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Josh
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:08 am Post subject: Biodiesel |
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| I've got plans to rig a SVO or a biodiesel to a Passat or Jetta stationwagon. I was wondering if there were any diesel mechanics or biodiesel folks on this forum. |
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David
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| It looks real promising but if you've been running diesel for a while you'll need to carry spare fuel filters.Biodiesel will clean out the fuel lines and tank and the algae will clog up the filter regularly until they are clean.Right now the recommendation by the motor manufacturers is an 80/20 mix diesel to bio but a lot of people are running it straight with no problems so far. |
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perdidochas
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Biodiesel |
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Josh wrote: I've got plans to rig a SVO or a biodiesel to a Passat or Jetta stationwagon. I was wondering if there were any diesel mechanics or biodiesel folks on this forum.
From what I've read, if you don't live in the snowbelt, there are few if any modifications needed for biodiesel. Now, there may be for "greasel" from biodiesel made from fast food grease, but run of the mill biodiesel should be able to be used in any diesel. |
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TNBiologist
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Biodiesel |
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perdidochas wrote: Josh wrote: I've got plans to rig a SVO or a biodiesel to a Passat or Jetta stationwagon. I was wondering if there were any diesel mechanics or biodiesel folks on this forum.
From what I've read, if you don't live in the snowbelt, there are few if any modifications needed for biodiesel. Now, there may be for "greasel" from biodiesel made from fast food grease, but run of the mill biodiesel should be able to be used in any diesel.
A lot depends on the age/condition of your motor. Most newer manufactured motors can take biodiesel without any problems but some older motors have gasket issues once you start to run biodiesel. If your motor is older than early 1990's you might want to let a good diesel mechanic check it out. |
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Josh
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I've already done older model cars and a few older Cummins and Detroit motors. I'm just a little fretful to tackle these TDS motors. I've seen someone else do it but, I'm wondering if the electronic sensors will go haywire because of the density and pressure differences on the fuels.
I was a diesel mechanic working for my father's company throughout my undergraduate and high school years. This will be a SVO motor (straight vegatable oil). |
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bob.appleyard
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poweRob
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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bob.appleyard wrote: http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66082
bob...
if you greasel you car out, you can use WVO or waste vegetable oil which you collect yourself. this keeps it out of the landfills and can ad around 20% life expectancy to your engine. |
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bob.appleyard
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poweRob wrote: bob.appleyard wrote: http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66082
bob...
if you greasel you car out, you can use WVO or waste vegetable oil which you collect yourself. this keeps it out of the landfills and can ad around 20% life expectancy to your engine.
A drop in the ocean. |
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poweRob
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Biodiesel |
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Josh wrote: I've got plans to rig a SVO or a biodiesel to a Passat or Jetta stationwagon. I was wondering if there were any diesel mechanics or biodiesel folks on this forum.
Just do some research and Q&A's in some online forums about greasecar's and greasels.
There's all kinds of help online.
Don't know which direction to point you in because SVO and biodiesel are two completely different systems. Biodiesel will not need any altering (other than keeping an eye on your filters as David pointed out). SVO will take adding a second tank and some other tweaks which the forums will help you with. |
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Josh
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: A drop in the ocean.
That's all we are to begin with as individuals in everything.
Some drops can make bigger waves than others and eventually change happens. |
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poweRob
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bob.appleyard wrote: poweRob wrote: bob.appleyard wrote: http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66082
bob...
if you greasel you car out, you can use WVO or waste vegetable oil which you collect yourself. this keeps it out of the landfills and can ad around 20% life expectancy to your engine.
A drop in the ocean.
The more you drive up car mileage and fuel usage, the larger that drop becomes. |
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bob.appleyard
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poweRob wrote: The more you drive up car mileage and fuel usage, the larger that drop becomes.
OR: don't use a car. |
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Free Thinkr
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bob.appleyard wrote: poweRob wrote: The more you drive up car mileage and fuel usage, the larger that drop becomes.
OR: don't use a car.
Oh, well, that's realistic. :roll: |
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Josh
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| I ride my bike during the day. Of course, I live in a relatively bike friendly town. |
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ubikk
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Biodiesel |
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Josh wrote: I've got plans to rig a SVO or a biodiesel to a Passat or Jetta stationwagon. I was wondering if there were any diesel mechanics or biodiesel folks on this forum.
You shouldn't need to do anything to the car to burn clean biodiesel. You might need to add some anti-gel when it's cold.
For the vegetable oil, you'll have to install a heated tank and a valve.
poweRob wrote:
if you greasel you car out, you can use WVO or waste vegetable oil which you collect yourself. this keeps it out of the landfills and can ad around 20% life expectancy to your engine.
Most waste cooking fat does not end up in landfills. It gets turned into pet food and cosmetic products. Most states ban liquid waste in landfills. Some of it is even blended into crude fuel for things like cement kilns. |
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bob.appleyard
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Free Thinkr wrote: bob.appleyard wrote: poweRob wrote: The more you drive up car mileage and fuel usage, the larger that drop becomes.
OR: don't use a car.
Oh, well, that's realistic. :roll:
It is for me. I have no need for a car whatsoever. |
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Quell
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| Or you could alter it to use water...Yes water... |
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perdidochas
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Quell wrote: Or you could alter it to use water...Yes water...
The whole water thing is a hoax. |
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poweRob
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Quell wrote: Or you could alter it to use water...Yes water...
That piece is quite misleading. I've seen it time and again. So many people sent that to me. Then he says right in the middle of the piece it takes water and electricity for the electrolysis process. Where does the electricity come from? It's just as much the fuel as the water. Once you run the water molecule through electrolysis process, then it isn't water anymore so water really isn't the fuel, it is like crude oil is to gas. Unfinished.
Unfortunately, it takes A LOT of electricity/energy to split the H2O molecule. he can make the claim that it only uses water, but I'd like to see his electric bill is now.
That being said, the other traits of his torch and such seem quite neat. |
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Quell
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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poweRob wrote: Quell wrote: Or you could alter it to use water...Yes water...
That piece is quite misleading. I've seen it time and again. So many people sent that to me. Then he says right in the middle of the piece it takes water and electricity for the electrolysis process. Where does the electricity come from? It's just as much the fuel as the water. Once you run the water molecule through electrolysis process, then it isn't water anymore so water really isn't the fuel, it is like crude oil is to gas. Unfinished.
Unfortunately, it takes A LOT of electricity/energy to split the H2O molecule. he can make the claim that it only uses water, but I'd like to see his electric bill is now.
That being said, the other traits of his torch and such seem quite neat.
The point was, is that there are no direct emissions.. |
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