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[mendosan]

The Pope must die, says Muslim

"Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment."

Is that phrase incitment to violence? Should the police be investigating some of these protesters under incitment to violence laws, instead of wasting police time investigating Cherie Blair?



Cherie cleared of 'slapping' teenager

[thundertaker]

When it comes to Islamic extremists, this picture always amuses me:



As for Cherie, I'm sort of glad she did get a visit from the fuzz. It's about time members of the PC New Labour establishment felt the sharp end of insane political correctness, maybe it will eventually stir them to do something about it....

[DSwain]

thundertaker wrote: When it comes to Islamic extremists, this picture always amuses me:



As for Cherie, I'm sort of glad she did get a visit from the fuzz. It's about time members of the PC New Labour establishment felt the sharp end of insane political correctness, maybe it will eventually stir them to do something about it....

Interesting, Mendosan - that seems to be clear incitement to me, even under our old, less draconian laws. Maybe some right-thinking citizen should file a complaint with the Metropolitan Police? I wonder what is Mr Chouhaury's immigration/citizenship status?

Nice pic, Thunder - reminds me of the great Leslie Nielson line from one of the Naked Gun films

"Not one of us at Police Squad will rest for a moment until your husband's murderer is put behind bars....now let's go get a bite to eat."

I loved the Cherie story - must have rankled even more with Cherie that the 'offending' teenager was from a 'good' family and was public school - we all know how 'right-on' she is, so long as it doesn't affect her own sprogs

[Ssushi]

[quote="mendosan"Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment."
[/quote]

It's interesting. Freedom of speech or protecting an idiot who although having some kind of direct-line to god, can still f**k up this badly.

I really have little sympathy for the pope I have to say. I wouldn't go into a Mosque and say what he said. I'd be asking for a puch in the face. A man in his position, standing at this moment in time should know better than to enflame an issue which can affect us all, through his words. He's really no better than the radical muslims.

However, this is the definition:

17A
Meaning of “religious hatred”

In this Part “religious hatred” means hatred against a group of 10 persons defined by reference to religious belief or lack of religious belief.”

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmbills/011/06011.i-i.html

It's not clear to me if these statements fit the definition but I think it wrong that anyone in the country can make statements like this.

[mendosan]

I thought that maybe it should have been under incitement to murder, but after thinking it over its best to just ignore it, I think they wanted to get arrested.

[The_Right_Honourable]

Sadly they might do more damage kicked out of the country and they seem to thrive on publicity...

It was a mistake by the Pope but still, it was a f***ing quote!

[Plato & Socrates]

mendosan wrote: The Pope must die, says Muslim

"Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment."

Is that phrase incitment to violence? Should the police be investigating some of these protesters under incitment to violence laws, instead of wasting police time investigating Cherie Blair?



Cherie cleared of 'slapping' teenager

1 out of a 1000 lunatic extremists? So what? We all know these loudmouths exist. Don't get into such a lather about this type. Its the ones who keep quite and blend in, are the ones we want to worry about. All this constant bashing of Islam, will alienate the very moderate Muslim people we need to defeat extremism. We all know that for many people, the Muslim group s*cks at the moment. But it does'nt take someone with your intelligence Mendosan, to fall to that level. There methods of decent are wrong in the form of extremism. But dont kid yourself that they have'nt got some genuine grievances. Grievances we deny we perpetrate, more or less to remedy.
Without there oil, we would be f**ked, don't ever forget that in your equation. We will do anything and everything to make sure we have access to it, and we are duplicitous in our means.

[mendosan]

Plato & Socrates wrote: mendosan wrote: The Pope must die, says Muslim

"Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment."

Is that phrase incitment to violence? Should the police be investigating some of these protesters under incitment to violence laws, instead of wasting police time investigating Cherie Blair?



Cherie cleared of 'slapping' teenager

1 out of a 1000 lunatic extremists? So what? We all know these loudmouths exist. Don't get into such a lather about this type. Its the ones who keep quite and blend in, are the ones we want to worry about. All this constant bashing of Islam, will alienate the very moderate Muslim people we need to defeat extremism. We all know that for many people, the Muslim group s*cks at the moment. But it does'nt take someone with your intelligence Mendosan, to fall to that level. There methods of decent are wrong in the form of extremism. But dont kid yourself that they have'nt got some genuine grievances. Grievances we deny we perpetrate, more or less to remedy.
Without there oil, we would be f**ked, don't ever forget that in your equation. We will do anything and everything to make sure we have access to it, and we are duplicitous in our means.

Its not about there grievansis its about if they broke the law, if they did they should be charged and put on trial, no special treatment what ever religion.

[Plato & Socrates]

mendosan wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote: mendosan wrote: The Pope must die, says Muslim

"Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment."

Is that phrase incitment to violence? Should the police be investigating some of these protesters under incitment to violence laws, instead of wasting police time investigating Cherie Blair?



Cherie cleared of 'slapping' teenager

1 out of a 1000 lunatic extremists? So what? We all know these loudmouths exist. Don't get into such a lather about this type. Its the ones who keep quite and blend in, are the ones we want to worry about. All this constant bashing of Islam, will alienate the very moderate Muslim people we need to defeat extremism. We all know that for many people, the Muslim group s*cks at the moment. But it does'nt take someone with your intelligence Mendosan, to fall to that level. There methods of decent are wrong in the form of extremism. But dont kid yourself that they have'nt got some genuine grievances. Grievances we deny we perpetrate, more or less to remedy.
Without there oil, we would be f**ked, don't ever forget that in your equation. We will do anything and everything to make sure we have access to it, and we are duplicitous in our means.

Its not about there grievansis its about if they broke the law, if they did they should be charged and put on trial, no special treatment what ever religion.

I agree with you 100%. No exceptions, no political correctness for the sensitivities of the Muslim community. If he broke the law, which seems to be the case. The appropriate authorities should take the necessary actions.

[b.scheller]

I think it's important to remember that extremism has not only arisen within Islamic states, but also predominantly christian ones. Religious extremism that usually takes on the hold or is covered by the message of hate and racism.

Continental Europe is slow on the progress of multi-cultural acceptance. Although certain states are better than others, I think it's safe to say that it is rather a disguisiting majority of people who fail to stop the extremist racism that has swept through Europe as immigrants are arriving from all over the world. These racist extremists group, usually clothe themselves with the banner of Christianity.

Much like in the United States, where a wave of Baptist, Evangelical christians have been becoming more and more predominant. Christianity is still a strong force to be reckoned with in the United States, although the country boasts itself to be secular, it is sadly more Christian than many other states that do not particularly boast it.

These extremists who clothe themselves in the banner of Islam, are not true believers, they have been fed lies by the Imams serving political gains and ideologies. They are fools for believing what they have been told.

Thus, I think that the extremists shouting that the Pope (who was an absolute ignorant bastard) should be killed, is impossible to really monitor or have the police force investigate. It is upto the state now more than ever to try to embrace and reach the community and attempt to seek help from Imams who can stop young muslims from comitting themselves to a stupid cause they feel just.

[cap'n queasy]

How come every time some Muslim calls for the murder of someone it becomes an excuse for an anti-Christian diatribe, and at the same time a call for the embracing of Muslims?

[mendosan]

cap'n queasy wrote: How come every time some Muslim calls for the murder of someone it becomes an excuse for an anti-Christian diatribe, and at the same time a call for the embracing of Muslims?

I don't know, whilst not a Christian myself I do find it disturbing, but don't take the bate, my Christian friend.

[b.scheller]

I think it actually becomes quite the opposite, many will find this as a justiification for their continued Islamophobia, rather than trying to meet and extand a hand of friendship to the Islamic community.

[ubikk]

Well killing the Pope will definitely solve the problem. And prove once and for all that Islam is not violent...

:roll:

[AKAMad]

The Pope must Die is a good film.

[Norbert]

Why!!! Why is it EVERY TIME Mohammed is even MENTIONED, someone dies! irritating in the extreme! And shouldn't Muslims attempt 2 prove they are a religion of peace by saying "It's OK that u have ur opinion;we would appreciate it if u didn't make what we consider 2 be insulting remarks about r prophet." As far as Im concerned, the burden of proof is on them now...

[NAB]

thundertaker wrote: When it comes to Islamic extremists, this picture always amuses me:



As for Cherie, I'm sort of glad she did get a visit from the fuzz. It's about time members of the PC New Labour establishment felt the sharp end of insane political correctness, maybe it will eventually stir them to do something about it....

Second runner up from the same protest I believe.



One can only hope the creator of that sign was going for hyperbole, but for some reason I doubt it. :?

[Ra]

Woah,
The sign saying "behead those who say Islam is violent" is just brilliant. I mean they're angry about what they percieve as an insult and there they go proving it. Then we have "freedom go to hell". Well in honesty if they hate the freedom they have to engage in that demonstration of grand stupidity and contradiction then perhaps they should just p*** off to Iran and be done with it. Also allthough they are by now far too incesned to hear reason the pope was simply quoting someone elses words.
Anyhu there it is my 2 cents worth

[philm]

while raised a catholic, I have been lapsed for many years now, but I believe that quoting the words of a 14th-15th century Byzantine Emperor (who wrote in a theological debate with a neighbouring muslim potentate) should never be the source of so much anger.
The Pope was simply trying to start a debate on the nature of faith and religion in an increasingly extremist world.
I detest the doctrine of papal infalability, feeling it is a hangover from the political absoulatism that the Western world has worked hard to free itself from.
But for the Pope to eagerly surrender this, in an abject-AND UNNECESSARY-apology, for an "offence" as slight as quoting a midieval text smacks of moral cowardice.
In times such as these there can be no appeasement of extremism or fanaticism(from whatever religion or denomination). The threats of voilence and effigy burning only serve to highlight the need for the debate the Pope tried to initiate. I can only sigh my disappointment that yet another Western figurehead has bowed to threats of voilence from a part of the world that has positively midieval attitudes.

[slitedeviance]

philm wrote: But for the Pope to eagerly surrender this, in an abject-AND UNNECESSARY-apology, for an "offence" as slight as quoting a midieval text smacks of moral cowardice.

The pope didn't apologise for making the remarks. He apologised for the offence they might have caused. I fail to see the moral cowardice in this unless you're stating that he intended to cause offence.