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Ssushi · Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 6380

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5371044.stm

So the EU is now finding more cases of human abuse issues. I can't help but think that if Turkey doesn't meet the rules for EU acceptance that it will somehow be seen as another Western issue with the East and Islam.

I wish the EU Leadership had though way more about Turkey's application a long time ago, before they'd allowed Turkey to start the process in the first place.

mendosan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 2580

I know what your saying, I also think we may be rushing on the Romania and Bulgaria applications, I think were being pushed quite hard by the US to let Turkey join so it be the token Muslim country in the EU, despite the fact that in European Identity Turkey has always been on the 'beyond the pale', in a historical sense.

I also think we need a breather from more expansions, and to reform stuff like the CAP and possibly some sort of treaty to get rid of "Ecomonic Nationalism".

DSwain · Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 3552

Good points Ssushi and Mendosan

Turkey really does not belong in the EU yet and it's rather unfair making them jump through all these hoops when, at the end, we're going to say: "Sorry chaps, we were having you on; as you were."

MoscowMatt · Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 1630 Location: UK / Hungary

I think it's ludicrous that one Turkey are even considered for EU membership and two that they are ahead of proper European countries like Croatia for example.

antonio62 · Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:11 am Post subject:

A lot of the human rights abuses are against 'terrorists' so its a bit rich of EU country's to say anything about it.

Pebble · Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 1143

antonio62 wrote: A lot of the human rights abuses are against 'terrorists' so its a bit rich of EU country's to say anything about it.

The buzz word of the age for self justification, 'communism' was getting old. ;)

b.scheller · Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:22 am Post subject:

It's a sad sad day, when the realization of nationalist zealots like Huntington are becoming truth. In his paper that personified his Western ignorance, he wrote that the European Union would find reasons not to allow Turkey into the Union. That it just wasn't a European country, the religion wasn't the same, nor was the culture, so they would try to keep them as far away as possible.

sandrodz · Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 22 Location: Budapest

I've been to Turkey this summer, on the seaside and I didnt see anything that would hint on their religiouse assertions... there were no mosques or prayers, I was amazied to see, those guyz managed to step away from fundamentalism. Very good for them I think - even if they are not allowed into EU, which I doubt btw, it has too much resources, u desires that so much :D

Pebble · Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 1143

sandrodz wrote: I've been to Turkey this summer, on the seaside and I didnt see anything that would hint on their religiouse assertions... there were no mosques or prayers, I was amazied to see, those guyz managed to step away from fundamentalism. Very good for them I think - even if they are not allowed into EU, which I doubt btw, it has too much resources, u desires that so much :D

Wait, are you equating seeing mosques in towns with fundamentalism?

Random Evil Guy · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 1774

sandrodz wrote: I've been to Turkey this summer, on the seaside and I didnt see anything that would hint on their religiouse assertions... there were no mosques or prayers, I was amazied to see, those guyz managed to step away from fundamentalism. Very good for them I think - even if they are not allowed into EU, which I doubt btw, it has too much resources, u desires that so much :D

very simplified turkey consists basically of two different areas; the west and the east. the west is very 'westernized'. it's far richer than the east and a very popular tourist destination for europeans(my parents are there right now). the west, on the other hand, is poorer, more radical in terms of religion, lacks infrastructure etc.

sandrodz · Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 22 Location: Budapest

Pebble wrote: sandrodz wrote: I've been to Turkey this summer, on the seaside and I didnt see anything that would hint on their religiouse assertions... there were no mosques or prayers, I was amazied to see, those guyz managed to step away from fundamentalism. Very good for them I think - even if they are not allowed into EU, which I doubt btw, it has too much resources, u desires that so much :D

Wait, are you equating seeing mosques in towns with fundamentalism?

well, seeing them in the city doesn't automatically mean that country is fundamentalist... but absense does mean that the place is not religouse! Actually praying 4 times per day is fundamental muslum tradition, in IRAN or other fundamentalist countries you can see ppl fall into prayers right in the street.

So yeah, to sum up seeing them means nothing, but not seeing them in a muslim country can give a basic idea how they live.

ANd yes, I agree, part of turkey is really westernized, and the rest is backward...

DSwain · Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 3552

Turkey again demonstrating its unsuitability for EU membership

http://euobserver.com/9/22573/?rk=1

Tantras · Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 87 Location: Istanbul

Random Evil Guy wrote: sandrodz wrote: I've been to Turkey this summer, on the seaside and I didnt see anything that would hint on their religiouse assertions... there were no mosques or prayers, I was amazied to see, those guyz managed to step away from fundamentalism. Very good for them I think - even if they are not allowed into EU, which I doubt btw, it has too much resources, u desires that so much :D

very simplified turkey consists basically of two different areas; the west and the east. the west is very 'westernized'. it's far richer than the east and a very popular tourist destination for europeans(my parents are there right now). the west, on the other hand, is poorer, more radical in terms of religion, lacks infrastructure etc.

Actually if the terrorist group known as PKK will stop bombing the infrastructure of the east, thatplace will be as modern as the west in a small time.Though that would make PKK's claims as "the downtrodden ones" look stupid so they will continue to bomb the s**t out of the east unless the lovely US and Turkish and Iraqian PKK coordinators do something more than drink tea and chat and start to give clear orders to Iraqian government to cut PKK's funds and clear the terrorists' hiding places...

Tantras · Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 87 Location: Istanbul

sandrodz wrote: Pebble wrote: sandrodz wrote: I've been to Turkey this summer, on the seaside and I didnt see anything that would hint on their religiouse assertions... there were no mosques or prayers, I was amazied to see, those guyz managed to step away from fundamentalism. Very good for them I think - even if they are not allowed into EU, which I doubt btw, it has too much resources, u desires that so much :D

Wait, are you equating seeing mosques in towns with fundamentalism?

well, seeing them in the city doesn't automatically mean that country is fundamentalist... but absense does mean that the place is not religouse! Actually praying 4 times per day is fundamental muslum tradition, in IRAN or other fundamentalist countries you can see ppl fall into prayers right in the street.

So yeah, to sum up seeing them means nothing, but not seeing them in a muslim country can give a basic idea how they live.

ANd yes, I agree, part of turkey is really westernized, and the rest is backward...

You can see people falling to prayers in Istanbul too, do not think Turkey is that free of fundamentalism.Though I believe a steady increase in life standards will lessen the fundamentalism.