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[Rankor and Pissing]

AP Newswire

BAGHDAD, Iraq You hear a lot about "suicide bombers" in Iraq. But there's new information that at least some of those people are not trying to kill themselves at all.

They're actually murder victims.

According to the Iraqi defense ministry, insurgents have come up with a new tactic. They've taken to kidnapping drivers. And while the victim is held in one place, his car is secretly packed full of explosives. When the driver is released, the kidnappers frighten him into taking a certain route.

When the car passes a target, a terrorist in another car detonates the bomb by remote control.

U-S officials have said the militants often bind a suicide bomber's foot to the gas pedal, or his hands to the wheel, to keep him from backing out. But this is the first indication that some of those so-called "bombers" are, themselves, victims.
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So my take here is the bombers are sick of killing themselves for their political purposes. The motivation to gain access to heaven and some 72 virgins may be loosing it's lustre(?) Now, it's much better to kidnap, tie and force people to drive a car bomb to a location where the bomb is detonated remotely. I'm frankly, very suprised martyrdom is starting to loose hold - or are they simply running out of people willing to kill themselves perhaps?

[lilwolf]

They are whatthey are "cold blooded killers...muderers. That is it murderers.

My son is in Iraq and he told me that they and other untis have came across the aftermath of a car or truck bomb and have found pieces and parts that showed the drivers as having their hands handcuffed to the steerring wheels.

They are simply murderers ...

[DSwain]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: AP Newswire

BAGHDAD, Iraq You hear a lot about "suicide bombers" in Iraq. But there's new information that at least some of those people are not trying to kill themselves at all.

They're actually murder victims.

According to the Iraqi defense ministry, insurgents have come up with a new tactic. They've taken to kidnapping drivers. And while the victim is held in one place, his car is secretly packed full of explosives. When the driver is released, the kidnappers frighten him into taking a certain route.

When the car passes a target, a terrorist in another car detonates the bomb by remote control.

U-S officials have said the militants often bind a suicide bomber's foot to the gas pedal, or his hands to the wheel, to keep him from backing out. But this is the first indication that some of those so-called "bombers" are, themselves, victims.
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So my take here is the bombers are sick of killing themselves for their political purposes. The motivation to gain access to heaven and some 72 virgins may be loosing it's lustre(?) Now, it's much better to kidnap, tie and force people to drive a car bomb to a location where the bomb is detonated remotely. I'm frankly, very suprised martyrdom is starting to loose hold - or are they simply running out of people willing to kill themselves perhaps?

This is a 'proper' terrorist technique as most 'proper' terrorists want to fight another day, carry on the battle etc. Could be a combination of things - war weariness (they can suffer it as much as we can), shortage of recruits or just a change in tactics brought on by experience. But yeah, looks like Allah just isn't putting backsides on seats like he used to.....

[therosename]

Does that make the fatalities of euthanisation casualties of murder as opposed to assisted chemical suicide?

[lilwolf]

therosename wrote: Does that make the fatalities of euthanisation casualties of murder as opposed to assisted chemical suicide?


What the hell does that have to do with suicide bombers (aka murderers)?

These people are being tied in to the vehicles and they are clearly the victims of murderers.

[therosename]

I apologise, I read it wrong.

I must be getting theories mixed up.

It is near three in the morning, here.

[Cal-Pak]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: So my take here is the bombers are sick of killing themselves for their political purposes. The motivation to gain access to heaven and some 72 virgins may be loosing it's lustre(?) Now, it's much better to kidnap, tie and force people to drive a car bomb to a location where the bomb is detonated remotely. I'm frankly, very prized martyrdom is starting to loose hold - or are they simply running out of people willing to kill themselves perhaps?
What you are stating here is partially correct. I realized this awhile ago.
And people who know what they are talking about have been stating this for a long time.

Iraq is not being over run by jihadist suicide bombers. It never was.
Yes there are terrorist there, and suicide bombers are killing people.
But this has always been a relatively small percentage of the bombings.
And this is not me, this is ex-generals, and people who have been there stating this.

The suicide bombers have always come into Iraq from outside countries.
The Insurgents never used suicide bombers. They used roadside bombs, or car bombs.
But this is just something that the average person will not pick-up on.
Because that would mean there is a difference between who we say we are fighting in Iraq.
And who we actually are fighting there.

[lilwolf]

therosename wrote: I apologise, I read it wrong.

I must be getting theories mixed up.

It is near three in the morning, here.


Well kill the coffee pot, get some rest and come back fresh. Don't spend so much time on the alternate theories area..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Tepic]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: running out of people willing to kill themselves perhaps?
I suppose it isn't really the kind of trait that natural selection favours... :?

But if that's true, and there are fewer insurgents than thought, what they really need is a good police force to catch the perps. Then maybe people will stop dying and the west can stop mutter mutter...

[ubikk]

lilwolf wrote: They are whatthey are "cold blooded killers...muderers. That is it murderers.

My son is in Iraq and he told me that they and other untis have came across the aftermath of a car or truck bomb and have found pieces and parts that showed the drivers as having their hands handcuffed to the steerring wheels.

They are simply murderers ...

And what really pisses people off is that they can't kill the suicide bombers or get any revenge. They're already dead. When a person willingly gives up the will to survive, they become what is probably he most frustrating and effective weapon in the history of the human race. Remember the Kamikazis? They were as effective as guided cruise missiles are now, only no one else had any guided missiles back then. Then there were the suicide guerillas in Vietnam.

The all powerful Western military powers still have no effective weapon against this. We can invade and subdue a whole country in a matter of weeks, but years later we're still avoiding car bombs, suiciders and IEDS.