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[Richard Owl Mirror]

Pakistani clerics, scholars want pope removed
Quote: LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) -- About 1,000 clerics and religious scholars at a meeting in eastern Pakistan demanded the removal of the pope for making "insulting remarks" against Islam, and warned the West of severe consequences if it didn't change its stance regarding Islam.

Pope Benedict XVI "should be removed from his position immediately for encouraging war and fanning hostility between various faiths" and "making insulting remarks" against Islam, said a joint statement issued by the clerics and scholars at the end of their one-day convention in the eastern city of Lahore.

The "Pope, and all Infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad).... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," it said.

~@~

Who do these people think they are ? :gdgf:
My opinion is that these people would act this way regardless of who said what or even if nobody ever said anything.

I'm seriously of the opinion that the west needs to completely extract ourselves from the entire region and never send one dime of aid to those Islamic nations again.
Let them go back to a 4th century existence and the rest of the world can progress without the added burden of financial assistance which inevitably goes down a dark hole anyways.

[beachbum bob]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Pakistani clerics, scholars want pope removed
Quote: LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) -- About 1,000 clerics and religious scholars at a meeting in eastern Pakistan demanded the removal of the pope for making "insulting remarks" against Islam, and warned the West of severe consequences if it didn't change its stance regarding Islam.

Pope Benedict XVI "should be removed from his position immediately for encouraging war and fanning hostility between various faiths" and "making insulting remarks" against Islam, said a joint statement issued by the clerics and scholars at the end of their one-day convention in the eastern city of Lahore.

The "Pope, and all Infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad).... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," it said.

~@~

Who do these people think they are ? :gdgf:
My opinion is that these people would act this way regardless of who said what or even if nobody ever said anything.

I'm seriously of the opinion that the west needs to completely extract ourselves from the entire region and never send one dime of aid to those Islamic nations again.
Let them go back to a 4th century existence and the rest of the world can progress without the added burden of financial assistance which inevitably goes down a dark hole anyways.

nutcases.....pure and simple,

[Dookiestix]

No doubt this sh!t is crazy. But I doubt we're gonna pull out of that region anytime soon as long as we need their oil and as long as Bush and his oil buddies continue to make a fortune.

[el_hombre_de_Dios]

beachbum bob wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Pakistani clerics, scholars want pope removed
Quote: LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) -- About 1,000 clerics and religious scholars at a meeting in eastern Pakistan demanded the removal of the pope for making "insulting remarks" against Islam, and warned the West of severe consequences if it didn't change its stance regarding Islam.

Pope Benedict XVI "should be removed from his position immediately for encouraging war and fanning hostility between various faiths" and "making insulting remarks" against Islam, said a joint statement issued by the clerics and scholars at the end of their one-day convention in the eastern city of Lahore.

The "Pope, and all Infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad).... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," it said.

~@~

Who do these people think they are ? :gdgf:
My opinion is that these people would act this way regardless of who said what or even if nobody ever said anything.

I'm seriously of the opinion that the west needs to completely extract ourselves from the entire region and never send one dime of aid to those Islamic nations again.
Let them go back to a 4th century existence and the rest of the world can progress without the added burden of financial assistance which inevitably goes down a dark hole anyways.

nutcases.....pure and simple,

Maybe their TV reception is poor....so they only heard the ""Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." part and not the
BBC wrote: "Benedict said "I quote" twice to stress the words were not his and added that violence was "incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul".

Or maybe they just have 'selective attention'..like many members of a political party I know... :lol:


:lol:

[Timmytour]

We live in world where the voice of the minority extremists are the loudest. They used to be ignored but in this world of post 9/11, absolute non consequential pap like this gets served up as fodder for those minority extremists on the other side who seek to convert the rest of us to a cause that decrees we need to be worried about them.

[citizen_X]

Massive military operations with extermination squads following behind solves any mohammed problems.

[el_hombre_de_Dios]

Dookiestix wrote: No doubt this sh!t is crazy. But I doubt we're gonna pull out of that region anytime soon as long as we need their oil and as long as Bush and his oil buddies continue to make a fortune.

Note to self: Pakistan big oil producer..yeah right

Oil - production:
63,000 bbl/day (2005 est.)
Oil - consumption:
365,000 bbl/day (2004 est.)

[ThinksYouAreAnIdiot]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Pakistani clerics, scholars want pope removed
Quote: LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) -- About 1,000 clerics and religious scholars at a meeting in eastern Pakistan demanded the removal of the pope for making "insulting remarks" against Islam, and warned the West of severe consequences if it didn't change its stance regarding Islam.

Pope Benedict XVI "should be removed from his position immediately for encouraging war and fanning hostility between various faiths" and "making insulting remarks" against Islam, said a joint statement issued by the clerics and scholars at the end of their one-day convention in the eastern city of Lahore.

The "Pope, and all Infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad).... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," it said.

~@~

Who do these people think they are ? :gdgf:
My opinion is that these people would act this way regardless of who said what or even if nobody ever said anything.

I'm seriously of the opinion that the west needs to completely extract ourselves from the entire region and never send one dime of aid to those Islamic nations again.
Let them go back to a 4th century existence and the rest of the world can progress without the added burden of financial assistance which inevitably goes down a dark hole anyways.


My opinion goes the other way. I think we need to make it a practise in the west, to insult islam, and muhammad as often and as publicly as possible untill Muslims get it through thier jihad addled heads that no one else cares what thier religon forbids or allows. We should be creating magazines devoted specifically to insulting muhammad, making TV specials that portray him as the conquering, murdering, horse thieving, pedophile, that he was, we should be forcing the Muslims to listen to and watch constant insult to thier prophet and religon untill they finally realise that freedom of speech means you will be offended, and keep doing it untill they learn to live with it.

[citizen_X]

ThinksYouAreAnIdiot wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Pakistani clerics, scholars want pope removed
Quote: LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) -- About 1,000 clerics and religious scholars at a meeting in eastern Pakistan demanded the removal of the pope for making "insulting remarks" against Islam, and warned the West of severe consequences if it didn't change its stance regarding Islam.

Pope Benedict XVI "should be removed from his position immediately for encouraging war and fanning hostility between various faiths" and "making insulting remarks" against Islam, said a joint statement issued by the clerics and scholars at the end of their one-day convention in the eastern city of Lahore.

The "Pope, and all Infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad).... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," it said.

~@~

Who do these people think they are ? :gdgf:
My opinion is that these people would act this way regardless of who said what or even if nobody ever said anything.

I'm seriously of the opinion that the west needs to completely extract ourselves from the entire region and never send one dime of aid to those Islamic nations again.
Let them go back to a 4th century existence and the rest of the world can progress without the added burden of financial assistance which inevitably goes down a dark hole anyways.


My opinion goes the other way. I think we need to make it a practise in the west, to insult islam, and muhammad as often and as publicly as possible untill Muslims get it through thier jihad addled heads that no one else cares what thier religon forbids or allows. We should be creating magazines devoted specifically to insulting muhammad, making TV specials that portray him as the conquering, murdering, horse thieving, pedophile, that he was, we should be forcing the Muslims to listen to and watch constant insult to thier prophet and religon untill they finally realise that freedom of speech means you will be offended, and keep doing it untill they learn to live with it.

hahahahahahah, well put.

[mendosan]

citizen_X wrote: ThinksYouAreAnIdiot wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Pakistani clerics, scholars want pope removed
Quote: LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) -- About 1,000 clerics and religious scholars at a meeting in eastern Pakistan demanded the removal of the pope for making "insulting remarks" against Islam, and warned the West of severe consequences if it didn't change its stance regarding Islam.

Pope Benedict XVI "should be removed from his position immediately for encouraging war and fanning hostility between various faiths" and "making insulting remarks" against Islam, said a joint statement issued by the clerics and scholars at the end of their one-day convention in the eastern city of Lahore.

The "Pope, and all Infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad).... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," it said.

~@~

Who do these people think they are ? :gdgf:
My opinion is that these people would act this way regardless of who said what or even if nobody ever said anything.

I'm seriously of the opinion that the west needs to completely extract ourselves from the entire region and never send one dime of aid to those Islamic nations again.
Let them go back to a 4th century existence and the rest of the world can progress without the added burden of financial assistance which inevitably goes down a dark hole anyways.


My opinion goes the other way. I think we need to make it a practise in the west, to insult islam, and muhammad as often and as publicly as possible untill Muslims get it through thier jihad addled heads that no one else cares what thier religon forbids or allows. We should be creating magazines devoted specifically to insulting muhammad, making TV specials that portray him as the conquering, murdering, horse thieving, pedophile, that he was, we should be forcing the Muslims to listen to and watch constant insult to thier prophet and religon untill they finally realise that freedom of speech means you will be offended, and keep doing it untill they learn to live with it.

hahahahahahah, well put.

You got my vote.

[homerjay_s]

mendosan wrote: citizen_X wrote: ThinksYouAreAnIdiot wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Pakistani clerics, scholars want pope removed
Quote: LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) -- About 1,000 clerics and religious scholars at a meeting in eastern Pakistan demanded the removal of the pope for making "insulting remarks" against Islam, and warned the West of severe consequences if it didn't change its stance regarding Islam.

Pope Benedict XVI "should be removed from his position immediately for encouraging war and fanning hostility between various faiths" and "making insulting remarks" against Islam, said a joint statement issued by the clerics and scholars at the end of their one-day convention in the eastern city of Lahore.

The "Pope, and all Infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad).... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," it said.

~@~

Who do these people think they are ? :gdgf:
My opinion is that these people would act this way regardless of who said what or even if nobody ever said anything.

I'm seriously of the opinion that the west needs to completely extract ourselves from the entire region and never send one dime of aid to those Islamic nations again.
Let them go back to a 4th century existence and the rest of the world can progress without the added burden of financial assistance which inevitably goes down a dark hole anyways.


My opinion goes the other way. I think we need to make it a practise in the west, to insult islam, and muhammad as often and as publicly as possible untill Muslims get it through thier jihad addled heads that no one else cares what thier religon forbids or allows. We should be creating magazines devoted specifically to insulting muhammad, making TV specials that portray him as the conquering, murdering, horse thieving, pedophile, that he was, we should be forcing the Muslims to listen to and watch constant insult to thier prophet and religon untill they finally realise that freedom of speech means you will be offended, and keep doing it untill they learn to live with it.

hahahahahahah, well put.

You got my vote.

The Republican plan for peace...brilliant.

[Wooglin]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Pakistani clerics, scholars want pope removed
Quote: LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) -- About 1,000 clerics and religious scholars at a meeting in eastern Pakistan demanded the removal of the pope for making "insulting remarks" against Islam, and warned the West of severe consequences if it didn't change its stance regarding Islam.

Pope Benedict XVI "should be removed from his position immediately for encouraging war and fanning hostility between various faiths" and "making insulting remarks" against Islam, said a joint statement issued by the clerics and scholars at the end of their one-day convention in the eastern city of Lahore.

The "Pope, and all Infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad).... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," it said.

~@~

Who do these people think they are ? :gdgf:
My opinion is that these people would act this way regardless of who said what or even if nobody ever said anything.

I'm seriously of the opinion that the west needs to completely extract ourselves from the entire region and never send one dime of aid to those Islamic nations again.
Let them go back to a 4th century existence and the rest of the world can progress without the added burden of financial assistance which inevitably goes down a dark hole anyways.

I think we need to send them X-boxes or jigsaw puzzles or something. They obviously have WAY too much time on their hands.

[ThinksYouAreAnIdiot]

homerjay_s wrote: mendosan wrote: citizen_X wrote: ThinksYouAreAnIdiot wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Pakistani clerics, scholars want pope removed
Quote: LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) -- About 1,000 clerics and religious scholars at a meeting in eastern Pakistan demanded the removal of the pope for making "insulting remarks" against Islam, and warned the West of severe consequences if it didn't change its stance regarding Islam.

Pope Benedict XVI "should be removed from his position immediately for encouraging war and fanning hostility between various faiths" and "making insulting remarks" against Islam, said a joint statement issued by the clerics and scholars at the end of their one-day convention in the eastern city of Lahore.

The "Pope, and all Infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad).... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," it said.

~@~

Who do these people think they are ? :gdgf:
My opinion is that these people would act this way regardless of who said what or even if nobody ever said anything.

I'm seriously of the opinion that the west needs to completely extract ourselves from the entire region and never send one dime of aid to those Islamic nations again.
Let them go back to a 4th century existence and the rest of the world can progress without the added burden of financial assistance which inevitably goes down a dark hole anyways.


My opinion goes the other way. I think we need to make it a practise in the west, to insult islam, and muhammad as often and as publicly as possible untill Muslims get it through thier jihad addled heads that no one else cares what thier religon forbids or allows. We should be creating magazines devoted specifically to insulting muhammad, making TV specials that portray him as the conquering, murdering, horse thieving, pedophile, that he was, we should be forcing the Muslims to listen to and watch constant insult to thier prophet and religon untill they finally realise that freedom of speech means you will be offended, and keep doing it untill they learn to live with it.

hahahahahahah, well put.

You got my vote.

The Republican plan for peace...brilliant.


There will be no peace unless the muslims are dragged into the 21 st century.

Then again I could be wrong, after all rational discourse is making soooo much headway with them.

[Richard Owl Mirror]

el_hombre_de_Dios wrote: beachbum bob wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Pakistani clerics, scholars want pope removed
Quote: LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) -- About 1,000 clerics and religious scholars at a meeting in eastern Pakistan demanded the removal of the pope for making "insulting remarks" against Islam, and warned the West of severe consequences if it didn't change its stance regarding Islam.

Pope Benedict XVI "should be removed from his position immediately for encouraging war and fanning hostility between various faiths" and "making insulting remarks" against Islam, said a joint statement issued by the clerics and scholars at the end of their one-day convention in the eastern city of Lahore.

The "Pope, and all Infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad).... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," it said.

~@~

Who do these people think they are ? :gdgf:
My opinion is that these people would act this way regardless of who said what or even if nobody ever said anything.

I'm seriously of the opinion that the west needs to completely extract ourselves from the entire region and never send one dime of aid to those Islamic nations again.
Let them go back to a 4th century existence and the rest of the world can progress without the added burden of financial assistance which inevitably goes down a dark hole anyways.

nutcases.....pure and simple,

Maybe their TV reception is poor....so they only heard the ""Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." part and not the
BBC wrote: "Benedict said "I quote" twice to stress the words were not his and added that violence was "incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul".

Or maybe they just have 'selective attention'..like many members of a political party I know... :lol:


:lol:


Quote: Or maybe they just have 'selective attention'..like many members of a political party I know... :lol:

When are you going to decide to leave that party and join one that get's things done for the people?

[Revenant]

mendosan wrote: citizen_X wrote: ThinksYouAreAnIdiot wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Pakistani clerics, scholars want pope removed
Quote: LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) -- About 1,000 clerics and religious scholars at a meeting in eastern Pakistan demanded the removal of the pope for making "insulting remarks" against Islam, and warned the West of severe consequences if it didn't change its stance regarding Islam.

Pope Benedict XVI "should be removed from his position immediately for encouraging war and fanning hostility between various faiths" and "making insulting remarks" against Islam, said a joint statement issued by the clerics and scholars at the end of their one-day convention in the eastern city of Lahore.

The "Pope, and all Infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad).... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," it said.

~@~

Who do these people think they are ? :gdgf:
My opinion is that these people would act this way regardless of who said what or even if nobody ever said anything.

I'm seriously of the opinion that the west needs to completely extract ourselves from the entire region and never send one dime of aid to those Islamic nations again.
Let them go back to a 4th century existence and the rest of the world can progress without the added burden of financial assistance which inevitably goes down a dark hole anyways.


My opinion goes the other way. I think we need to make it a practise in the west, to insult islam, and muhammad as often and as publicly as possible untill Muslims get it through thier jihad addled heads that no one else cares what thier religon forbids or allows. We should be creating magazines devoted specifically to insulting muhammad, making TV specials that portray him as the conquering, murdering, horse thieving, pedophile, that he was, we should be forcing the Muslims to listen to and watch constant insult to thier prophet and religon untill they finally realise that freedom of speech means you will be offended, and keep doing it untill they learn to live with it.

hahahahahahah, well put.

You got my vote.

Mine too.

[Ameriman]

homerjay_s wrote: mendosan wrote: citizen_X wrote: ThinksYouAreAnIdiot wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Pakistani clerics, scholars want pope removed
Quote: LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) -- About 1,000 clerics and religious scholars at a meeting in eastern Pakistan demanded the removal of the pope for making "insulting remarks" against Islam, and warned the West of severe consequences if it didn't change its stance regarding Islam.

Pope Benedict XVI "should be removed from his position immediately for encouraging war and fanning hostility between various faiths" and "making insulting remarks" against Islam, said a joint statement issued by the clerics and scholars at the end of their one-day convention in the eastern city of Lahore.

The "Pope, and all Infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad).... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," it said.

~@~

Who do these people think they are ? :gdgf:
My opinion is that these people would act this way regardless of who said what or even if nobody ever said anything.

I'm seriously of the opinion that the west needs to completely extract ourselves from the entire region and never send one dime of aid to those Islamic nations again.
Let them go back to a 4th century existence and the rest of the world can progress without the added burden of financial assistance which inevitably goes down a dark hole anyways.


My opinion goes the other way. I think we need to make it a practise in the west, to insult islam, and muhammad as often and as publicly as possible untill Muslims get it through thier jihad addled heads that no one else cares what thier religon forbids or allows. We should be creating magazines devoted specifically to insulting muhammad, making TV specials that portray him as the conquering, murdering, horse thieving, pedophile, that he was, we should be forcing the Muslims to listen to and watch constant insult to thier prophet and religon untill they finally realise that freedom of speech means you will be offended, and keep doing it untill they learn to live with it.

hahahahahahah, well put.

You got my vote.

The Republican plan for peace...brilliant.

Lets convert to Islam. = Democrat plan for peace.

[greeneye]

el_hombre_de_Dios wrote: Maybe their TV reception is poor....so they only heard the ""Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

I'm not sure you know your history.

[Charlie Man]

I don't think any democrat thinks that forced conversion (or converting because osama says so, whatever) is a good idea.

I DO, however, see a few idiots right here in the tread. Because picking fights with an entire religion is FUN!

Imagine if the US government started mocking christianity constantly, making "Under god" into "under no god" or something stupid like that. I'm sure we would have no revolt at all... right?

[FarPastGone]

ThinksYouAreAnIdiot wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Pakistani clerics, scholars want pope removed
Quote: LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) -- About 1,000 clerics and religious scholars at a meeting in eastern Pakistan demanded the removal of the pope for making "insulting remarks" against Islam, and warned the West of severe consequences if it didn't change its stance regarding Islam.

Pope Benedict XVI "should be removed from his position immediately for encouraging war and fanning hostility between various faiths" and "making insulting remarks" against Islam, said a joint statement issued by the clerics and scholars at the end of their one-day convention in the eastern city of Lahore.

The "Pope, and all Infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad).... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," it said.

~@~

Who do these people think they are ? :gdgf:
My opinion is that these people would act this way regardless of who said what or even if nobody ever said anything.

I'm seriously of the opinion that the west needs to completely extract ourselves from the entire region and never send one dime of aid to those Islamic nations again.
Let them go back to a 4th century existence and the rest of the world can progress without the added burden of financial assistance which inevitably goes down a dark hole anyways.


My opinion goes the other way. I think we need to make it a practise in the west, to insult islam, and muhammad as often and as publicly as possible untill Muslims get it through thier jihad addled heads that no one else cares what thier religon forbids or allows. We should be creating magazines devoted specifically to insulting muhammad, making TV specials that portray him as the conquering, murdering, horse thieving, pedophile, that he was, we should be forcing the Muslims to listen to and watch constant insult to thier prophet and religon untill they finally realise that freedom of speech means you will be offended, and keep doing it untill they learn to live with it.
You got my vote.

[jimmyz]

homerjay_s wrote: mendosan wrote: citizen_X wrote: ThinksYouAreAnIdiot wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Pakistani clerics, scholars want pope removed
Quote: LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) -- About 1,000 clerics and religious scholars at a meeting in eastern Pakistan demanded the removal of the pope for making "insulting remarks" against Islam, and warned the West of severe consequences if it didn't change its stance regarding Islam.

Pope Benedict XVI "should be removed from his position immediately for encouraging war and fanning hostility between various faiths" and "making insulting remarks" against Islam, said a joint statement issued by the clerics and scholars at the end of their one-day convention in the eastern city of Lahore.

The "Pope, and all Infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad).... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," it said.

~@~

Who do these people think they are ? :gdgf:
My opinion is that these people would act this way regardless of who said what or even if nobody ever said anything.

I'm seriously of the opinion that the west needs to completely extract ourselves from the entire region and never send one dime of aid to those Islamic nations again.
Let them go back to a 4th century existence and the rest of the world can progress without the added burden of financial assistance which inevitably goes down a dark hole anyways.


My opinion goes the other way. I think we need to make it a practise in the west, to insult islam, and muhammad as often and as publicly as possible untill Muslims get it through thier jihad addled heads that no one else cares what thier religon forbids or allows. We should be creating magazines devoted specifically to insulting muhammad, making TV specials that portray him as the conquering, murdering, horse thieving, pedophile, that he was, we should be forcing the Muslims to listen to and watch constant insult to thier prophet and religon untill they finally realise that freedom of speech means you will be offended, and keep doing it untill they learn to live with it.

hahahahahahah, well put.

You got my vote.

The Republican plan for peace...brilliant.

Maybe you prefer the Democrat "plan for peace",,,Oh wait! that plan was instituted before GW came on board.I think the "plans" administrator was this guy Bill Clinton.Look what that plan got us.Pffft so much for your sides plans. :lol: yeah really "brilliant"