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The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

lilwolf wrote: You ought to run for pres on that one. You would win because there are millions that are fed up with not getting this house in order before we help others. I'd vote for ya :lol:

2008 is coming up fast.i better start campaining :lol:

98MustGT · Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 380 Location: Occupied San Diego

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what you and people like you(Mao,Pol pot, Lenin and Stalin) dont get is that $ is not a zero sum game. wealth in the right hand creates more wealth, not just for the first person but for others that person does business with. Even wealth that is in the bank is used by others. almost every time that $ changes hands the gov shaves a little off. Billions have been waisted sending it to impoverished countries only to disappear into the pockets of some of the worlds worst despots, who ironically are often to blame for the poverty in the first place. Another irony is that some of the worst man made poverty is caused by your fellow travelers, trying to create an egalitarian society.

Wow - could not have said it better myself.

johnshotme · Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Posts: 783 Location: Leesburg, Florida

Ssushi wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5369460.stm

Quote: For the first time, the richest 400 tycoons in the US all have a personal wealth of at least $1bn (£526m), Forbes magazine has reported.

Forbes estimates that Mr Adelson has been earning about $1m an hour for the past two years.

I suspect strongly that this would be one of the reasons which drive such hatred of the US and West in general. The divide between these people (and others from other countries) is so staggering, it's hard to comprehend.

Just to summarise: 400 people, with at least a billion USD each is 400 billion USD. Jesus christ how could help the worlds poor?

Then add the rest of the worlds richest to the list and I think we have an end to the worlds problems...

Lets not forget all the money wasted all over the world in billions by goverments that could feed the poor, or the rich in other parts of the world.

lovebush · Joined: 02 Aug 2006 Posts: 1147

The Comrade wrote: [

yes but you don't see people outraged over the poor and/or starving of america. obviously it's not on a scale of africa but before we start shipping over millions of dollars in aid(that gets into the wrong hands usually) we should try and fix our own country.

If you would like some insight into the poor in America, read this report, it has many interesting facts such as the #1 food related problem of Americas poor is obesity, not malnutrition, interesting the % that own their own home, cars and have air conditioning! Americas poor have more living space than the European middle class. America is a great country. the media gets ratings by finding some extreme situation and making it look as bad as they can. it is true that in America the rich are getting richer, but as you will see if you read this, that is the only true part of that cliche'.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm

lovebush · Joined: 02 Aug 2006 Posts: 1147

johnshotme wrote: Ssushi wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5369460.stm

Quote: For the first time, the richest 400 tycoons in the US all have a personal wealth of at least $1bn (£526m), Forbes magazine has reported.

Forbes estimates that Mr Adelson has been earning about $1m an hour for the past two years.

I suspect strongly that this would be one of the reasons which drive such hatred of the US and West in general. The divide between these people (and others from other countries) is so staggering, it's hard to comprehend.

Just to summarise: 400 people, with at least a billion USD each is 400 billion USD. Jesus christ how could help the worlds poor?

Then add the rest of the worlds richest to the list and I think we have an end to the worlds problems...

Lets not forget all the money wasted all over the world in billions by goverments that could feed the poor, or the rich in other parts of the world.

rather than making assumptions that fit your preconceived egalitarianism, why dont you take the word of those who hate us. Is there class envy? yes it is stoked by people like you. but the people who fly planes into buildings, dont do it out of jealousy or anger that we are not feeding the worlds poor.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

lovebush wrote: The Comrade wrote: [

yes but you don't see people outraged over the poor and/or starving of america. obviously it's not on a scale of africa but before we start shipping over millions of dollars in aid(that gets into the wrong hands usually) we should try and fix our own country.

If you would like some insight into the poor in America, read this report, it has many interesting facts such as the #1 food related problem of Americas poor is obesity, not malnutrition, interesting the % that own their own home, cars and have air conditioning! Americas poor have more living space than the European middle class. America is a great country. the media gets ratings by finding some extreme situation and making it look as bad as they can. it is true that in America the rich are getting richer, but as you will see if you read this, that is the only true part of that cliche'.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm

and if you had read any of my other posts you would have noticed where i said "obviously things aren't as bad in america as other parts of the world".

lovebush · Joined: 02 Aug 2006 Posts: 1147

The Comrade wrote: lovebush wrote: The Comrade wrote: [

yes but you don't see people outraged over the poor and/or starving of america. obviously it's not on a scale of africa but before we start shipping over millions of dollars in aid(that gets into the wrong hands usually) we should try and fix our own country.

If you would like some insight into the poor in America, read this report, it has many interesting facts such as the #1 food related problem of Americas poor is obesity, not malnutrition, interesting the % that own their own home, cars and have air conditioning! Americas poor have more living space than the European middle class. America is a great country. the media gets ratings by finding some extreme situation and making it look as bad as they can. it is true that in America the rich are getting richer, but as you will see if you read this, that is the only true part of that cliche'.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm

and if you had read any of my other posts you would have noticed where i said "obviously things aren't as bad in america as other parts of the world".

Im sorry if my post came across as critical of something you said I didnt mean it that way. I was pleasantly surprised by the stats in that article and thought you might enjoy it also.

Anarko-Kapitalizt · Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 2517

Its their money they can do whatever the hell they want with it. Some people including myself don't give a damn that people all over the world are starving.

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 14151 Location: idaho

Anarko-Kapitalizt wrote: Its their money they can do whatever the hell they want with it. Some people including myself don't give a damn that people all over the world are starving.

I almost have to agree fully with you. Why should we care when if we do not help we are bad guys and if we do they still hate us. I guess I care about as much as the sound a grasshopper makes when it breaks wind, and that is very little.
Why should any money be given to any of them, before we get this house in order. If this one falls they all fall.