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Destroyer · Joined: 11 Nov 2006 Posts: 5 Location: Arklay Mountains

No it is not. If anything it should be worse!

Norwegian punishment is amusing though. 8 years for killing someone?

British boy · Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 325 Location: London

If they don't reoffend, and are remorseful of their crime then why not? I dont think people realise how long 8 years is.

VMAN · Joined: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 75 Location: Fort Campbell Ky

I think that this is a far reaching problem stemming from several things. First I believe crime starts with our kids we don't teach them respect for our rules so how can they learn respect from society's Confucsious said that one pretending to show love and respect for others while not showing it for our parents was a great perversity. But, since there will always be bad parents I feel the need to mention that I hail from South Carolina one of the two states in the union that loves the death penalty and is proud of it in fact I think the needle should be reverted back to the chair. I believe in giving the convicted a little party before judgement. TWITCH,TWITCH TWI...

VMAN · Joined: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 75 Location: Fort Campbell Ky

I think that this is a far reaching problem stemming from several things. First I believe crime starts with our kids we don't teach them respect for our rules so how can they learn respect for society's Confucious said that one pretending to show love and respect for others while not showing it for our parents was a great perversity. But, since there will always be bad parents I feel the need to mention that I hail from South Carolina one of the two states in the union that loves the death penalty and is proud of it in fact I think the needle should be reverted back to the chair. I believe in giving the convicted a little party before judgement. TWITCH,TWITCH TWI...

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

VMAN wrote: I think that this is a far reaching problem stemming from several things. First I believe crime starts with our kids we don't teach them respect for our rules so how can they learn respect for society's Confucious said that one pretending to show love and respect for others while not showing it for our parents was a great perversity. But, since there will always be bad parents I feel the need to mention that I hail from South Carolina one of the two states in the union that loves the death penalty and is proud of it in fact I think the needle should be reverted back to the chair. I believe in giving the convicted a little party before judgement. TWITCH,TWITCH TWI...

The chair?

The chair was horrible...

I say hanging, or firing squad for military personnel.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

British boy wrote: If they don't reoffend, and are remorseful of their crime then why not? I dont think people realise how long 8 years is.

"I'm sorry, judge."

"Oh... it's ok. You're free to go."

What's wrong with the above scenario?

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

zentrait wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: For possessing/consuming drugs. The fact that they are addicts to those substances is merely a side effect with no relevance to the law.

Ok..then... once again, logically, that's like saying there is a front without a back, there is up but no down... cause and effect are related, obviously you can't have a drug related incarcerated 'criminal' without having a drug addict, and only the flimsy whim of law degrees them as criminals other wise they would be functional individuals in society.

The law doesn't care about the cause, nor should it.

The fact is that the individual in question has drugs on their person, or was caught and convicted of consuming them. Those two break the law, and that is all that's relevant.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

sully111 wrote: America does not distance itself from the idea of a theocracy often G.W.Bush announces his christian beliefs, and you can honestly say his own personall beliefs do not effect his descions made in the presedncy?
the prison system seems to have lots of christian values init and it would be igronent to denie this observation.

What the hell are you talking about?

We've had a prison system way before President Bush came to power.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

norulers wrote: Here is an actual letter that cries out to for humanity and was smuggled out of prison, making its way to the net. www.prisonersreform.org/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=68&Itemid=59

For obvious reasons the name is "unknown". The date written is 6/2/06.

I am an inmate writing from the hole at Pelican Bay State Prison. I have been in the hole for one hundred and twelve days. I don’t know when they are going to let me go.

Since I have been here, I have seen so many abuses of authority. I have a few years left but I’m always afraid that I won’t make it to home. I found out about your web site through my friend, she thought maybe if people knew what was going on in here, they would want to help.

I have nothing in here but a Bible, which I have read like ten times. I find that I am more and more beginning to talk to myself. How many days does it take of solitary to drive a person insane ???

The police come by and verbally abuse me all the time. I don’t even know if this letter will make it home. I hope it does. I am writing at the risk that I could face retaliation from the prison guards.

All of us in here have witnessed the abuse that they have used on some prisoners. I can hear them screaming sometimes. I scream, too. How many hours can one face alone, and still hold on to hope ???

norulers wrote: Check out this prisoner's poem. Is this person being rehabilitated or even receiving "Justice"? Can't society evolve beyond the state of barbarity. I believe we can.

ATTITUDE

By Robert R. Reldan

WALLS OF STONE, HEARTS OF STEEL -
A DRINK OF VITRIOL WITH EVERY MEAL
TEARS OF ACID, WORDS OF ICE -
PLENTY OF COCKROACHES, LOTS OF MICE
FACES OF CLAY, VOICES OF DOOM -
THE STINK OF DECAY IN EVERY ROOM
THIS IS MY HOME, THIS IS MY SPACE -
IS IT ANY WONDER THERE'S HATE IN MY FACE?

Cry me a river.

VMAN · Joined: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 75 Location: Fort Campbell Ky

The Chair horrible? you mean like molesting and murdering little girls. Or taking innocent people off the street and killing and eating them. The measure of how well a society functions is how effectively it protects its citizens and enforces its laws. Our society is becoming increasingly inefficient at that and needs to back up before it is too late. P.S. I was always a big fan of hanging.

British boy · Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 325 Location: London

VMAN wrote: The Chair horrible? you mean like molesting and murdering little girls. Or taking innocent people off the street and killing and eating them. The measure of how well a society functions is how effectively it protects its citizens and enforces its laws. Our society is becoming increasingly inefficient at that and needs to back up before it is too late. P.S. I was always a big fan of hanging.
The measure of soceity is how well it treats its prisoners. How can you claim moral high ground over murderers, when given the oppurtunity you would commit the same crime?

British boy · Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 325 Location: London

LostSoul3412 wrote: VMAN wrote: I think that this is a far reaching problem stemming from several things. First I believe crime starts with our kids we don't teach them respect for our rules so how can they learn respect for society's Confucious said that one pretending to show love and respect for others while not showing it for our parents was a great perversity. But, since there will always be bad parents I feel the need to mention that I hail from South Carolina one of the two states in the union that loves the death penalty and is proud of it in fact I think the needle should be reverted back to the chair. I believe in giving the convicted a little party before judgement. TWITCH,TWITCH TWI...

The chair?

The chair was horrible...

I say hanging, or firing squad for military personnel.
Hanging is just as horrible...
Imagine hoping that as you fall your neck will snap so you dont face perverse minutes of choking to death. I think if you are to use capital punishment then it should be a bullet to the back of the head. Its more humane and quicker (though Im unbelievably against the death penalty).

VMAN · Joined: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 75 Location: Fort Campbell Ky

The measure of a society is not how it treats those who would seek to destroy it, because that's what criminals are. Look, I wouldn't say that given the same opportunity I would commit matter but I will concede that their are abundant situations in which I theoretically would kill someone. Punishment is not about the capability to kill or to turn to evil the "beast" as I shall henceforth call it. We all contain the beast ask any anthropologist he will tell you humans were designed as predators. If humans were herbivores exclusively then we wouldn't need laws or society but we aren't and we do. That's what society is for, to keep the beast at bay. Society is created to keep the strong from attacking the weak and the opportunist from taking advantage of the unsuspecting the mark of a democracy is how it treats its weak and persons in the minorities. Majority rule Minority rights. Plus there is no humanity among murderers anymore than there is honor among thieves therefore hanging is acceptable.