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Varyag · Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Posts: 397 Location: Melos

skinn wrote: lilwolf wrote: This is where I want to see Nassarallah. and all of the ilk that target innocent people in Israel or where ever. They are terrorists and deserve this. I do not glorify killing but there are times when it needs to be done.

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yeah, 1200 times in lebanon in the past months, among them 500 times on children under 12 years old. damn those children terrorists, they are the most dangerous.

You get what you vote for, maybe all the dead people will make them think twice about voting for the hezbollah again. Then again muslims never learn do they? Hezbollah was launching rockets as Israel and its civilian population, Israel reapeatedly warned them to stop, they didn't, Israel kicked their ass, end of story. I do feel sorry for the non-muslim Lebanese in the crossfire though. How the christians and atheists of Lebanon even live with the muslims is beyond me, time for another civil war to sort the country out properly.

ALi* · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 427 Location: Beirut

Quote: You asked in my opinion who is worse.... simple Nassrallah is.
then i must admit.... it was the post count.
do you want me to make a comparation of how many peopel were killed as a results of orders from those 2 men???
nassrallah and bush????
if u add up teh numbers of all the persons killed by hezbollah since its formation in 1982 , it will still be less than what bush has already killed in irak alone!!!
pure criminality and terrorism....

Quote: This is where I want to see Nassarallah. and all of the ilk that target innocent people in Israel or where ever. They are terrorists and deserve this. I do not glorify killing but there are times when it needs to be done.

im not surprised. the ammount of hate u have for my people... ur just like any other brainwashed zionist who believe guns are the solution for everything.....
quote from ur avatar message: " LEGAL GUN OWNER FOR EVER " it shows me exactly what kinda of person u are.

Nico · Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 10160

ALi* wrote: i actually have it in arabic... is it okay?

yep as long as it can be sourced language doesn't matter ;)

MoscowMatt · Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 1458 Location: UK / Hungary

Plato & Socrates wrote: lilwolf wrote: This is where I want to see Nassarallah. and all of the ilk that target innocent people in Israel or where ever. They are terrorists and deserve this. I do not glorify killing but there are times when it needs to be done.

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Would you aim that same crosshair at those Israel soldiers who shoot Palestinian children going to school? On the justification of crossing a fence not meant to be crossed. These soldiers being 50 metres aways in the army watch tower, under no direct threat, under the defense of just following orders?

How do the soldiers know there is no direct threat? I seem to recall Palestnian kids being wired up with bombs in the past!

Hindsight is wonderful don't you think?

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12031 Location: idaho

Plato & Socrates wrote: lilwolf wrote: This is where I want to see Nassarallah. and all of the ilk that target innocent people in Israel or where ever. They are terrorists and deserve this. I do not glorify killing but there are times when it needs to be done.

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Would you aim that same crosshair at those Israel soldiers who shoot Palestinian children going to school? On the justification of crossing a fence not meant to be crossed. These soldiers being 50 metres aways in the army watch tower, under no direct threat, under the defense of just following orders?

Absolutely I would and that is a fact. Any soldier that Intentionally shoots kids is himself no better than the terrorists called Hezbollah or Hammas or any other number of them you want to put on the list.
Howver there is one thing though. The Israelis do not continually hide with innocent people, not hide in schools, hospitals, mosques, and a dozen other types of places to wage war.
The slime balls do that on a regular basis. If you deny that they do, then you are indeed misguided. Cowards hide within places for civilians to seek refuge and shoot from their in a hope that they won't be shot at.
Warfare in itself does not give a hoot about who is killed while it is being done. But when you intentionally hide with civilians then you are a coward , to willingly endanger your own people.
Fir those that condone that behavior then you are no better than a terrorist in their quest to get their ass capped.

fiction416 · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 620 Location: purgatory

lilwolf wrote:
The slime balls do that on a regular basis. If you deny that they do, then you are indeed misguided. Cowards hide within places for civilians to seek refuge and shoot from their in a hope that they won't be shot at.

PROVE IT - Seriously, prove that people are misguided, simply because they maybe under a different impression than you...

lilwolf wrote:
Fir those that condone that behavior then you are no better than a terrorist in their quest to get their ass capped.

So you are you in the same camp as Bush, inre: "it unacceptable to THINK"

Because I question things, I am not better than a terrorist?

Your indirect insults to those who may think that X is true, are unbelievable & a daily occurance....

I would suggest you STFU when it comes to this practise, as you are insulting alot of people, let alone what it means to be American.

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12031 Location: idaho

fiction416 wrote: lilwolf wrote:
The slime balls do that on a regular basis. If you deny that they do, then you are indeed misguided. Cowards hide within places for civilians to seek refuge and shoot from their in a hope that they won't be shot at.

PROVE IT - Seriously, prove that people are misguided, simply because they maybe under a different impression than you...

lilwolf wrote:
Fir those that condone that behavior then you are no better than a terrorist in their quest to get their ass capped.

So you are you in the same camp as Bush, inre: "it unacceptable to THINK"

Because I question things, I am not better than a terrorist?

Your indirect insults to those who may think that X is true, are unbelievable & a daily occurance....

I would suggest you STFU when it comes to this practise, as you are insulting alot of people, let alone what it means to be American.

If the shoe fits and you support terrorists then maybe you are, but that is your choice. You can run around for days and use the poor little me thing "I am not supposed to think " as often as you wish.
If you condone terrorists then you are no better than they are. That is my opinion. If it is not to your liking ...well live with it.
One you are still on your tirade about your ability to think and it being a bad thing.

If you choose to think someone that is a known terorist or group is not, then you are entitled to that. You are entitled to think, but to condone them in their actions like the Hezbollah, and all the rest of them as the good guys. In my opinion then your thinking is misguided and defective.
I do not see where it is of any use to show as there has been hundreds of pages and threads on the actions of hezzbollah and terrorist groups using civilian locals as places of refuge. You all rwady know this but you merely want a fight.
Not today. If you choose to think of Nassarallah clown as a good guy then that is your thought and you can have him.
Think as you will, but there is no way I am going to indulge your little game of trying to prove he's more of a dirt bag than he is. So, is Hez and all others that do what they do.

Tepic · Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 1397

ALi* wrote: " LEGAL GUN OWNER FOR EVER " it shows me exactly what kinda of person u are.
Your Avatar has Hizballah's flag in an eye, right? The one with a raised hand holding a gun?

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12031 Location: idaho

ALi* wrote: Quote: You asked in my opinion who is worse.... simple Nassrallah is.
then i must admit.... it was the post count.
do you want me to make a comparation of how many peopel were killed as a results of orders from those 2 men???
nassrallah and bush????
if u add up teh numbers of all the persons killed by hezbollah since its formation in 1982 , it will still be less than what bush has already killed in irak alone!!!
pure criminality and terrorism....

Quote: This is where I want to see Nassarallah. and all of the ilk that target innocent people in Israel or where ever. They are terrorists and deserve this. I do not glorify killing but there are times when it needs to be done.

im not surprised. the ammount of hate u have for my people... ur just like any other brainwashed zionist who believe guns are the solution for everything.....
quote from ur avatar message: " LEGAL GUN OWNER FOR EVER " it shows me exactly what kinda of person u are.

This is where you are clearly wrong I do not hate the lebanese people. I hate ignorant people that cannot and will not see the hezbollah for what they are...terrorists.
I wonder just what rights you have in Lebanon with regards to owning firearms?
I was wondering about your avatar.... the little flag in the eye with a gun. Yea, that says alot about your peaceful intent.

I am a gun owner and in that I do support the leagal american right to own and keep arms. That is our legal and constitutional right and I wonder what is your rights to such things, or if it is just carry your AK around and look for targets?

ALi* · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 427 Location: Beirut

Quote: That is our legal and constitutional right and I wonder what is your rights to such things
well ya... we to have the right to own guns.... but we dont go around bragging about it :?
look at urself ur pethetic.... i imagine you a 5 feet 150 pounds guy who has been beaten all his life and decided to take no more by owning a gun and threatening peopel with it hehe

Quote: or if it is just carry your AK around and look for targets?
actualy we carry M18s ;)

Quote: The Israelis do not continually hide with innocent people, not hide in schools, hospitals, mosques, and a dozen other types of places to wage war.

they hide in F-16 because noone can hit them and then bomb civilian targets killing children and women claiming there was hezbollah fighters inside....
anyway we all saw what happened after the IOF decided to persue a ground operation.... they didnt even enter 3km deep in lebanon they didnt have the opportunity to even CLAIM they had a lebanese village under their control.... (maybe marou al rass) after 10 days of combat....

Quote: Your Avatar has Hizballah's flag in an eye, right? The one with a raised hand holding a gun?
yes it does.... u see the things written in red means RESISTANCE.... we arent gonna resist with knifes and kung fu are we?

Tepic · Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 1397

ALi* wrote: IOF
I haven't seen anyone refer to Hizbshaitan.

ALi* wrote: yes it does.... u see the things written in red means RESISTANCE.... we arent gonna resist with knifes and kung fu are we?
Then you understand ... your avatar says as much about you as lilwolf's signature says about him.

ALi* · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 427 Location: Beirut

Quote: I haven't seen anyone refer to Hizbshaitan.
IOF: Israeli Occupation Army.

Quote: Then you understand ... your avatar says as much about you as lilwolf's signature says about him.
im talking abt individuals and not organisation and parties.

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1743 Location: London

Tepic wrote: ALi* wrote: IOF
I haven't seen anyone refer to Hizbshaitan.

ALi* wrote: yes it does.... u see the things written in red means RESISTANCE.... we arent gonna resist with knifes and kung fu are we?
Then you understand ... your avatar says as much about you as lilwolf's signature says about him.

So true!

fiction416 · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 620 Location: purgatory

Tepic wrote: ALi* wrote: IOF
I haven't seen anyone refer to Hizbshaitan.

ALi* wrote: yes it does.... u see the things written in red means RESISTANCE.... we arent gonna resist with knifes and kung fu are we?
Then you understand ... your avatar says as much about you as lilwolf's signature says about him.

+1

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12031 Location: idaho

ALi* wrote: Quote: That is our legal and constitutional right and I wonder what is your rights to such things
well ya... we to have the right to own guns.... but we dont go around bragging about it :?
look at urself ur pethetic.... i imagine you a 5 feet 150 pounds guy who has been beaten all his life and decided to take no more by owning a gun and threatening peopel with it hehe

Quote: or if it is just carry your AK around and look for targets?
actualy we carry M18s ;)

Quote: The Israelis do not continually hide with innocent people, not hide in schools, hospitals, mosques, and a dozen other types of places to wage war.

they hide in F-16 because noone can hit them and then bomb civilian targets killing children and women claiming there was hezbollah fighters inside....
anyway we all saw what happened after the IOF decided to persue a ground operation.... they didnt even enter 3km deep in lebanon they didnt have the opportunity to even CLAIM they had a lebanese village under their control.... (maybe marou al rass) after 10 days of combat....

Quote: Your Avatar has Hizballah's flag in an eye, right? The one with a raised hand holding a gun?
yes it does.... u see the things written in red means RESISTANCE.... we arent gonna resist with knifes and kung fu are we?

You know something here... Your ignorant attack on Israel cost the lives of innocent lebanese people and yet for your own terrorist organization to be so stupid as to continue the war shows that there is some part of stupid you just do not get.
Now ont to your little spoiled child tirade: Wrong, I am 6' 160 pounds and you would have a hard time finding fat on me. Sorry to burst your little bubble. Now, I have had a couple of ass whoopin's in my life but in all honesty I have never backed away from a fight unless there was no ther way out of it. I never have threatened any one with a gun on purpose and the ones that I have I shot.
So who cares what wepaons you are using really. It matters not.

Next: The hezzbollah cowards always hide with innocent people and you know it, you just don't have the guts to admit it. The numbers on the F-16 strike were grossly exagerated and you know that as well. You also know that every single time that Israel attacks it is after one of the Hez missles is fired into a town or village or where ever into Israel.You jnow that but will not admit it. It appears that it is okay for the punk terrorists to kill israeli children deliberatly but not for Israel to fight back, in your opinion.

Now, it is indeed a shame that Israel stopped when they did. They should have went ahead and finished the job. But as usual Israel stopped and you terrorists are back and beating your chests and whatever else you beat (I don't know).
Had they not stopped and went ahead then I am willing to bet that your terrorist organization would by now be damn near out of existance.

So in response to you ..... I have only one good question here. Let's see if you answer it the way I figure you will.

Are you a terrorist or a supporter of hezzbollah?

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7737 Location: Petah Tikva

Quote: well ya... we to have the right to own guns.... but we dont go around bragging about it

What about the oft broadcast guntoting rally's by Hezbollah?

Quote: actualy we carry M18s

Holy crap how did you manage to buy that and park it on the street? Or do you guys just carry around M-18 recoiless anti tank guns? I'd imagine that gets heavy doesnt it? And difficult to obtain the 57mm ammunition for it.

Quote: they hide in F-16 because noone can hit them

Is that not one of the rules of war? To avoid casualties? Why wouldnt we use a weapon that removes as much threat as possible to our soldiers? Are you telling me Lebanon wouldnt do the same?

Quote: anyway we all saw what happened after the IOF decided to persue a ground operation.... they didnt even enter 3km deep in lebanon they didnt have the opportunity to even CLAIM they had a lebanese village under their control.... (maybe marou al rass) after 10 days of combat....

We had troops all the way to the Litani river and we did overrun dozens of villages and towns, the issue was the heavy fighting in the towns that we had bypassed like Maroun Al Ras and Bint Jbail. We had commando raids deep into Bekka and Tyre.

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12031 Location: idaho

superskippy wrote: Quote: well ya... we to have the right to own guns.... but we dont go around bragging about it

What about the oft broadcast guntoting rally's by Hezbollah?

Quote: actualy we carry M18s

Holy crap how did you manage to buy that and park it on the street? Or do you guys just carry around M-18 recoiless anti tank guns? I'd imagine that gets heavy doesnt it? And difficult to obtain the 57mm ammunition for it.

Quote: they hide in F-16 because noone can hit them

Is that not one of the rules of war? To avoid casualties? Why wouldnt we use a weapon that removes as much threat as possible to our soldiers? Are you telling me Lebanon wouldnt do the same?

Quote: anyway we all saw what happened after the IOF decided to persue a ground operation.... they didnt even enter 3km deep in lebanon they didnt have the opportunity to even CLAIM they had a lebanese village under their control.... (maybe marou al rass) after 10 days of combat....

We had troops all the way to the Litani river and we did overrun dozens of villages and towns, the issue was the heavy fighting in the towns that we had bypassed like Maroun Al Ras and Bint Jbail. We had commando raids deep into Bekka and Tyre.

Superskippy this guy is nothing more than one of two things. He either is a terrorist or he is a hezbollah supporter.
His claims are all bweaseless and they will always be useless unfounded allegations that he sees and not what the truth is.

Personally I do wish Israel had not stopped. My experience over the years with the IDF is that go to great lengths to minimize casualty and innocent lives. But when you have gutless cowards hiding where they do, they purposely endanger their own people to cause further war and loss of life.
Next time I hope Israel stops only after the job is done. Israel will always have my support.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

lilwolf wrote: If you condone terrorists then you are no better than they are.

Ah! Nice to see how well you stop to address the situation. I'm assuming it goes like this in your head...

Terrorist - Kills innocent people and children for no reason other than hatred. Bad! Must burn in the lake of fire.

fiction416 - Mentions that he understands the reasons why terrorism happens. Bad! Must burn in the lake of fire.

You've condoned the killing of innocent people on this forum as long as it acheives a somewhat unclear objective. So by your logic you're as bad as the terrorists as well.

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 12031 Location: idaho

slitedeviance wrote: lilwolf wrote: If you condone terrorists then you are no better than they are.

Ah! Nice to see how well you stop to address the situation. I'm assuming it goes like this in your head...

Terrorist - Kills innocent people and children for no reason other than hatred. Bad! Must burn in the lake of fire.

fiction416 - Mentions that he understands the reasons why terrorism happens. Bad! Must burn in the lake of fire.

You've condoned the killing of innocent people on this forum as long as it acheives a somewhat unclear objective. So by your logic you're as bad as the terrorists as well.

First off I have not condoned the killing of innocent people in the least. A terrorist is not innocent in any legal fashion or defination of the word.

They are deliberatly killing innocent people and doing so for their own gain or whatever they do it for.
If I were killing terrorists my clear goal would be to hunt them down and kill them. To do it in a deliberate fashion that purposely tagets innocent people is wrong absolutely. But if the terroriste and in this case is the Hezbollah then they need to be hunted down and eradicated. They are not innocent and there fore eliminating them is not an unclear objective.

fiction416 · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 620 Location: purgatory

lilwolf wrote: slitedeviance wrote: lilwolf wrote: If you condone terrorists then you are no better than they are.

Ah! Nice to see how well you stop to address the situation. I'm assuming it goes like this in your head...

Terrorist - Kills innocent people and children for no reason other than hatred. Bad! Must burn in the lake of fire.

fiction416 - Mentions that he understands the reasons why terrorism happens. Bad! Must burn in the lake of fire.

You've condoned the killing of innocent people on this forum as long as it acheives a somewhat unclear objective. So by your logic you're as bad as the terrorists as well.

First off I have not condoned the killing of innocent people in the least. A terrorist is not innocent in any legal fashion or defination of the word.

They are deliberatly killing innocent people and doing so for their own gain or whatever they do it for.
If I were killing terrorists my clear goal would be to hunt them down and kill them. To do it in a deliberate fashion that purposely tagets innocent people is wrong absolutely. But if the terroriste and in this case is the Hezbollah then they need to be hunted down and eradicated. They are not innocent and there fore eliminating them is not an unclear objective.

Okay, but define that... Define Terrorist, Define Innocent, Define Legal. And then explain how they work in that sentence of yours above?

Furthermore, please explain to me the dead children, who were killed by the IDF, while bombing a house @ night, while all were sleeping, in this hypothetical example of mine.

Who approved these people terrorists?
What crime did they commint?
When did they get the chance to defend themselves?
Who is taking accountability for the dead children?

Can you not see, how this type of behavior, is terrorism, too?

PS: can you link me to the Internationally agreed upon term for defining a terrorist, please?