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cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

http://www.ticz.com/homes/users/bob/The-Rope/The-Rope.htm

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22873

Good stuff Cap!!! :-D

curisz · Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 2104 Location: chicago

Now see, I expected God to say "Who do you think is holding on to the other end of the rope?" Just goes to show what I know...

Random Evil Guy · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 1774

cap'n queasy wrote: http://www.ticz.com/homes/users/bob/The-Rope/The-Rope.htm

:lol:

what nonsense...

toddytodd · Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 2736

Random Evil Guy wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: http://www.ticz.com/homes/users/bob/The-Rope/The-Rope.htm

:lol:

what nonsense...

Seems to have the makings of 'spam' email to me

connermt · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 1526 Location: CMH OHIO

John wrote: Good stuff Cap!!! :-D
Yeah :roll:

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22873

connermt wrote: John wrote: Good stuff Cap!!! :-D
Yeah :roll:

Yeah. :-D

Babylon_Horuv · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 2087

Now how are to determine if strange voices in the cold and dark are God, Satan, or delerium?

ikari · Joined: 24 Sep 2004 Posts: 7059 Location: Colorado

If you fell that far only to have a mere rope stop your fall, the impulse delivered from the rope becoming taunt from falling the length of the rope would certainly kill you. That's why climbers first off use rope that has some elastic constant and tie off every X amount of feet.

Politically_Correct · Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 282 Location: Mississippi

You missed the point...

It was a fictious tale. It was used as a way of a devotion to explain the importance of trusting in God. It is a lot like the Storm and Peter's fear of stepping out on to the water and walking to Jesus.

Very good link, and nice point Cap.

ikari · Joined: 24 Sep 2004 Posts: 7059 Location: Colorado

I think the better point is that god gave you free will and intelligence; and those should have led one to the conclusion that climbing Mt. Everest by yourself in the dark is a bad idea and that you are going to die.

toddytodd · Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 2736

ikari wrote: I think the better point is that god gave you free will and intelligence; and those should have led one to the conclusion that climbing Mt. Everest by yourself in the dark is a bad idea and that you are going to die.

Just because God made people doesn't mean they all have common sense :)

ikari · Joined: 24 Sep 2004 Posts: 7059 Location: Colorado

toddytodd wrote: Just because God made people doesn't mean they all have common sense :)

So then the story is more about God's willingness to reward stupidity than it is using your God given talents to not get yourself into such a stupid situation in the first place?

toddytodd · Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 2736

ikari wrote: toddytodd wrote: Just because God made people doesn't mean they all have common sense :)

So then the story is more about God's willingness to reward stupidity than it is using your God given talents to not get yourself into such a stupid situation in the first place?

God made or not, God given talent or not - people do stupid things. Seems that the story was a typical story to uplift believers' spirits.

MKSWEO · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 32

aww made me smile, not cause the guy died but because of the whole message behind it.

Gilbert1908 · Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 5141 Location: Boston, MA

toddytodd wrote: ikari wrote: toddytodd wrote: Just because God made people doesn't mean they all have common sense :)

So then the story is more about God's willingness to reward stupidity than it is using your God given talents to not get yourself into such a stupid situation in the first place?

God made or not, God given talent or not - people do stupid things. Seems that the story was a typical story to uplift believers' spirits.

The guy dies due to lack of trust in God, remind me how that uplifts me as opposed to making a point?

You think a Christian reads that story and says to himself,"what a fool that guy was for NOT trusting God's word, not like me I'm better than that guy." When in fact the Christian says to himself "How many times have I been JUST LIKE the guy at the end of the rope? I need to make sure I try harder to live closer to the Words of Christ."

A story like this is not designed to make us feel superior to the climber, WE ARE THE CLIMBER!!!!!

ikari · Joined: 24 Sep 2004 Posts: 7059 Location: Colorado

Gilbert1908 wrote: WE ARE THE CLIMBER!!!!!

Here's a bit of advice then....do not climb Everest by yourself in the dark. The rope going taunt as you fall from near the summit to 10 feet above the ground will rip your midsection out and snap your neck.

I don't know, I've seen these sorts of analogies before and I've never seen a good one. The Footprints thing (with the dude looking back on his life seeing footprints) seems horribly insulting. This rope one seems rather ludicrous. But whatever, each to their own. I did find the story funny, so I guess that even I got some entertainment out of it.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Quote: do not climb Everest by yourself in the dark

This is a metaphor for life. Something that cannot be avoided.

toddytodd · Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 2736

Gilbert1908 wrote: toddytodd wrote: ikari wrote: toddytodd wrote: Just because God made people doesn't mean they all have common sense :)

So then the story is more about God's willingness to reward stupidity than it is using your God given talents to not get yourself into such a stupid situation in the first place?

God made or not, God given talent or not - people do stupid things. Seems that the story was a typical story to uplift believers' spirits.

The guy dies due to lack of trust in God, remind me how that uplifts me as opposed to making a point?

You think a Christian reads that story and says to himself,"what a fool that guy was for NOT trusting God's word, not like me I'm better than that guy." When in fact the Christian says to himself "How many times have I been JUST LIKE the guy at the end of the rope? I need to make sure I try harder to live closer to the Words of Christ."

A story like this is not designed to make us feel superior to the climber, WE ARE THE CLIMBER!!!!!

Perhaps you should think about the story more than just read the story...?
Maybe it is written in similarity to many bible stories - use the fear of 'what if I don't listen to this story and understand its warning...?' type of message?
"The glass is half full, the glass is half empty."...
And feeling 'superior' has nothing to do with it. It's a shame you read it that way. I suppose it's understanding is a reflection of one's personality and/or perception, which is not a good or bad thing - just a thing.

Gilbert1908 · Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 5141 Location: Boston, MA

toddytodd wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: toddytodd wrote: ikari wrote: toddytodd wrote: Just because God made people doesn't mean they all have common sense :)

So then the story is more about God's willingness to reward stupidity than it is using your God given talents to not get yourself into such a stupid situation in the first place?

God made or not, God given talent or not - people do stupid things. Seems that the story was a typical story to uplift believers' spirits.

The guy dies due to lack of trust in God, remind me how that uplifts me as opposed to making a point?

You think a Christian reads that story and says to himself,"what a fool that guy was for NOT trusting God's word, not like me I'm better than that guy." When in fact the Christian says to himself "How many times have I been JUST LIKE the guy at the end of the rope? I need to make sure I try harder to live closer to the Words of Christ."

A story like this is not designed to make us feel superior to the climber, WE ARE THE CLIMBER!!!!!

Perhaps you should think about the story more than just read the story...?
Maybe it is written in similarity to many bible stories - use the fear of 'what if I don't listen to this story and understand its warning...?' type of message?
"The glass is half full, the glass is half empty."...
And feeling 'superior' has nothing to do with it. It's a shame you read it that way. I suppose it's understanding is a reflection of one's personality and/or perception, which is not a good or bad thing - just a thing.

So then which is it as you see it, FEAR as you represent here or COMFORT as you represented in the first post?

And of couse we read into it what we SEE that was the point of my response to you to begin with!!!

You said its point was to comfort, I said the point was to remind us of OURSELVES that we are ALL the climber more willing to trust our own intellect or our self centered nature than ANYTHING ELSE.