbollah's fight with Israel sent its support soaring among Shiites. But a large sector — particularly among Christians and Sunni Muslims — opposes Hezbollah and resents it for provoking the monthlong fight by capturing two Israeli soldiers on July 12.
The war killed hundreds of Lebanese civilians and left part of the country's infrastructure in ruins, causing billions of dollars in damage to the economy.
Geagea, who served more than a decade in prison on multiple counts of murder dating to the 1975-90 civil war, backs the Western-leaning government of Prime Minister Fuad Saniora. His party is a member of the anti-Syrian parliamentary majority in Lebanon.
Geagea's supporters, waving his pictures and the white, red and green flag of his Lebanese Forces Party, arrived in buses and cars at the shrine of the Virgin Mary in the town of Harissa, about 15 miles north of Beirut.
Addressing his supporters after a mass to commemorate Christian militiamen killed in the civil war, Geagea rejected Nasrallah's vow to keep his weapons, saying the guerrilla group was blocking the establishment of "a strong and capable (Lebanese) state" for which Nasrallah was calling.
"When we find a solution to (the issue of Hezbollah's) weapons, then it will be possible to establish the state as it should be," he said.
Geagea, who backs Hezbollah's disarmament, implicitly accused the Iranian- and Syrian-backed group of running "a state within a state" in south Lebanon.
"How can a state be established while there is a mini-state (within its borders)? How can this state be established while every day arms and ammunitions are smuggled (to Hezbollah) under its (the state's) nose?" he said.
Nasrallah vowed at a massive rally Friday in Beirut's southern suburbs not to disarm despite international pressure. Some 800,000 Hezbollah supporters cheered Nasrallah at the gathering to celebrate what Hezbollah called "a divine victory" against Israel in the 34-day war that ended on Aug. 14.
In his speech, Nasrallah also called for the formation of a new government, repeatedly attacking Saniora's administration, which he called weak and unable to protect Lebanon from Israel.
Hezbollah's push for a stronger political role could deepen tensions in a country already sharply divided over the war.
Geagea rejected Nasrallah's call for a new government, defending Saniora's administration. Despite "some loopholes and defects," it is for the first time "a Lebanese, sovereign and independent one," he said.
Syria dominated Lebanon for nearly three decades before it withdrew its troops last year under heavy international pressure following the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.
Syria is accused of involvement in Hariri's death, which it denies.
Geagea was arrested in April 1994 and his group was banned after a church bombing killed 10 people. He was later acquitted in the bombing but sentenced to three life terms on several other murder counts, including the killing of pro-Syrian Prime Minister Rashid Karami.
Geagea served 11 years in prison before he was released in July 2005, when Lebanon's parliament approved a motion to pardon him.
He was leader of the Lebanese Forces — the country's most powerful Christian militia during the Lebanese civil war. Israel backed the militia during that conflict and the Israeli invasion in 1982 to expel Palestinian guerrillas.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215458,00.html?sPage=fnc.world/mideast
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Also, combined with the fact that the Hezbollah rally was in some ways falsified (ie. Syrians brought in to boost numbers), it seems that the Christians of Lebanon actively recognize the destructive influence muslims have on their country. |
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skinn
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| the LF pro-israeli christian extremist party got 20% of the votes of the christians in the last elections :lol: |
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Varyag
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| oh my, only 20%? :lol: That makes it mainstream, not extremist. LF is hardly the only chrsitian, anti-hezbollah party either. |
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skinn
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: |
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Varyag wrote: oh my, only 20%? :lol: That makes it mainstream, not extremist. LF is hardly the only chrsitian, anti-hezbollah party either.
i fact, it is, you can add the kataeb bankrupt party with nayla w3awwad :lol: and you'll get 25% of christians, not much... |
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Venom
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:39 am Post subject: |
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Skinn
What % is pro Hezbollah in your country?
Also Quote: the LF pro-israeli christian extremist
Are they blowing themselves up in your markets and kidnapping people? |
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ALi*
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:54 am Post subject: |
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venom.... this guy samir geagea teh LF leader was imprisonend for 15 years for terrorists attacks against churches and for the assassination of numerous political fgures in lebanon.
I cant see why ur exited to know theres sum1 agaisnt hezbollah in lebanon....
well its a democratic country.
and ur question... 60% if not more are pro-hezbollah in lebanon and the ramining 40% also include people who support them... |
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Varyag
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| Stop lying about Hezbollah, if they were that popular they would have more than 14/128 seats in the LNA. |
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slitedeviance
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Varyag wrote: Stop lying about Hezbollah, if they were that popular they would have more than 14/128 seats in the LNA.
Don't forget that Ali is probably referring to current trends. Since the actions of Hizbollah and the IDF the support for Hizbollah has risen massively. |
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the sane voice
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: |
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slitedeviance wrote: Varyag wrote: Stop lying about Hezbollah, if they were that popular they would have more than 14/128 seats in the LNA.
Don't forget that Ali is probably referring to current trends. Since the actions of Hizbollah and the IDF the support for Hizbollah has risen massively.
to 60% and more?thats fantasy
if ali can support this with a survey that will be something else |
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ALi*
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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omg guys heres my advice for you... do not argue in sumthing u dont know.....
Parliament of Lebanon Seat Allocation Confession
Before Taif After Taif
Maronite 30 34
Greek Orthodox 11 14
Greek Catholic 6 8
Armenian Orthodox 4 5
Armenian Catholic 1 1
Protestant 1 1
Other Christians 1 1
Total Christians 54 64
Sunni 20 27
Shi'a 19 27
Druze 6 8
Alawite 0 2
Total Muslims 45 64
Total 99 128
Hope Movement or Amal Movement (Harakat Amal) 15
Party of God (Hezbollah) 14
therefore from 27 shiaa sieges hezbollah and AMAL have 29! (+2 christians)
so 14 is the highest u can get....
Quote: Stop lying about Hezbollah, if they were that popular they would have more than 14/128 seats in the LNA.
see??? so stfu and think before posting...or at least ask....
heres the full page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Lebanon |
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Pebble
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Party of God (Hezbollah) 14
From your link. |
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the sane voice
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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ALi* wrote:
Party of God (Hezbollah) 14
therefore from 27 shiaa sieges hezbollah and AMAL have 29! (+2 christians)
so 14 is the highest u can get....
Quote: Stop lying about Hezbollah, if they were that popular they would have more than 14/128 seats in the LNA.
see??? so stfu and think before posting...or at least ask....
yeah i dont get it he said 14 |
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ALi*
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Resistance and Development Bloc 35
Aoun Alliance 21
total 56/128 = 43%
Rafik Hariri Martyr List 72/128 = 56%
u should also note the only way they got 72 sieges is because they formed an alliance with hezbollah wich they broke soon after the election.
Aoun got his deputees alone.... he was running against hezbollah .... wich shows the christians support he actually has.
now any new election will form a completely different parliement with at least 60% of the sieges!! ;)
(thats exactly why teh current government wouldnt aprove new elections) |
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ALi*
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Pebble wrote: Quote: Party of God (Hezbollah) 14
From your link.
well ya also from my post... wats wrong?
read the link again... mayeb ull understand why 14 is a high number. |
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Pebble
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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ALi* wrote: Pebble wrote: Quote: Party of God (Hezbollah) 14
From your link.
well ya also from my post... wats wrong?
read the link again... mayeb ull understand why 14 is a high number.
The political arm of Hezbollah has 14 seats, end of. I don't see what you're getting at... |
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EightyEight
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| who gives a crap if hizbullah has support among some morons. hizbullah is still terrorists and they will contribute to the problems in lebanon. |
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battleax86
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Pebble wrote: ALi* wrote: Pebble wrote: Quote: Party of God (Hezbollah) 14
From your link.
well ya also from my post... wats wrong?
read the link again... mayeb ull understand why 14 is a high number.
The political arm of Hezbollah has 14 seats, end of. I don't see what you're getting at...
He was including the 15 seats that belong to Harakat Amal, the party that Hezbollah broke off from in the 1980s... |
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the sane voice
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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battleax86 wrote: Pebble wrote: ALi* wrote: Pebble wrote: Quote: Party of God (Hezbollah) 14
From your link.
well ya also from my post... wats wrong?
read the link again... mayeb ull understand why 14 is a high number.
The political arm of Hezbollah has 14 seats, end of. I don't see what you're getting at...
He was including the 15 seats that belong to Harakat Amal, the party that Hezbollah broke off from in the 1980s...
its still not 60 percent |
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skinn
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Venom wrote: Skinn
What % is pro Hezbollah in your country?
Also Quote: the LF pro-israeli christian extremist
Are they blowing themselves up in your markets and kidnapping people?
i am talking about each political movement inside their sect, LF is a christian separatist racist sectarian party, hizbollah is a religious shiite party.
LF got 20% of christians
Hizbollah got 90% of shiites
so hizbollah represents most shiites, while LF represents a minority of christians. |
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battleax86
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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the sane voice wrote: battleax86 wrote: Pebble wrote: ALi* wrote: Pebble wrote: Quote: Party of God (Hezbollah) 14
From your link.
well ya also from my post... wats wrong?
read the link again... mayeb ull understand why 14 is a high number.
The political arm of Hezbollah has 14 seats, end of. I don't see what you're getting at...
He was including the 15 seats that belong to Harakat Amal, the party that Hezbollah broke off from in the 1980s...
its still not 60 percent
I know, I'm just saying where he got his numbers from.
skinn wrote: i am talking about each political movement inside their sect, LF is a christian separatist racist sectarian party, hizbollah is a religious shiite party.
LF got 20% of christians
Hizbollah got 90% of shiites
so hizbollah represents most shiites, while LF represents a minority of christians.
As EightyEight said, this is irrelevant. Having the support of every Shiite man, woman, and child in Lebanon wouldn't change the fact that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. |
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