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[The Comrade]

evil muppet wrote: The Comrade wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: Some are stupid enough, that we know.

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and do you think me telling otacon to beat up his teacher would make a difference if he was stupid enough to do it anyways?

Well he is going to public skool.

and there is nothing wrong with public school.

[airo]

This is inane.

[Lucky Luke]

The Comrade wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: Some are stupid enough, that we know.

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and do you think me telling otacon to beat up his teacher would make a difference if he was stupid enough to do it anyways?

Your call but there is no way of knowing, posters of VampireFreaks.com know now to take youngsters loving guns seriously when some feel misunderstood at school.
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[Æ]

Anarko-Kapitalizt wrote: I love the whole the Constitution gives rights argument, it makes me laugh my ass off.
It's just a sloppy mistatement. The constitution doesn't give rights; it protects them.

9th Amendment wrote: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

[perdidochas]

Otacon wrote: My United States History teacher yesterday decided to talk a little about politics. In class we discussed the Death Penalty, Abortion, Taxes, and then we got onto the subject of Gun Control. My teacher talked about why we should inforce gun control laws and regulate ammo to where anytime you buy any, each individual bullet is registered to you. I began by saying that this would be a bad thing seeing how someone could steal your ammo and kill someone, and it would appear that you did it. He shrugged it off and continued onto the subjects of assault weapons.

Not only that, but there's the technical aspect. The costs to maintain the "bullet" database would be enormous. Also, it is ridiculously easy to make bullets.

Otacon wrote: He said that assault weapons and fully automatic weapons should be banned because their only purpose is to kill people. He claimed that only murders buy assault weapons. I pointed out that only 2% of all crimes are commited with assault weapons and that many people buy them for hunting, home defence, and recreational shooting. He told me that my arguement was the most retarded thing he's ever heard. He acts as though the few criminals that actually own assault weapons buy them legally. He then goes on to say that Americans do not have the right to own a gun.

From studies of murderers, it was found that only about 20% bought their guns legally. About 40% buy them through straw purchasers (primarily relatives who are legally allowed to buy weapons), and the other 40% are either stolen by the criminals or bought as stolen weapons.

Otacon wrote: I call him on it, citing the Second Amendment. He takes out his pocket Constitution from his desk and reads the amendment and claims that means that only members of the police or military can own guns. I said that the word "people" does not change from amendment to amendment and that the Founding Fathers intended the militia to be the people. Confronted with this, he chooses to ignore me and said that the Founding Fathers couldn't imagine a weapon that could kill so many people in such a short time frame. I said that the gatling gun wasn't to far of from full production and that Ben Franklin owned cannons. However, he chose to ignore the facts and tell everyone that I was stupid and not to listen to me, and that gun control was the way to go.

Also, in terms of the technology, I would say, that radio/TV shouldn't be protected under the First Amendment, nor should Scientology.

Otacon wrote: Oh, and at the end of the conversation, another student asked who he is going to vote for in the next presidental election, and he said Hillary. :roll: Go figure. :lol:

How unprofessional. My wife, when she taught social studies, wouldn't even allow me to put political bumper stickers on either of our cars, to avoid an appearance of bias. I find that most leftist teachers are not nearly as ethical about such things, as most conservative teachers (based on my 8 yr teaching, and my subsequent 4 years as a teacher's husband).

[perdidochas]

The Comrade wrote: Otacon wrote: My United States History teacher yesterday decided to talk a little about politics. In class we discussed the Death Penalty, Abortion, Taxes, and then we got onto the subject of Gun Control. My teacher talked about why we should inforce gun control laws and regulate ammo to where anytime you buy any, each individual bullet is registered to you. I began by saying that this would be a bad thing seeing how someone could steal your ammo and kill someone, and it would appear that you did it. He shrugged it off and continued onto the subjects of assault weapons.

He said that assault weapons and fully automatic weapons should be banned because their only purpose is to kill people. He claimed that only murders buy assault weapons. I pointed out that only 2% of all crimes are commited with assault weapons and that many people buy them for hunting, home defence, and recreational shooting. He told me that my arguement was the most retarded thing he's ever heard. He acts as though the few criminals that actually own assault weapons buy them legally. He then goes on to say that Americans do not have the right to own a gun.

I call him on it, citing the Second Amendment. He takes out his pocket Constitution from his desk and reads the amendment and claims that means that only members of the police or military can own guns. I said that the word "people" does not change from amendment to amendment and that the Founding Fathers intended the militia to be the people. Confronted with this, he chooses to ignore me and said that the Founding Fathers couldn't imagine a weapon that could kill so many people in such a short time frame. I said that the gatling gun wasn't to far of from full production and that Ben Franklin owned cannons. However, he chose to ignore the facts and tell everyone that I was stupid and not to listen to me, and that gun control was the way to go.

Oh, and at the end of the conversation, another student asked who he is going to vote for in the next presidental election, and he said Hillary. :roll: Go figure. :lol:


trip your teacher down the stairs at your school( if you have them).


if that doesn't work you should challenge him to fisticuffs at 3:00 after school.

Inappropriate response. If you're pro-gun, please stop posting stupidity like this. If you're anti-gun, please acknowledge that you are.

[perdidochas]

The Comrade wrote: how did i get drawn into this....


Your stupid post quoted below:

The Comrade wrote:
trip your teacher down the stairs at your school( if you have them).


if that doesn't work you should challenge him to fisticuffs at 3:00 after school.

[perdidochas]

The Comrade wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: airo wrote:

Do you think i should be sued by PETA if i say "I'm so hungry i could eat a horse"?

If you compare eating a horse to a violent assault to a teacher Airo, you are in need of some help.

Why sitting on the fence, here you have the opportunity to really tell us how violent society should be and yet you refuse to take side.
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i made a joke.


stop taking it further then that.

Then, because of the nature of internet forums, you should have made it certain that it was viewed as a joke. Sarcasm is hard to achieve without facial expresssions, IMHO. A smiley would have made it evident that it was a joke, not a serious expression of your sentiments. Lucky Luke misinterpreted you as being serious (as did I), and commented on that.

[airo]

perdidochas wrote: The Comrade wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: airo wrote:

Do you think i should be sued by PETA if i say "I'm so hungry i could eat a horse"?

If you compare eating a horse to a violent assault to a teacher Airo, you are in need of some help.

Why sitting on the fence, here you have the opportunity to really tell us how violent society should be and yet you refuse to take side.
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i made a joke.


stop taking it further then that.

Then, because of the nature of internet forums, you should have made it certain that it was viewed as a joke. Sarcasm is hard to achieve without facial expresssions, IMHO. A smiley would have made it evident that it was a joke, not a serious expression of your sentiments. Lucky Luke misinterpreted you as being serious (as did I), and commented on that.

Seriously, am i the ONLY one that saw his hyperbole for what it was?

Because of the nature of internet forums, i assume EVERYTHING is a joke unless otherwise stated. Is this a discussion site? Yes. But it's on the internet, first and foremost.

Besides, smilies don't help. Look at Lucky's posts, he includes smilies in every one but people still think he's being serious!

[Otacon]

I wouldn't try and trip him or anything because he'd fail me then. :lol: Seriously, the guy's arguement is a joke. Everything he said can easily be refuted by a quick search in Google. What's worse is that he was telling all the student that what I said was bogus. He's pretty much using his influence as a teacher to try and make students believe his point of view. He's already gotten in trouble before with the adminastration over personal politics, and I could possibly get him fired for this if I reported it. :lol:

[perdidochas]

Otacon wrote: I wouldn't try and trip him or anything because he'd fail me then. :lol: Seriously, the guy's arguement is a joke. Everything he said can easily be refuted by a quick search in Google. What's worse is that he was telling all the student that what I said was bogus. He's pretty much using his influence as a teacher to try and make students believe his point of view. He's already gotten in trouble before with the adminastration over personal politics, and I could possibly get him fired for this if I reported it. :lol:

I wonder how long the unemployment line is this time of year.......

[evil muppet]

In many places it is impossible to fire teachers. They are protected by corrupt unions and bogus laws. Unless he touched you. Did he touch you?

[britboy]

evil muppet wrote: In many places it is impossible to fire teachers. They are protected by corrupt unions and bogus laws. Unless he touched you. Did he touch you?

On behalf of evil_muppet I would like to add the following to his post ...


:wink:

[perdidochas]

evil muppet wrote: In many places it is impossible to fire teachers. They are protected by corrupt unions and bogus laws. Unless he touched you. Did he touch you?

It is very possible to fire teachers for reasons other than crime. It requires a principal that does his/her job, and documents negligence or incompetency or unethical behavior (which this is an example of). Also, in the case of a first through third year teacher, they can be fired for any or no reason at the end of the year.

[evil muppet]

depends on where you are at. Some schools it is easier, in some places it is virtually impossible. Especially the larger school districts. New York City school district is a classic example. If a teacher is completely incompetent they are just shuffled somewhere else.

It should be much much easier to get a teacher fired. There are just too many incompeteent ones.

[perdidochas]

evil muppet wrote: depends on where you are at. Some schools it is easier, in some places it is virtually impossible. Especially the larger school districts. New York City school district is a classic example. If a teacher is completely incompetent they are just shuffled somewhere else.

It should be much much easier to get a teacher fired. There are just too many incompeteent ones.

In the current job market, we can't get rid of the incompetents. My wife is a principal trainee. She has sat in on many interviews. At least in our district, the number of qualified applicants is small. Her system can't replace all retiring/leaving teachers with semi-qualified ones, much less fully qualified teachers. If they got rid of incompetents, the problem would be that much worse. What we need to do instead, is make teaching a more attractive job. There is no way to weed out incompetence, if you don't have enough teachers in the unemployment pool.

[The Comrade]

perdidochas wrote: The Comrade wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: airo wrote:

Do you think i should be sued by PETA if i say "I'm so hungry i could eat a horse"?

If you compare eating a horse to a violent assault to a teacher Airo, you are in need of some help.

Why sitting on the fence, here you have the opportunity to really tell us how violent society should be and yet you refuse to take side.
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i made a joke.


stop taking it further then that.

Then, because of the nature of internet forums, you should have made it certain that it was viewed as a joke. Sarcasm is hard to achieve without facial expresssions, IMHO. A smiley would have made it evident that it was a joke, not a serious expression of your sentiments. Lucky Luke misinterpreted you as being serious (as did I), and commented on that.

then you think very lowely of me for assuming i was telling otacon to trip his teacher or beat him up.

[The Comrade]

Otacon wrote: I wouldn't try and trip him or anything because he'd fail me then. :lol: Seriously, the guy's arguement is a joke. Everything he said can easily be refuted by a quick search in Google. What's worse is that he was telling all the student that what I said was bogus. He's pretty much using his influence as a teacher to try and make students believe his point of view. He's already gotten in trouble before with the adminastration over personal politics, and I could possibly get him fired for this if I reported it. :lol:

ZOMG DON'T BRING A GUN TO SCHOOL!!!!!


SERIOUSLY IT'S NOT WORTH IT!!!!

i just had to tell you that so you DON'T kill your teacher now. because you were obviously going to before.

[Lucky Luke]

The Comrade wrote: Otacon wrote: I wouldn't try and trip him or anything because he'd fail me then. :lol: Seriously, the guy's arguement is a joke. Everything he said can easily be refuted by a quick search in Google. What's worse is that he was telling all the student that what I said was bogus. He's pretty much using his influence as a teacher to try and make students believe his point of view. He's already gotten in trouble before with the adminastration over personal politics, and I could possibly get him fired for this if I reported it. :lol:

ZOMG DON'T BRING A GUN TO SCHOOL!!!!!


SERIOUSLY IT'S NOT WORTH IT!!!!

i just had to tell you that so you DON'T kill your teacher now. because you were obviously going to before.

It is not worth it!?!?!

Surely you could do better than that.

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[lilwolf]

It's a frigging joke LL. Can you not get that?

Amazing......... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: