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[cap'n queasy]

psholtz wrote: wormwood wrote: Quote: This does not necessarily prove the view to be correct but it certainly does prove what some of the earliest Christians thought about the subject. Thanks Cap, that is what I was looking for.

Did anyone follow the link and see that wiki really says the world is going to end Sept, 23 2006? :lol:
Holy Apocalypse!!! :shock:

That's my birthday!! :lol:

:lol: That's weird. Anyway, Happy Birthday. :-D

[psholtz]

cap'n queasy wrote: psholtz wrote: wormwood wrote: Quote: This does not necessarily prove the view to be correct but it certainly does prove what some of the earliest Christians thought about the subject. Thanks Cap, that is what I was looking for.

Did anyone follow the link and see that wiki really says the world is going to end Sept, 23 2006? :lol:
Holy Apocalypse!!! :shock:

That's my birthday!! :lol:

:lol: That's weird. Anyway, Happy Birthday. :-D
Thanks.. :-D

[wormwood]

Quote: Holy Apocalypse!!!

That's my birthday!! :lol:

Happy birthday...if it isn't the end of mankind and all.

[John]

Quote: This is more support for a judgment day, than a rapture. I see no mention of people just suddenly disappearing right before bad things begin to happen. However, upon the response from Todd and Cap I did a little more research and found these things, although admittedly they are not from the greatest source

I dunno know if it's going to be people just "disappearing". It will prolly have a "logical" explaination.

Put it this way...people like you who prolly think they would convert if they saw it happen, will prolly not have the big proof that would negate the need for Faith in order to be saved. It will happen in a way that we don't expect.

In fact...I would wager that it will be harder to believe after it happens than before.

[cap'n queasy]

John wrote: Quote: This is more support for a judgment day, than a rapture. I see no mention of people just suddenly disappearing right before bad things begin to happen. However, upon the response from Todd and Cap I did a little more research and found these things, although admittedly they are not from the greatest source

I dunno know if it's going to be people just "disappearing". It will prolly have a "logical" explaination.

Put it this way...people like you who prolly think they would convert if they saw it happen, will prolly not have the big proof that would negate the need for Faith in order to be saved. It will happen in a way that we don't expect.

In fact...I would wager that it will be harder to believe after it happens than before.

Look at the Egyptians. Ten plagues and they still didn't believe.

I think if people disappeared right before people's eyes they still wouldn't believe it.

It totally goes against the materialistic paradigm.

[toddytodd]

cap'n queasy wrote: John wrote: Quote: This is more support for a judgment day, than a rapture. I see no mention of people just suddenly disappearing right before bad things begin to happen. However, upon the response from Todd and Cap I did a little more research and found these things, although admittedly they are not from the greatest source

I dunno know if it's going to be people just "disappearing". It will prolly have a "logical" explaination.

Put it this way...people like you who prolly think they would convert if they saw it happen, will prolly not have the big proof that would negate the need for Faith in order to be saved. It will happen in a way that we don't expect.

In fact...I would wager that it will be harder to believe after it happens than before.

Look at the Egyptians. Ten plagues and they still didn't believe.

I think if people disappeared right before people's eyes they still wouldn't believe it.

It totally goes against the materialistic paradigm.
In today's age of scientific proof and the quest o for knowledge, I would suspect that it would take a lot for modern people to see something as a miracle, in biblical terms.
However, I think all miracles (past, present, future) could be tracked down with science if given enough time.
I don't think God operates outside of the scientific world he created, but only in ways we don't yet (and perhaps will never) totally understand

[cap'n queasy]

Science is simply explaining the world according to the materialist philosophy that is our modern paradigm. You can't explain the Lord's miracles with science, you can only explain away the Lord's miracles with science.

Look around you. Everything you see is the hand of the Lord. It's all a great and terrible miracle.

Amalek knows not the hand of the Lord when he sees it.

[wormwood]

Quote: I dunno know if it's going to be people just "disappearing". It will prolly have a "logical" explaination.

Put it this way...people like you who prolly think they would convert if they saw it happen, will prolly not have the big proof that would negate the need for Faith in order to be saved. It will happen in a way that we don't expect.

In fact...I would wager that it will be harder to believe after it happens than before. If you are right about the whole rapture idea, I'm sure this is correct. However, I would bet it will be more of a culling than a rapture. If I remember the story correctly, some false prophets will come first and they probably won't like the believers who can't be persuaded to see things their way.

[Dragoon]

cap'n queasy wrote: Science is simply explaining the world according to the materialist philosophy that is our modern paradigm. You can't explain the Lord's miracles with science, you can only explain away the Lord's miracles with science.

Look around you. Everything you see is the hand of the Lord. It's all a great and terrible miracle.

Amalek knows not the hand of the Lord when he sees it.

Utter nonsense. The world is not proof of God. It is not proof of miracles. Science is the pinnacle of human achievement and is thanfully proving that our old superstistions are no longer viable in the modern age.

THere is NO proof for God. There is no proof for religion. All they have is chicanery and word play. They know that they can never use science or any modern technology to prove their beliefs.

[cap'n queasy]

Dragoon wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Science is simply explaining the world according to the materialist philosophy that is our modern paradigm. You can't explain the Lord's miracles with science, you can only explain away the Lord's miracles with science.

Look around you. Everything you see is the hand of the Lord. It's all a great and terrible miracle.

Amalek knows not the hand of the Lord when he sees it.

Utter nonsense. The world is not proof of God. It is not proof of miracles. Science is the pinnacle of human achievement and is thanfully proving that our old superstistions are no longer viable in the modern age.

THere is NO proof for God. There is no proof for religion. All they have is chicanery and word play. They know that they can never use science or any modern technology to prove their beliefs.

:lol: You're only choice is to try to explain away God, within the materialistic paradigm. Yet, ironically, you are without scientific proof for your view, as well.

You did exactly what I predicted.

[Angelicus]

John wrote: Todd D. wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: That's like saying Noah built the ark after the flood. :-D
Not really. The Bible very clearly references the Resurrection of the Dead, it's impossible to deny that. Where Dispensationalism goes further is to say that resurrection, as well as that of those living, will occur BEFORE the Tribulation. That's fine, and you are certainly welcome to your interpretation. I just don't think it's wise to reference early church writers when, by your own admission, they disagree with you.

There is the Resurrection of the saved and of the damned.

They happen at different times.

Yep a resurrection happened shortly after Christ was crucified.

Matthew 27:52-53
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.