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[superskippy]

Quote: Israel has been killing in the name of the security of the Israeli people for decades and look where we are today....ten steps behind where you were in 1967. Your approach has gotten you nowhere yet you insist on doing the same thing you have been doing year after year while expecting a different result.

We are infinitely better off then we were in 1967, much is made today of the violence between us and the Palestinians, but it simply cannot compare to what it was. It took decades of quite frankly following them and beating them down to end the real armed threat. In the 60's, 70's, and 80's, we faced a PLO and Palestinian threat capable of carrying out international terrorism on a mass scale, had armed troops in the field launching constant cross border raids and now infamous massacres inside Israel. For Christ sake in Lebanon they had an army prepared in Brigade format.

It took decades of fighting, the raids into Jordan to disrupt their bases and finally the Jordanian move to quash them completely. The battles in the south in the Sinai and the cross border raids from there until the Egyptians made a real effort to clamp down. Then we spent years absorbing their attacks and striking at their bases and sending agents abroad to deal with them. Finally culminating in the final destruction of the Palestinians real armed strength. Say what you will about Lebanon, but the PLO met it's end as a major armed force in the ruins of Beirut. Our policies have made Israel safer, they have made Jews around the world safer as we effectively ended the Palestinian international terrorist attacks with our destruction of many of their cells.

Hell it took a few decades and we had kill a few thousand PLO militants and have them evicted from every nation around Israel and destroy their officer cadre but 5 years after Lebanon and a few months after we killed their 2nd in command, they accepted our existance and the peace process, it took a while but we neutered them.

The problam is now not the PLO or their other armed groups and private armies which have been the largest danger we have faced from the Palestinians, but now it has come in the form of terrorist groups and splinter militant groups. They do not have has much power and cannot do as much damage, but they are harder to destroy, we are not wholly safe yet and I doubt we will ever be. However that doesnt mean we will stop, everything takes time and I am confident that we can win out in the end.

[the sane voice]

fiction416 wrote: the sane voice wrote: The Comrade wrote: the sane voice wrote: i hear claims saying terrorist are doing what they do because of israeli agression.
watch this vidoes and decide for yourself.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqIIxn-hMBE&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3ImrQDGAjQ&mode=related&search=

www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0BiwanZgPM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igka8zNrUGQ&mode=related&search=


most extremists and radicals like to alternate their hate between jews and israelis. it seems like the two have become the same to them.
the point is that people like fiction blame israel for what is happening disregarding what those terrorists are saying.they want a whole muslim world.




In certian instances with Israel, I do beleive that Israel is in the wrong & that they need to change their policies in the region, but I don't want to get off topic & too general about such wide ranging issues.

israel needs to change its policies?after terrorists are saying thy want to occupy it?i get it-they should give them israel on a silver platter.

[SpartanPhalanx]

programmusic wrote: so yknow, the mufti of jerusalem was a nazi, before the creation of Israel, and the Israel was attacked by a multitude of arab countries before the creation of the settlements.


Who cares abou the stupid Mufti of Jerusalem fer cryin out loud. Furthermore he was photographed with some Nazis, So was Prince Philip of England who was also pictured at a Nazi funeral in 1937....sat next to Nazis. I guess that makes the Royal Family Nazis too ... right ?

Much the same as nobody really cares about Zionist groups such as the Lehi .... only they went a little further. The Lehi proposed intervening in the Second World War on the side of Nazi Germany to attain their help in expelling Britain from Mandate Palestine and to offer their assistance in "evacuating" the Jews of Europe arguing that "common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO (Lehi)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_%28group%29

So what's your point?

[programmusic]

no, the mufti wasn't just photographed with nazis. he WAS a nazi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d51poygEXYU

Lehi believed they would work with Germany to bring Eruopean jews to Israel. They didn't know that the Nazis had a far more sinister motive.

[superskippy]

Quote: Who cares abou the stupid Mufti of Jerusalem fer cryin out loud. Furthermore he was photographed with some Nazis, So was Prince Philip of England who was also pictured at a Nazi funeral in 1937....sat next to Nazis. I guess that makes the Royal Family Nazis too ... right ?

For crying out loud, the man went to Nazi Germany and organized Arab SS units, he tried to import chemical weapons to attack the Jewish community with in Israel, he met personally with Himmler and Hitler. He was an avowed supporter of the Nazi's and not only gave them Arab SS troops but he met to plan out what would happen when the Nazi's rolled into Palestine.

Quote: Much the same as nobody really cares about Zionist groups such as the Lehi .... only they went a little further.

A little further? What the f**k man? The Grand Mufti organized thousands of Muslim of Waffen SS troops to serve Nazi Germany, he called a Fatwa against the United Kingdom and called to arms in favor of Nazi Germany, he supported vigerously the Nazi regime and met personally and talked personally with Himmler and Heydrich all the way up to Hitler who recieved him warmly.

The Nazi's confessed at Nuremburg that the Mufti himself had been a party to the Holocaust and as Adolf Eichmann's deputy Dieter Wisliceny said Quote: "The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan... He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chambers of Auschwitz."

The man intervined to try and stop the exchange of Jewish prisoners from the camps during the Red Cross negotiations for christ sake.

He was a criminal and has so much blood on his hands mixed with the sins of the Nazi's. If hell exists he is down there with his Nazi friends whom he grew so close to.

[SpartanPhalanx]

Quote: A little further? What the f**k man? The Grand Mufti organized thousands of Muslim of Waffen SS troops to serve Nazi Germany, he called a Fatwa against the United Kingdom and called to arms in favor of Nazi Germany, he supported vigerously the Nazi regime and met personally and talked personally with Himmler and Heydrich all the way up to Hitler who recieved him warmly.

The Nazi's confessed at Nuremburg that the Mufti himself had been a party to the Holocaust and as Adolf Eichmann's deputy Dieter Wisliceny said


Sorry Skip, you are right.

[superskippy]

I know you dont support him or beleive in any of his views. It was just a shocking statement is all, no harm done now that it's cleared out. I just couldnt beleive you would hold the Mufti in such moderate terms.

[Saracen]

SpartanPhalanx wrote: the sane voice wrote: fiction416 wrote: LOL - so what?


what does any of that prove?

EXPLAIN YOURSELF>?




:lol: you just being quoted saying you justify those terrorist actions-its the result of israeli aggression.or you are being miss understood?
give me a break.stop embarrassing yourself.


Sane voice,

And just what has Israel accomplished apart from proving itself to be the arch-terrorist of them all during last months aggression?

fiction already said quite plainly that he doesn't support the killing of innocents by anyone. I would take that to mean anyone including the thousands of Lebanese and Palestinian victims Israel has created and continues to create as we speak. I am sorry, but that is quite plain to me. Your posting of videos exposes nothing. Palestinians have been living under the Jackboot of Israeli control and suffocation for decades. Of course the repercussions of these crimes are bound to come out in the psychological make-up of the general population. Thats a no-brainer. If your father, brother, uncle and niece have been killed or brutalized by Israel, how would YOU feel toward those who did it?

If Israel is genuinely concerned about the safety of its citizens, why then does it see fit to sow the seeds of more terror and more hatred and more violence by killing and maiming both in Lebanon and in Gaza at such obscene levels?

Israel has been killing in the name of the security of the Israeli people for decades and look where we are today....ten steps behind where you were in 1967. Your approach has gotten you nowhere yet you insist on doing the same thing you have been doing year after year while expecting a different result.

There is truly something sick in the Israeli collective psyche, there is a psychological term for that I am sure ...

Another thing: the videos are just incidents. I can say the same for Israel, which is rife with anti-Arabs and anti-Muslims, though not all of them. I know that there are a lot of good Israelis like those who frequent these forums who want peace and are not racist. Likewise, I know a LOT of Arabs who are not at all anti-Semitic and acknowledge that Jews like us are a pious people, but in the end, we're all human. I can't stress myself further.

[the sane voice]

those incidients are from palestininan t.v