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[PricklySponge]

Is it acceptable to hit a dog as a form of training?

EDIT: This thread is based on training dogs away from bad behavior ( ie. stealing food, aggression, jumping on people, etc)

[cap'n queasy]

That's not how dogs are trained.

[PricklySponge]

cap'n queasy wrote: That's not how dogs are trained. In my experience, having a dog associate bad behavior with pain is an effictive way of training

[cap'n queasy]

That's because you don't know anything about training dogs.

[PricklySponge]

cap'n queasy wrote: That's because you don't know anything about training dogs. :roll: Are you going to contribute to the thread, or troll?

[cap'n queasy]

Troll.

:lol:

[perdidochas]

cap'n queasy wrote: That's because you don't know anything about training dogs.

So what are your feelings about spanking kids?

[NAB]

I've got a good friend who trains seeíng-eye dogs (mainly Labs) and he never uses physical pain in his training. Positive reinforcement is always the best way to go, but when sterner measures are required there are other ways to get the dogs attention without hurting them.

If you haven't seen it, there's a pretty interesting show called the Dog Whisperer on Animal Planet that shows a hint of some of these techniques. You have to be stern, but basically it requires you treating the dog like You are the leader of the pack and as a junior member of said pack they must follow their leader. Basically all dogs WANT to be part of a pack and be lead, it's just when that leadership is misapplied or non-existent that the dog will start to become willful and try and gain the leadership themselves.

I have a Basset Hound which are notoriously independent and my dog-trainer friend gave me a few pointers that have helped immensely with my dog.

It's all about playing Jedi Mind tricks on them. :lol:

[cap'n queasy]

perdidochas wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: That's because you don't know anything about training dogs.

So what are your feelings about spanking kids?

What does training dogs have to do with spanking kids?

[perdidochas]

cap'n queasy wrote: perdidochas wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: That's because you don't know anything about training dogs.

So what are your feelings about spanking kids?

What does training dogs have to do with spanking kids?

Same basic principle. Use of pain to change/modify behavior. I have no problem with either spanking kids or using hitting as a punishment when training dogs. Pain to change behavior, IMHO, is a good last resort. Also, watch a mama dog with her puppies. She uses pain when appropriate.

[cap'n queasy]

perdidochas wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: perdidochas wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: That's because you don't know anything about training dogs.

So what are your feelings about spanking kids?

What does training dogs have to do with spanking kids?

Same basic principle. Use of pain to change/modify behavior. I have no problem with either spanking kids or using hitting as a punishment when training dogs. Pain to change behavior, IMHO, is a good last resort. Also, watch a mama dog with her puppies. She uses pain when appropriate.

Professional dog trainers do not hit dogs to train them.

And mama dog does not "train" her pups. If she did there would be no need for dog training.

[Otacon]

If a dog does something wrong, a slap to the head make them realize that they shouldn't do that again. It's not like the slap will hurt the dog.

[perdidochas]

cap'n queasy wrote: perdidochas wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: perdidochas wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: That's because you don't know anything about training dogs.

So what are your feelings about spanking kids?

What does training dogs have to do with spanking kids?

Same basic principle. Use of pain to change/modify behavior. I have no problem with either spanking kids or using hitting as a punishment when training dogs. Pain to change behavior, IMHO, is a good last resort. Also, watch a mama dog with her puppies. She uses pain when appropriate.

Professional dog trainers do not hit dogs to train them.

And mama dog does not "train" her pups. If she did there would be no need for dog training.

Of course she does. She trains her pups how to become dogs. We train them for different reasons.

[Demonic Spoon]

Didn't you know Perdidochas? Dogs were created exclusively for mankind. If mother dogs trained their dogs, they'd know how to roll over, fetch the newspaper, and generally be good dogs.

[cap'n queasy]

The fact is dog trainers do not hit dogs to train them.

[The Comrade]

cap'n queasy wrote: The fact is dog trainers do not hit dogs to train them.




that's funny because i everyone i know who has a dog seems to hit them for being bad.



guess what? their dogs don't poop on the floor, chew slippers, or jump on people.

[00timh]

I watched a show once where a professional dog trainer was brought in to help with really bad dogs. The guy was a genious. While he did not hit dogs, he had great ways of controlling them. He was stern with them and said basically that a dog must know its bounderies. Usually a choker is the best thing for serious problems. it gets their attention quick but without any prolonged pain.

[cap'n queasy]

The secret is being smarter than the dog. :-D

[Rankor and Pissing]

If training is done properly, you don't have to. Hacks and people who don't know what they are doing strike the animal - not necessary. Dogs follow a pack mentality and given you exert leadership and take charge properly, the dog will follow.

[The Comrade]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: If training is done properly, you don't have to. Hacks and people who don't know what they are doing strike the animal - not necessary. Dogs follow a pack mentality and given you exert leadership and take charge properly, the dog will follow.


and doesn't the alpha male generally show his physical prowess by beating on his fellow dog?