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[Ssushi]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5369460.stm

Quote: For the first time, the richest 400 tycoons in the US all have a personal wealth of at least $1bn (£526m), Forbes magazine has reported.

Forbes estimates that Mr Adelson has been earning about $1m an hour for the past two years.



I suspect strongly that this would be one of the reasons which drive such hatred of the US and West in general. The divide between these people (and others from other countries) is so staggering, it's hard to comprehend.



Just to summarise: 400 people, with at least a billion USD each is 400 billion USD. Jesus christ how could help the worlds poor?

Then add the rest of the worlds richest to the list and I think we have an end to the worlds problems...

[Ssushi]

To clarify further:

http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/

Quote: This year the list is a record 793. They’re worth a combined $2.6 trillion, up 18% since last March.

793 people own $2.6 trillion

[Alizard]

Ssushi wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5369460.stm

Quote: For the first time, the richest 400 tycoons in the US all have a personal wealth of at least $1bn (£526m), Forbes magazine has reported.

Forbes estimates that Mr Adelson has been earning about $1m an hour for the past two years.



I suspect strongly that this would be one of the reasons which drive such hatred of the US and West in general. I think it's more about how they got the money.

I wonder how many of them are plugged into Big Oil in their major portfolio holdings.

[Ssushi]

Alizard wrote: Ssushi wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5369460.stm

Quote: For the first time, the richest 400 tycoons in the US all have a personal wealth of at least $1bn (£526m), Forbes magazine has reported.

Forbes estimates that Mr Adelson has been earning about $1m an hour for the past two years.



I suspect strongly that this would be one of the reasons which drive such hatred of the US and West in general. I think it's more about how they got the money.

I wonder how many of them are plugged into Big Oil in their major portfolio holdings.

I know. Frankly I find it sick but there you go. No one needs that much money, no one. If American's really looked hard for reasons for the Radical Islamists hating them, they should not bother with ''they hate our freedoms''. A clear smoke screen by the people who own so much and so needlessly. These 800 people could end the troubles in the world very quickly and easily by helping the rest of the world get a head start... Shame on them.

[lilwolf]

There is always going to be anger and all that for people that have money. The thing I have seen is the argument of why will they not give it to you. When the person that has the money says his or her reason then the person wanting it gets pissed off.

My argument is why does the person that has made the money in what ever way have to give up what is theirs?

[lovebush]

Ssushi wrote: Alizard wrote: Ssushi wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5369460.stm

Quote: For the first time, the richest 400 tycoons in the US all have a personal wealth of at least $1bn (£526m), Forbes magazine has reported.

Forbes estimates that Mr Adelson has been earning about $1m an hour for the past two years.



I suspect strongly that this would be one of the reasons which drive such hatred of the US and West in general. I think it's more about how they got the money.

So you would have got along well with Polpot, Mao, lennin and Stalin.

I wonder how many of them are plugged into Big Oil in their major portfolio holdings.

I know. Frankly I find it sick but there you go. No one needs that much money, no one. If American's really looked hard for reasons for the Radical Islamists hating them, they should not bother with ''they hate our freedoms''. A clear smoke screen by the people who own so much and so needlessly. These 800 people could end the troubles in the world very quickly and easily by helping the rest of the world get a head start... Shame on them.

[lilwolf]

Ssushi wrote: Alizard wrote: Ssushi wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5369460.stm

Quote: For the first time, the richest 400 tycoons in the US all have a personal wealth of at least $1bn (£526m), Forbes magazine has reported.

Forbes estimates that Mr Adelson has been earning about $1m an hour for the past two years.



I suspect strongly that this would be one of the reasons which drive such hatred of the US and West in general. I think it's more about how they got the money.

I wonder how many of them are plugged into Big Oil in their major portfolio holdings.

I know. Frankly I find it sick but there you go. No one needs that much money, no one. If American's really looked hard for reasons for the Radical Islamists hating them, they should not bother with ''they hate our freedoms''. A clear smoke screen by the people who own so much and so needlessly. These 800 people could end the troubles in the world very quickly and easily by helping the rest of the world get a head start... Shame on them.


And why should they not have that kind of money? They earned it and it is theirs. We can't start telling these people that they can only make so much money. One of the reasons they dislike us is that we do have the freedomm to make money in any legal manner and there is no laws about it. To people that have never had (me included) and then to suddenly see someone that has does piss people off. Try having a couple of mill. It is not all it's cracked up to be. The first people to hate you are your own family and then it gets real frigging ugly. But it is not what these people do. that is what the world has the joke palace called the UN for.
Those 800 people have their money and they would never have to give it up, why should they. They are doing their own thing and greed is a powerful and ugly thing. They don't want to so they don't.

Money and having it is a good thing but if not careful you can get in a lot of trouble and get hurt by those you care about the most. It is not always fun having money.

[Thomas]

The Extremists in the Middle East don't hate America and the West because of American money. Some of the richest people in the world are living in the oil-producing countries in the M.E. Why are you not suggesting that they take responsability/accountability for their own people? Maybe instead of funding terrorists groups they could help their own people.

BTW-do you have any idea how much money Gates and Buffett have given to help people and various charities?

[The Comrade]

they've made money. they've done it through hardwork.


i fail to see how they shouldn't be allowed to have that money and do with it as they wish.

[Angelicus]

I notice the first thing the BAF crowd starts talking about is "how that money could help the worlds poor".

Yet in other threads, the BAF are also turning around and saying that America always "meddles" in other nations "business" and is wrong because it uses its foriegn aid to do so.

Given that thiis their stance in other threads, why should America or Americans, use one red cent of that money to "help the poor" in other countries?

After all if it were used to help the poor in other countries, America would only get blamed for "meddling" and be accused of "spreading" its vile democracy by the BAF crowd in return for that aid.

No I think those hard working Americans that worked hard too make that money in the first place, should do as these BAF people have previously in other threads said, not meddle in other peoples business, mind their own business, and keep it.

[lovebush]

Ssushi wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5369460.stm

Quote: For the first time, the richest 400 tycoons in the US all have a personal wealth of at least $1bn (£526m), Forbes magazine has reported.

Forbes estimates that Mr Adelson has been earning about $1m an hour for the past two years.



I suspect strongly that this would be one of the reasons which drive such hatred of the US and West in general. The divide between these people (and others from other countries) is so staggering, it's hard to comprehend.



Just to summarise: 400 people, with at least a billion USD each is 400 billion USD. Jesus christ how could help the worlds poor?

Then add the rest of the worlds richest to the list and I think we have an end to the worlds problems...


what you and people like you(Mao,Pol pot, Lenin and Stalin) dont get is that $ is not a zero sum game. wealth in the right hand creates more wealth, not just for the first person but for others that person does business with. Even wealth that is in the bank is used by others. almost every time that $ changes hands the gov shaves a little off. Billions have been waisted sending it to impoverished countries only to disappear into the pockets of some of the worlds worst despots, who ironically are often to blame for the poverty in the first place. Another irony is that some of the worst man made poverty is caused by your fellow travelers, trying to create an egalitarian society.

[The Comrade]

Angelicus wrote: I notice the first thing the BAF crowd starts talking about is "how that money could help the worlds poor".

Yet in other threads, the BAF are also turning around and saying that America always "meddles" in other nations "business" and is wrong because it uses its foriegn aid to do so.

Given that thiis their stance in other threads, why should America or Americans, use one red cent of that money to "help the poor" in other countries?

After all if it were used to help the poor in other countries, America would only get blamed for "meddling" and be accused of "spreading" its vile democracy by the BAF crowd in return for that aid.

No I think those hard working Americans that worked hard too make that money in the first place, should do as these BAF people have previously in other threads said, not meddle in other peoples business, mind their own business, and keep it.

to add to this, why is it that everyone is a humanitarian until it comes to their own country?

is everyone misantropic towards their fellow citizens?

[lilwolf]

Look at it this way the US govt. sends billions to some of these nations and only pennies gets into the hands of the people that need it. The mass majority goes right into these little frigging dictators and warlords pockets. So if these nations want money go to the UN. The US is by far one of the most charitable and giving nations on this palnet.

But the second we say no then we are a piece of crap.

The folks that have a great deal of money have worked hard and there is no jusification as to why we should give our money to thieves and warlords. So, basically they are all saying the same thing. Stick it.

An astute businessman will not keep giving money to warlords in some damp dark crap hole of a nation when it goes into a pit never to be seen.
There is no logic in that at all.

For the most part the american people are fed up with giving. Talk the flippin ME oil clowns and see how far you get. They are going to say the same thing..... Hell no. Not good business

[Angelicus]

The U.S. is going too be damned if it does, and damned if it doesn't, so it might as well not. We shouldn't send any aid to anyone unless they are a PROVEN ally. Instead the U.S. should take and use those resources for the betterment and enrichment of our own society and people.

[Angelicus]

lilwolf wrote:

For the most part the american people are fed up with giving. Talk the flippin ME oil clowns and see how far you get. They are going to say the same thing..... Hell no. Not good business

Of course thats if they don't cut your head off first. The Holy Quran tells muslims that charity is only for other muslims first and foremost.

[lovebush]

The Comrade wrote: Angelicus wrote: I notice the first thing the BAF crowd starts talking about is "how that money could help the worlds poor".

Yet in other threads, the BAF are also turning around and saying that America always "meddles" in other nations "business" and is wrong because it uses its foriegn aid to do so.

Given that thiis their stance in other threads, why should America or Americans, use one red cent of that money to "help the poor" in other countries?

After all if it were used to help the poor in other countries, America would only get blamed for "meddling" and be accused of "spreading" its vile democracy by the BAF crowd in return for that aid.

No I think those hard working Americans that worked hard too make that money in the first place, should do as these BAF people have previously in other threads said, not meddle in other peoples business, mind their own business, and keep it.

to add to this, why is it that everyone is a humanitarian until it comes to their own country?

is everyone misantropic towards their fellow citizens?

I cant speak for other countries but in America, the poor have it pretty good when it comes to philanthropic programs to help them. but most get enough from the social programs provided by the state.

[The Comrade]

lovebush wrote: The Comrade wrote: Angelicus wrote: I notice the first thing the BAF crowd starts talking about is "how that money could help the worlds poor".

Yet in other threads, the BAF are also turning around and saying that America always "meddles" in other nations "business" and is wrong because it uses its foriegn aid to do so.

Given that thiis their stance in other threads, why should America or Americans, use one red cent of that money to "help the poor" in other countries?

After all if it were used to help the poor in other countries, America would only get blamed for "meddling" and be accused of "spreading" its vile democracy by the BAF crowd in return for that aid.

No I think those hard working Americans that worked hard too make that money in the first place, should do as these BAF people have previously in other threads said, not meddle in other peoples business, mind their own business, and keep it.

to add to this, why is it that everyone is a humanitarian until it comes to their own country?

is everyone misantropic towards their fellow citizens?

I cant speak for other countries but in America, the poor have it pretty good when it comes to philanthropic programs to help them. but most get enough from the social programs provided by the state.

yes but you don't see people outraged over the poor and/or starving of america. obviously it's not on a scale of africa but before we start shipping over millions of dollars in aid(that gets into the wrong hands usually) we should try and fix our own country.

[fiction416]

It's all population control... Aids, hunger, etc... it's all natural - the planet cannot support this many people


mos dos centos

[lilwolf]

The Comrade wrote: lovebush wrote: The Comrade wrote: Angelicus wrote: I notice the first thing the BAF crowd starts talking about is "how that money could help the worlds poor".

Yet in other threads, the BAF are also turning around and saying that America always "meddles" in other nations "business" and is wrong because it uses its foriegn aid to do so.

Given that thiis their stance in other threads, why should America or Americans, use one red cent of that money to "help the poor" in other countries?

After all if it were used to help the poor in other countries, America would only get blamed for "meddling" and be accused of "spreading" its vile democracy by the BAF crowd in return for that aid.

No I think those hard working Americans that worked hard too make that money in the first place, should do as these BAF people have previously in other threads said, not meddle in other peoples business, mind their own business, and keep it.

to add to this, why is it that everyone is a humanitarian until it comes to their own country?

is everyone misantropic towards their fellow citizens?

I cant speak for other countries but in America, the poor have it pretty good when it comes to philanthropic programs to help them. but most get enough from the social programs provided by the state.

yes but you don't see people outraged over the poor and/or starving of america. obviously it's not on a scale of africa but before we start shipping over millions of dollars in aid(that gets into the wrong hands usually) we should try and fix our own country.

You ought to run for pres on that one. You would win because there are millions that are fed up with not getting this house in order before we help others. I'd vote for ya :lol:

[The Comrade]

fiction416 wrote: It's all population control... Aids, hunger, etc... it's all natural - the planet cannot support this many people


mos dos centos

actually it can. there is room for two billion more people.


the only problem is, humans are being erratic with their actions and aren't growing enough food to sustain the population we have.