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[Patriot911]

Gremlin wrote: Patriot911 wrote: I am forwarding this post on to all my friends.


you have friends... as in more then one?

Still only able to do troll posts, Gremlin? Come on. You use to at least be able to talk about the issues instead of just insulting people. It is nice that you show people your true colors and just what kind of person you are, but you should at least make SOME kind of attempt at adhering to the forum rules.

So what is your stance on the issue, Gremlin? Do you believe that anyone caught in a 9/11 conspiracy will never be tried and instead end up with a show on Fox? :rofl: If so, why do you even care if your twisted version of a conspiracy theory ever gets accepted if the people you are trying to get convicted would never stand trial? ;-)

And for the record, I have numerous friends. :lol:

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: You claimed it was in Houston. Wrong. It was in Freeport.
To a New Yorker, Freeport basically looks like a suburb of Houston.

Quote: You claimed students are forced to recite the pledge to the red white and green. Wrong on numerous counts.
Here ya go:

Quote: She claimed everyone there was asked to pledge allegiance to the Mexican flag.

http://thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=3227734224e7fb1c


Quote: No mention is made in the Mexican pledge of allegiance to the colors of the flag.
It's a figure of speech.

I see know that this is beyond your powers of abstraction.. or perhaps you're red-green colorblind.

In either case, when you pledge allegiance to the American flag, since the flag is red-white-blue you can euphemistically talk about pledging allegiance to the "red white and blue".



I leave doing the same exercise w/ the Mexican flag and its colors to you, the reader.

See above pic for more guidance.

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: So what is your stance on the issue, Gremlin? Do you believe that anyone caught in a 9/11 conspiracy will never be tried and instead end up with a show on Fox?
Micahel Chertoff has seen some nice promotions since 9/11, hasn't he?


Come my minions, rise for your Master!
Let your evil shine!!
Shred that Constitution, yes! Fly ever faster!!

and soon.. oh so soon..

The world will be mine!! AAAALL MINE!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

It pays to know who your Master really is, Patriot911... it pays to know who you're really working for.

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: You claimed it was in Houston. Wrong. It was in Freeport.
To a New Yorker, Freeport basically looks like a suburb of Houston.

Quote: You claimed students are forced to recite the pledge to the red white and green. Wrong on numerous counts.
Here ya go:

Quote: She claimed everyone there was asked to pledge allegiance to the Mexican flag.

http://thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=3227734224e7fb1c


Quote: No mention is made in the Mexican pledge of allegiance to the colors of the flag.
It's a figure of speech.

I see know that this is beyond your powers of abstraction.. or perhaps you're red-green colorblind.

In either case, when you pledge allegiance to the American flag, since the flag is red-white-blue you can euphemistically talk about pledging allegiance to the "red white and blue".

I leave doing the same exercise w/ the Mexican flag and its colors to you, the reader.

So you base your claim on the claim of a single anonymous caller that goes against everyone's recollection of the event that it was a few parent volunteers? :roll: Talk about selective reading! Either way you can't deny it was a single, isolated event and not an ongoing issue as you implied. Well, I take that back. You probably will deny it. The truth has never stopped you from making ridiculous claims before.

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: Talk about selective reading!
It's no more nor less selective reading than your manner of reading.

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: So what is your stance on the issue, Gremlin? Do you believe that anyone caught in a 9/11 conspiracy will never be tried and instead end up with a show on Fox?
Micahel Chertoff has seen some nice promotions since 9/11, hasn't he?


Come my minions, rise for your Master!
Let your evil shine!!
Shred that Constitution, yes! Fly ever faster!!

and soon.. oh so soon..

The world will be mine!! AAAALL MINE!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

It pays to know who your Master really is, Patriot911... it pays to know who you're really working for.

Yet another baseless claim. :roll: You still haven't proven a single point you've tried to make.

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: Yet another baseless claim. :roll: You still haven't proven a single point you've tried to make.
A brief review of Michael Chertoff's resume will prove that he (the co-author of the Patriot Act, I might add .. strange indeed, since I thought it was the members of Congress who were responsible for authoring legislation) has seen some very nice career advancements since 9/11.

He doesn't have his own talk show yet, but he still has a long career ahead of him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire into such a position in another 15 or 20 years.

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Talk about selective reading!
It's no more nor less selective reading than your manner of reading.

Wrong yet again. I read the whole article while you read a single sentence and based your claim on that one sentence and ignored the rest. Since I can show specific examples of you taking things out of context or selectively picking and choosing which information you wish to accept and which you choose to ignore, and since you can't show these same examples about me, I would say your above statement is just another lie we can chalk up to you.

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: Since I can show specific examples of you taking things out of context or selectively picking and choosing which information you wish to accept and which you choose to ignore, and since you can't show these same examples about me
I did provide you w/ an example of how you selectively took things out of context..

See above.

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Yet another baseless claim. :roll: You still haven't proven a single point you've tried to make.
A breif review of Michael Chertoff's resume will prove that he (the co-author of the Patriot Act, I might add .. strange indeed, since I thought it was the members of Congress who were responsible for authoring legislation) has seen some very nice career advancements since 9/11.

He doesn't have his own talk show yet, but he still has a long career ahead of him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire into such a position in another 15 or 20 years.

Yet you have zero proof that he was in any way involved with 9/11. Also, unlike Ollie North, Chertoff has never gone to trial, much less been indicted, much less even been officially accused of misconduct such as you allude to. Gee. Who to believe.... Psholtz who lies and exaggerates constantly or the evidence. I think I will go with the evidence.

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Since I can show specific examples of you taking things out of context or selectively picking and choosing which information you wish to accept and which you choose to ignore, and since you can't show these same examples about me
I did provide you w/ an example of how you selectively took things out of context..

See above.

Where? All I see is you squirming trying to prove you didn't lie and exaggerate. Unfortunately you've neither proven I selectively read an article nor that you are not a liar / exaggerator. You're batting .000 so far.

[JohnnyQ]

Free Thinkr wrote: yanniv wrote: MG1962 wrote: Quote: That would just fuel the fire.

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Wrong answer - Leaving him alive is doing the same thing.

Warning self defeating arguement alert

Killing him would be even bigger is all I'm saying.
Bigger and more obvious than 9/11? :lol: Sure, whatever.

Everyone knows there is a conspiracy theory to pretty much every event. Dylan Avery is just another one of the theorists.
But when he gains a lot of attention and all of a sudden dies... it brings more fuel to the fire.

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Yet another baseless claim. :roll: You still haven't proven a single point you've tried to make.
A breif review of Michael Chertoff's resume will prove that he (the co-author of the Patriot Act, I might add .. strange indeed, since I thought it was the members of Congress who were responsible for authoring legislation) has seen some very nice career advancements since 9/11.

He doesn't have his own talk show yet, but he still has a long career ahead of him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire into such a position in another 15 or 20 years.

Yet you have zero proof that he was in any way involved with 9/11. Also, unlike Ollie North, Chertoff has never gone to trial, much less been indicted, much less even been officially accused of misconduct such as you allude to. Gee. Who to believe.... Psholtz who lies and exaggerates constantly or the evidence. I think I will go with the evidence.
Chertoff was unquestionably involved in the coverup of 9/11 after the fact. Consider the following:

Dr. Magdy el-Amir, an Egyptian-born neurologist based in New Jersey was at the center of terrorist intrigue in Jersey City, NJ leading up to and immediately after 9/11:

* El-Amir gave money to a conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman;
* His brother in Cairo was caught on tape attempting to buy weapons from an American undercover agent for Islamic militant groups;
* Before being arrested in a terrorist deal involving oil and heroin for guns and training, arms smuggler Diaa Mohsen was paid at least $5,000 by one of Dr. el Amir’s companies, NBC’s Dateline reported;
* El-Amir’s HMO was suspected by law enforcement of being used to funnel money directly to Osama bin Laden;

El-Amir is a former legal client of Michael Chertoff, and he was protected by Chertoff during the government "investigation" into 9/11. He (El-Amir) also sits at the center of the drug-money-trail that betrays who really pulled off 9/11 and why.

Google "Magdy El-Amir" and you'll be hot on the trail of who pulled off 9/11 and why..

[Patriot911]

yanniv wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: yanniv wrote: MG1962 wrote: Quote: That would just fuel the fire.

zzzzziiiiiiiiippppppppt

Wrong answer - Leaving him alive is doing the same thing.

Warning self defeating arguement alert

Killing him would be even bigger is all I'm saying.
Bigger and more obvious than 9/11? :lol: Sure, whatever.

Everyone knows there is a conspiracy theory to pretty much every event. Dylan Avery is just another one of the theorists.
But when he gains a lot of attention and all of a sudden dies... it brings more fire to the fuel.

Thats the whole point. The government, if it were anywhere near as ruthless and bloodthirsty as you claim, would have knocked him off when loose change first came out and before anyone even knew who he was. They wouldn't have let it get this big.

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: Thats the whole point. The government, if it were anywhere near as ruthless and bloodthirsty as you claim, would have knocked him off when loose change first came out and before anyone even knew who he was. They wouldn't have let it get this big.
A Soviet government might be.

The U.S. model is not like the Soviet model.


Fabian Socialism, as depicted on a stained-glass window at the
Webb House in England. Carefully note the wolf-in-sheep's clothing
on the Fabian crest.

In the U.S., we practice Fabian socialism, and under the Fabian model the government is careful to mislead and covertly subvert, but it does not overtly strike w/ an iron fist like amongst the Soviets. Rather, a Fabian government acts like a wolf-in-sheep's clothing.. and so it must present itself publicly as a well-behaved, peaceful sheep.. not as the snarling, murderous wolf that it truly is.

In time, of course, we will degrade into the Soviet model, but for now we still slave under the Fabian model.

[JohnnyQ]

Patriot911 wrote: yanniv wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: yanniv wrote: MG1962 wrote: Quote: That would just fuel the fire.

zzzzziiiiiiiiippppppppt

Wrong answer - Leaving him alive is doing the same thing.

Warning self defeating arguement alert

Killing him would be even bigger is all I'm saying.
Bigger and more obvious than 9/11? :lol: Sure, whatever.

Everyone knows there is a conspiracy theory to pretty much every event. Dylan Avery is just another one of the theorists.
But when he gains a lot of attention and all of a sudden dies... it brings more fire to the fuel.

Thats the whole point. The government, if it were anywhere near as ruthless and bloodthirsty as you claim, would have knocked him off when loose change first came out and before anyone even knew who he was. They wouldn't have let it get this big.

All I'm saying is it would get more attention and people would be highly suspicious why the government would knock off one guy. When that happens a lot more people become suspicious and will look into it. It is better if you just leave a minority of people believing it then chance a majority.

[Gremlin]

Dumbass911 wrote: Gremlin wrote: Patriot911 wrote: I am forwarding this post on to all my friends.


you have friends... as in more then one?

Still only able to do troll posts, Gremlin? Come on. You use to at least be able to talk about the issues instead of just insulting people. It is nice that you show people your true colors and just what kind of person you are, but you should at least make SOME kind of attempt at adhering to the forum rules.



just spreading the love.
Click on this icon that is on every post – – if you are getting butthurt that im dishing out a troll post onto a troll… maybe it would have been more fitting to put the Dumbass911 call sign… the… :rofl:


Dumbass911 wrote: So what is your stance on the issue, Gremlin? Do you believe that anyone caught in a 9/11 conspiracy will never be tried and instead end up with a show on Fox? :rofl: If so, why do you even care if your twisted version of a conspiracy theory ever gets accepted if the people you are trying to get convicted would never stand trial? ;-)



I believe im gonna live out my life to the fullest and if the time comes when my Countrymen need me ill fight my way to the front lines, to risk my hide if i have too. The real players that brought us 9/11 dont have names or identities that can be brought to justice. All we have are the public pawns that are more then expendable.



Dumbass911 wrote: And for the record, I have numerous friends. :lol:

Good for you, pardon me if i dont believe a liar though. :wink:

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: I believe im gonna live out my life to the fullest and if the time comes when my Countrymen need me ill fight my way to the front lines, to risk my hide if i have too. The real players that brought us 9/11 dont have names or identities that can be brought to justice. All we have are the public pawns that are more then expendable.


Yeah God forbid you might actually do something

[Gremlin]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: I believe im gonna live out my life to the fullest and if the time comes when my Countrymen need me ill fight my way to the front lines, to risk my hide if i have too. The real players that brought us 9/11 dont have names or identities that can be brought to justice. All we have are the public pawns that are more then expendable.


Yeah God forbid you might actually do something


I could state what i have done in the past to get the word out, but then it would just be text on a forum post. There is no united front in a nation where divisions is the norm. If that comes my ass will be there.

Do a search for "Glamis Sand Dunes" if you want to see previous posting on what i have done.

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: I could state what i have done in the past to get the word out, but then it would just be text on a forum post. There is no united front in a nation where divisions is the norm. If that comes my ass will be there.

Do a search for "Glamis Sand Dunes" if you want to see previous posting on what i have done.

See this is my point. How united where the people in South Africa when Ghandi began his actions. You want a united front, sometime you need to lead from the front, instead of sitting back and waiting.

Sadly I didn't get anything useful on the Dunes thing :( I fear whatever you did has been swamped by tourist information and reports of vehicle accidents)