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Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

http://spikedhumor.com/articles/54563/President_G_W_Bush_Speaking.html

How does one succeed so well in the political arena and suck so bad at speaking and intellectual discourse? Is he a good representation of his political supporters?

Stevethereal · Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Bush, the idiot savant?

Silkheat wrote: http://spikedhumor.com/articles/54563/President_G_W_Bush_Speaking.html

How does one succeed so well in the political arena and suck so bad at speaking and intellectual discourse? Is he a good representation of his political supporters?

Bush displays no mannerisms typical of the idiot savant. He seems very aware of the effect he has on people. He is confident.

Many people, when they arrive at a position of great authority or celebrity, begin to think, unconsciously, that the ordinary rules of life simply don't apply to them. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

He seems genuinely puzzled that anyone or any party could disagree with his stand on torture.

John Galt · Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 21226 Location: Minnesota

Bush may not be the world'ss greatest wordsmith, but he uses that to his political advantage. He appeals to the common man because the common man thinks he's one of them, but he is not an idiot by any means and is quite intellegent.

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 17089 Location: Bliss

John Galt wrote: Bush may not be the world'ss greatest wordsmith, but he uses that to his political advantage. He appeals to the common man because the common man thinks he's one of them, but he is not an idiot by any means and is quite intellegent.

That was always my analysis. That it is intentional.

coppersink63 · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 4129 Location: Florida

John Galt wrote: Bush may not be the world'ss greatest wordsmith, but he uses that to his political advantage. He appeals to the common man because the common man thinks he's one of them, but he is not an idiot by any means and is quite intellegent.

So... Bush is a common man ... trying to run one of the most successful countries in the world fight a religious war with people who are willing to kill themselves to kill us....

Well thats the reason why were up to our knees in troubles.

Seems like your starting to realize what I knew back in 2001... :shock:

sublime · Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 7249 Location: USA

Why has this thread not been locked?

This intellectually deprived thinks the President is dumb? Puh-leeze!

Oh yeah. The effete snob John Kerry talks very well; but he's dumb as a stump!

coppersink63 · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 4129 Location: Florida

Revenant wrote: John Galt wrote: Bush may not be the world'ss greatest wordsmith, but he uses that to his political advantage. He appeals to the common man because the common man thinks he's one of them, but he is not an idiot by any means and is quite intellegent.

That was always my analysis. That it is intentional.

He intentionaly screws up his speaches to appeal to average joe highschool dropout?

Thats rich :lol:

JoeBen81 · Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 4582

John Galt wrote: Bush may not be the world'ss greatest wordsmith, but he uses that to his political advantage. He appeals to the common man because the common man thinks he's one of them, but he is not an idiot by any means and is quite intelligent.

I would consider myself common, but he doesn't appeal to me. I'd like some facts that point to him being intelligent. I'm not calling him an idiot, but I hesitate to call him intellegent.

Raoul Duke · Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 3016

Idiot, yes, savant, not so much.

Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

John Galt wrote: Bush may not be the world'ss greatest wordsmith, but he uses that to his political advantage. He appeals to the common man because the common man thinks he's one of them, but he is not an idiot by any means and is quite intellegent.

I guess he does appeal to the average man. His political machine is very intelligent, but I don't think he is. I believe he is average to lower intelligences as indicated by his speaking and his regular talking. Speaking isn't easy for a lot of people, but he screws up in ways that show that he isn't the brightest star in the sky. He has some heavy hitters backing him up. He is more in line with say a used car salesmen. He knows enough to sell and persuade people. Some of the greatest salesmen aren't intelligent.

John Galt · Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 21226 Location: Minnesota

Silkheat wrote: John Galt wrote: Bush may not be the world'ss greatest wordsmith, but he uses that to his political advantage. He appeals to the common man because the common man thinks he's one of them, but he is not an idiot by any means and is quite intellegent.

I guess he does appeal to the average man. His political machine is very intelligent, but I don't think he is. I believe he is average to lower intelligences as indicated by his speaking and his regular talking. Speaking isn't easy for a lot of people, but he screws up in ways that show that he isn't the brightest star in the sky. He has some heavy hitters backing him up. He is more in line with say a used car salesmen. He knows enough to sell and persuade people. Some of the greatest salesmen aren't intelligent.

Republicans always seem to be charaicatured as idiots or the most maniacal spinsters. They are neither. Let me be clear, I do not like Bush's policies, but he does know what he is doing and he acts this way on purpose.

JoeBen81 · Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 4582

John Galt wrote: Silkheat wrote: John Galt wrote: Bush may not be the world'ss greatest wordsmith, but he uses that to his political advantage. He appeals to the common man because the common man thinks he's one of them, but he is not an idiot by any means and is quite intellegent.

I guess he does appeal to the average man. His political machine is very intelligent, but I don't think he is. I believe he is average to lower intelligences as indicated by his speaking and his regular talking. Speaking isn't easy for a lot of people, but he screws up in ways that show that he isn't the brightest star in the sky. He has some heavy hitters backing him up. He is more in line with say a used car salesmen. He knows enough to sell and persuade people. Some of the greatest salesmen aren't intelligent.

Republicans always seem to be charaicatured as idiots or the most maniacal spinsters. They are neither. Let me be clear, I do not like Bush's policies, but he does know what he is doing and he acts this way on purpose.

Whatever. If you took the term "idiot" on PCF, I guarantee the word liberal will come up in most of sentences. Well, maybe Bush first, but most people can differeante between Bush, and republicans in general. No one is calling Republicans "idiots".

Stevethereal · Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject:

sublime wrote: Why has this thread not been locked?

This intellectually deprived thinks the President is dumb? Puh-leeze!

Oh yeah. The effete snob John Kerry talks very well; but he's dumb as a stump!

A rather subjective analysis. Anything that goes against your grain should be 'locked'. We have agreed that Bush is not stupid, but then, neither is Kerry.

coppersink63 · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 4129 Location: Florida

John Galt wrote: Silkheat wrote: John Galt wrote: Bush may not be the world'ss greatest wordsmith, but he uses that to his political advantage. He appeals to the common man because the common man thinks he's one of them, but he is not an idiot by any means and is quite intellegent.

I guess he does appeal to the average man. His political machine is very intelligent, but I don't think he is. I believe he is average to lower intelligences as indicated by his speaking and his regular talking. Speaking isn't easy for a lot of people, but he screws up in ways that show that he isn't the brightest star in the sky. He has some heavy hitters backing him up. He is more in line with say a used car salesmen. He knows enough to sell and persuade people. Some of the greatest salesmen aren't intelligent.

Republicans always seem to be charaicatured as idiots or the most maniacal spinsters. They are neither. Let me be clear, I do not like Bush's policies, but he does know what he is doing and he acts this way on purpose.

Acting dumb on purpose is hardly a political tactic ive heard of... Unfortunatly its not true. There have been several times that he yas acted dumb in private but was cought on tape... Like the 'Yo Blair" incident.

Still think hes faking?

Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

John Galt wrote: Silkheat wrote: John Galt wrote: Bush may not be the world'ss greatest wordsmith, but he uses that to his political advantage. He appeals to the common man because the common man thinks he's one of them, but he is not an idiot by any means and is quite intellegent.

I guess he does appeal to the average man. His political machine is very intelligent, but I don't think he is. I believe he is average to lower intelligences as indicated by his speaking and his regular talking. Speaking isn't easy for a lot of people, but he screws up in ways that show that he isn't the brightest star in the sky. He has some heavy hitters backing him up. He is more in line with say a used car salesmen. He knows enough to sell and persuade people. Some of the greatest salesmen aren't intelligent.

Republicans always seem to be charaicatured as idiots or the most maniacal spinsters. They are neither. Let me be clear, I do not like Bush's policies, but he does know what he is doing and he acts this way on purpose.

I view a lot of Republicans as very intelligent in my personal life as well as some in the political arena. Newt Gingrich is intelligent and a perfect example of an intelligent republican.

Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

sublime wrote: Why has this thread not been locked?

This intellectually deprived thinks the President is dumb? Puh-leeze!

Oh yeah. The effete snob John Kerry talks very well; but he's dumb as a stump!

It is rather hypocritical to call someone intellectually deprived when one can only think in terms of right vs left.

Stevethereal · Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject:

coppersink63 wrote: John Galt wrote: Silkheat wrote: John Galt wrote: Bush may not be the world'ss greatest wordsmith, but he uses that to his political advantage. He appeals to the common man because the common man thinks he's one of them, but he is not an idiot by any means and is quite intellegent.

I guess he does appeal to the average man. His political machine is very intelligent, but I don't think he is. I believe he is average to lower intelligences as indicated by his speaking and his regular talking. Speaking isn't easy for a lot of people, but he screws up in ways that show that he isn't the brightest star in the sky. He has some heavy hitters backing him up. He is more in line with say a used car salesmen. He knows enough to sell and persuade people. Some of the greatest salesmen aren't intelligent.

Republicans always seem to be charaicatured as idiots or the most maniacal spinsters. They are neither. Let me be clear, I do not like Bush's policies, but he does know what he is doing and he acts this way on purpose.

Acting dumb on purpose is hardly a political tactic ive heard of... Unfortunatly its not true. There have been several times that he yas acted dumb in private but was cought on tape... Like the 'Yo Blair" incident.

Still think hes faking?

Bush isn't contemplative, or introspective. On a general knowledge IQ test he probably would score highly, and he does know how to manipulate people. It's his judgment that is suspect.

Raoul Duke · Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 3016

By the time most people get to sixty years of age, they already know that both Russia and China are big. When presented with this information, it doesn't come as a great shock to them. Thanks to Tony Blair leaving his microphone on, we can hear Bush's voice and the childlike sense of wonder in it when he tells Tony "Russia and China are big!".

It's not like this is the only time he did this either. In brazil;, when shown a map of Brazil in relation to the rest of the continent, George said "Brazil is big!". That was in public. So in both public and private, George behaves like a third grader when presented with basic information.

He really is like an eight year old. "Is Russia a big or a small country, Johnny? And how about China?"

When asked a two-part question, he can never remember the second part when he's finished the first*. He even told journalists at one of his first press conferences not to ask two-part questions.

*Although I'm prepared to accept that this is the result of the drug/alcohol blitzkrieg that was happening in George's head in the 1970s and 80s.

Even post-blitzkrieg, however, even a below average intelligence person would still remember that Russia and China are both big.

Stevethereal · Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject:

Raoul Duke wrote: By the time most people get to sixty years of age, they already know that both Russia and China are big. When presented with this information, it doesn't come as a great shock to them. Thanks to Tony Blair leaving his microphone on, we can hear Bush's voice and the childlike sense of wonder in it when he tells Tony "Russia and China are big!".

It's not like this is the only time he did this either. In brazil;, when shown a map of Brazil in relation to the rest of the continent, George said "Brazil is big!". That was in public. So in both public and private, George behaves like a third grader when presented with basic information.

He really is like an eight year old. "Is Russia a big or a small country, Johnny? And how about China?"

When asked a two-part question, he can never remember the second part when he's finished the first*. He even told journalists at one of his first press conferences not to ask two-part questions.

*Although I'm prepared to accept that this is the result of the drug/alcohol blitzkrieg that was happening in George's head in the 1970s and 80s.

Even post-blitzkrieg, however, even a below average intelligence person would still remember that Russia and China are both big.

Picky, picky. Most people can't find Brazil on the map. Nobody ever questions me, except my wife, but if they did I would already have forgotten the second part by the time the total question was asked. Tell me quick: Where's Titticacca?

It's a lake, not a country, NN. Where's the Isle of Langerhorns? In your ear, NN. You flunked...

JoeBen81 · Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 4582

Silkheat wrote: sublime wrote: Why has this thread not been locked?

This intellectually deprived thinks the President is dumb? Puh-leeze!

Oh yeah. The effete snob John Kerry talks very well; but he's dumb as a stump!

It is rather hypocritical to call someone intellectually deprived when one can only think in terms of right vs left.

Agreed.

So funny coming from Sublime of all people.