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[Dagger]

All I want to say is, that Islam takes itself very seriouslly.


In Islam there are topics you dont talk about, topics you dont joke about, and topics you never ever insult.

The west as time has passed has reformed. it has moved away from its relgious roots for the most part.

but one must realise that Just because the west did it, does not mean it is right.

Just because a jewish person might make a joke about moses, dosnt mean a muslim person will.

yes there are many moderate muslims, but Ive been reading some posts lately, and although I have never approved of Radical Islamic behaviour. I am appalled by some of the comments made.

"Lets nuke the muslims and get it over with"
"These animals (muslims) need to be stopped"

I and majority of the muslims do not ask for the annialation of the United States. We do not ask for the nukeing, for people who have killed there share of people.

When it comes down to it. in my opnion, the west needs to back of, and let the islamic world find its way to its utopia. it will figure it out. Go stop the real threats liek osama and not go after imaged WMDs

Forcing someone to reform, or become better, makes things worse. I would never go to sleep when my mom told me, id always argue, now i do it because i know i need it.


I realise that it is inhumane to stop and watch people be butchered, women be opressed.

but I ask you this, why are we going after the muslim nations?

If the west cares so much about human life, why is it not spending billions on Darfur....

And please note when i refer to the west, i am talking about the people who support the war.

Just as i know when most people refer to muslim they dont mean the moderate muslim but the radical, when i am refering to the west in this post i am refering to those who support htis war.


This war agaisnt Islam. Because believe me people around the world esspicially the muslim community see it as a war agaisnt Islam.

Afganistan, iraq, now maybe Iran.... I think most people notice the trend. Pakistan is in there also, for not helping enough to find Osama, who by the way is relaxing planning another atack on the US, while innocent Muslims are being killed. And those who survive will probably join osama, because the amercians, might not have killed there family, but there family died because of a war started by the States, And if they dont join Al Queda they might join some toehr militia.

I hope you people (you mongers of war, and glory, they glory you think you will recieve once you rid the world of terrorism, and radical islam) realise that there is no way, in any relgions hell, that this war can be won by the Americans.

Each and everyday, more and more youth wll join the fight agaisnt the opressor of islam, the enemy of mohammed. More and more youth will get fustrated, by what they see on there propaganda filled tvs.

Each and everyday, more and more youth will join the fight aginst the Opressor of "freedom", the enemy of humanity. More and more youth will get fustrated, by the killings of terrorists, by what they see on there tvs.

See where im going with this? I am writing this becasue i am a canadian youth and a muslim, i see both sides, and i wonder, how can these adults who teach us to be kind, and curtious.

Who teach us to solve our differances with talk, blow the s**t out of each other and expect us to do as they say!

islam is a great religion, and I think the new converts, new muslims, for examples christians converitng to islam, make the best muslims.

For you are not told what to believe, what is right and what is wrong.

you read the quran, and you follow the true path that most muslims like me have wandered clear off of.

Most muslims listen to what there parents tell them, or what the cleric tells them.... and thats the problem...

I left alot of thoguhts trailing, because i dont ahve a awneser ir idea about them, and just wrote what was cooming in my head.

Id add more, cause i have hours of thoughts i wanted to put down, but i got school tmo. Tell me what you think... where im wrong where im right, where my word is mispelled, im just to lazy and sleepy to go back and proof read and chk over, plus that way what i truly meant is in there, and not politically correct bullshyt, that we always go back and correct for hoping we dont say something that might offend someone.

[jeechoscopy]

The wave against Islam we are surfing in is only due to the political agenda of America. Years before, it was planned -almost 50 years, and you will see clean sweep of muslims from the world blaming all them terrorists and non-evolving radicals. It's not my propaganda it is happening -at least in middle east. The evidance of this happening are 1- creating agression in Middle East by invading their countires, 2-spreading hatred in the west against Islam withought following any moral rules in the name of freedom of speach, 3- creating the philosophy of "civilazational clash" that will lead to filter and separate societies and 4- finally WW3 that will really clean sweep as a "final solution."

Did you see how Benedict the pope of Christian world, use a quote to teach ingnorance to his Christian followers? Actually he taught "civilizational clash." Though he quoted but his addressing was taken seriousely because he is considered a serious one. And you see his adressing arised when the South American Christian nations -I mean, Brazil, Venezualla and Cuba, were going to get connected with the states like Iran, S. Arabia and Pakistan. His statement with the quote worked exactly like a politcal and creedy hurdle in that connection.

And you see that only middle east is not blamed now but Islam -the world's most rapidly growing religion, thus it covered the greater spectrum.
In this sense, we Muslims should not rather, be declared ourselfs innocent at all; our responsibility is to stand with justice rather then we stand with the "left wing of the wave" -i mean Osama and company. They are filling the gap of "reactions" that the American agenda needs, nothing hurts them while we all are suffered by only being a nominal muslim.

I was very hopefull just a few years ago... when I was thinking that the world had become a global village and we human are the citizens but I gloomed by the chain after chain of propaganda against us Muslims, and our belief Islam. I was really thinking when we were adopting global cultures varying with our believes and evolving as a super human nature but I was shoked; we human at least, are not that super.


Generally, I agree to the most of your points but the last paragraph. Keep loving even with mispelling.

P.S. I use "American Agenda" as a term for PNAC plus different conspiracies for selfish Americanization (politically, not socially) worldwide.

[mendosan]

Quote: The wave against Islam we are surfing in is only due to the political agenda of America. Years before, it was planned -almost 50 years, and you will see clean sweep of muslims from the world blaming all them terrorists and non-evolving radicals. It's not a propaganda it is happening -at least in middle east. The evidance of this happening are 1- creating agression in Middle East by invading their countires, 2-spreading hatred in the west against Islam withought following any moral rules in the name of freedom of speach, 3- creating the philosophy of "civilazational clash" that will lead to separate them and 4- finally WW3 that will really clean sweep as a "final solution."

Wave against Islam? I don't really get what your saying here I will try and answer the for points you have made.

1. Er difficult to answer becuase I really don't know why Iraq happend, obiously with Afganistan its a bit diffrent because they refused to give up Al Queda which meant the US and its Allies had to act. I personally don't think this is part of some contrived plot against Islam.

2. Im gonna need examples, the freedom of speech thing is tricky because I personally believe in open debate about ideas and concepts, simply put if something is true, even if its offensive to some people should be able to be told, its then up to the people who find it offensive to disprove it or accept it.

3. Islam has its own version of this dar al-Islam, the house of submission and dar al-Harb, the house of war, can't see how you can critise anyone for seperating peoples.

4. WW3 with whom?

Quote: Did you see how Benedict the pope of Christian world, use a quote to teach ingnorance to his Christian followers? Actually he taught "civilizational clash." Though he quoted but his adressing was taken seriousely because he is considered a serious one. And you see his adressing arised when the South American Christian nations -I mean, Brazil, Venezualla and Cuba, were going to get connected with the states like Iran, S. Arabia and Pakistan. His statemenst with the quote worked exactly like a politcal and creeding hurdle in that connection.


Surly its the ignorance and over reaction of Muslims that will alienate the Catholic Latin American states, its not wise to burn effigies of there supreme religious leader, some would label that highly offensive.

By the way the Pope is only Gods represntative on earth for the 1.2 billion Catholics, many of the other Christian denominations (protestants, non-conformists and the like) veiw him as something of an anti-christ

[Muslima]

If the US really and truly is aiming to make the world a better place, maybe they should start with the women in India. Their lives are way worse than anybody in this world, they are poor, women are treated really badly (muslim women have never been treated like them), they have nobody to care about them, AND they are Hindus!

So don't keep blaming Islam.

[jeechoscopy]

mendosan wrote: Wave against Islam?

A storm of blames is distorting your path like flying ghosts’ nails is scratching your face, and a chant from the hell calling you bloody; it sounds really a WAVE when your soul is pulled out from your chest and the rest of the body.

[Babylon_Horuv]

Muslima wrote: If the US really and truly is aiming to make the world a better place, maybe they should start with the women in India. Their lives are way worse than anybody in this world, they are poor, women are treated really badly (muslim women have never been treated like them), they have nobody to care about them, AND they are Hindus!

So don't keep blaming Islam.

Are you certain of your facts? I have noticed that you are often misinformed regarding Jews and i know that Hindus are another religion that Muslims have traditionally had conflicts with. I have had several female friends in India and they are treated as well as women in the west. Of course they may be the exception, or the minority, but I would be careful making statements like that about people of other religions when it seems much of your sources on people of other religions are biased and innacurate.

[jeechoscopy]

Babylon_Horuv wrote: Muslima wrote: If the US really and truly is aiming to make the world a better place, maybe they should start with the women in India. Their lives are way worse than anybody in this world, they are poor, women are treated really badly (muslim women have never been treated like them), they have nobody to care about them, AND they are Hindus!

So don't keep blaming Islam.

Are you certain of your facts? I have noticed that you are often misinformed regarding Jews and i know that Hindus are another religion that Muslims have traditionally had conflicts with. I have had several female friends in India and they are treated as well as women in the west. Of course they may be the exception, or the minority, but I would be careful making statements like that about people of other religions when it seems much of your sources on people of other religions are biased and innacurate.

She is very true on his opinion. As, we have a lot of relatives in India we are told the same story Muslima is exposing here. Women have given now, a much freedom in India though, but a religious subconscious thought is still weighing on that culture. If you were really, know about women in Hindu cultures, she had been only servant of man or lesser than it.
Search the words Sati and b’li in wikipedia or google, and you would get the information on a few of the traditions for women, once been in Hindu culture that really effects on today's Indian female gender.

I must admit that Hinduism is based on religious traditions. And traditions use to be changed. We hope one-day, Hindu women would get their deserving rights in every corner of India.

[Rankor and Pissing]

Well, all the worlds ills and the paths to those ills seem to all either originate from or be directed to Israel. If there's one over arching thing about Islam is it's hatred of Jews. Most debates and discussions even here on PCF usually get directed to either Palestine, Israel or some version of that. American's government who supports Israel would obviously be included in that "road" to Israel. Cartoons, the Pope, etc. are simply excuses to cause more outrage and involve more emotional anti-Arab or anti-Islam rhetoric and direct them to the evil West.

To Muslima: If Muslims truely wanted to prove they are not a violent religion, they would not allow fatwas and jihad to be accepted by heretics of Islam like Al-Qeada.

It is not Islam's fault - it is the extremist faithful who bastardizes Islam's fault. Very true. However, when Muslims do nothing to reject that extremism, what message does that send to the Christian world?

[Muslima]

Babylon_Horuv wrote: Muslima wrote: If the US really and truly is aiming to make the world a better place, maybe they should start with the women in India. Their lives are way worse than anybody in this world, they are poor, women are treated really badly (muslim women have never been treated like them), they have nobody to care about them, AND they are Hindus!

So don't keep blaming Islam.

Are you certain of your facts? I have noticed that you are often misinformed regarding Jews and i know that Hindus are another religion that Muslims have traditionally had conflicts with. I have had several female friends in India and they are treated as well as women in the west. Of course they may be the exception, or the minority, but I would be careful making statements like that about people of other religions when it seems much of your sources on people of other religions are biased and innacurate.

believe me, in their villages, women are way unjusted!

[Muslima]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: To Muslima: If Muslims truely wanted to prove they are not a violent religion, they would not allow fatwas and jihad to be accepted by heretics of Islam like Al-Qeada.

It is not Islam's fault - it is the extremist faithful who bastardizes Islam's fault. Very true. However, when Muslims do nothing to reject that extremism, what message does that send to the Christian world?

I know. I live in an Islamic country, I never heard a fatwa about supporting Al-Qaeda, actually there are many series that discuss terrorism and many Muslims are outraged because it talks about an issue that might really affect the children.

the civilians have nothing to do, they are afraid about the consequences.