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[the sane voice]

fiction416 wrote:
LOL - OK dude, you are the one who made this about me by quoting unrelated quotes from other threads, of mine - you singled me out.... & now you are blaming me for taking this off topic when you are the one who brought all the off-topic quotes into this thread


you are a joker
what nurve!you ask me to show and to prove my point then you blame me for doing it???so you want me to explain?you dont want me to explain?you do want me to explain?ho wait! you dont?how stupid are you?

[fiction416]

the sane voice wrote:
what nurve!you ask me to show and to prove my point then you blame me for doing it???so you want me to explain?you dont want me to explain?you do want me to explain?ho wait! you dont?how stupid are you?

[the sane voice]

fiction416 wrote: the sane voice wrote:
what nurve!you ask me to show and to prove my point then you blame me for doing it???so you want me to explain?you dont want me to explain?you do want me to explain?ho wait! you dont?how stupid are you?


how this has got anything to do with the topic?
do you delibertly destroy every thread i open?

[programmusic]

just ignore him

[fiction416]

the sane voice wrote: fiction416 wrote: the sane voice wrote:
what nurve!you ask me to show and to prove my point then you blame me for doing it???so you want me to explain?you dont want me to explain?you do want me to explain?ho wait! you dont?how stupid are you?


how this has got anything to do with the topic?
do you delibertly destroy every thread i open?


No. My point in posting that pic was; that you destroyed the topic, and have been chasing yourself in circles.

[programmusic]

anyway, the mufti of jerusalem was a nazi before their was a state of Israel.

[the sane voice]

programmusic wrote: just ignore him
well its a catch 22.if you ignore him he wont stop crying.
if you dont he still bug you and cry.


here is another video about anti-semi in islamic world


www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxewZ9uTrQ&mode=related&search=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxewZ9uTrQ&mode=related&search=

[SpartanPhalanx]

fiction416 wrote: the sane voice wrote: fiction416 wrote: the sane voice wrote:
what nurve!you ask me to show and to prove my point then you blame me for doing it???so you want me to explain?you dont want me to explain?you do want me to explain?ho wait! you dont?how stupid are you?


how this has got anything to do with the topic?
do you delibertly destroy every thread i open?


No. My point in posting that pic was; that you destroyed the topic, and have been chasing yourself in circles.

:-D

[the sane voice]

SpartanPhalanx wrote: fiction416 wrote: the sane voice wrote: fiction416 wrote: the sane voice wrote:
what nurve!you ask me to show and to prove my point then you blame me for doing it???so you want me to explain?you dont want me to explain?you do want me to explain?ho wait! you dont?how stupid are you?


how this has got anything to do with the topic?
do you delibertly destroy every thread i open?


No. My point in posting that pic was; that you destroyed the topic, and have been chasing yourself in circles.

:-D
this is sad-instead of helping either fiction or me to destroy this topic you could adress the thread subject.but there is no age limits here.so i guess i will have to accept this stupid responses.

[programmusic]

so yknow, the mufti of jerusalem was a nazi, before the creation of Israel, and the Israel was attacked by a multitude of arab countries before the creation of the settlements.

[fiction416]

programmusic wrote: so yknow, the mufti of jerusalem was a nazi, before the creation of Israel, and the Israel was attacked by a multitude of arab countries before the creation of the settlements.


yeah, and Jews were some of teh first terrorists in the region - do you really want to dig up the ugly past?

both sides have plenty of blood on their hands, the jews are far from righteous.

[the sane voice]

programmusic wrote: so yknow, the mufti of jerusalem was a nazi, before the creation of Israel, and the Israel was attacked by a multitude of arab countries before the creation of the settlements.
not only he was a nazi he collaborated with them on killing jews!

[programmusic]

fiction416 wrote: the jews are far from righteous.

you mean the israelis, right? no wait, the zionists?

[fiction416]

programmusic wrote: fiction416 wrote: the jews are far from righteous.

you mean the israelis, right? no wait, the zionists?


No, in this case I meant jews, as I was speaking of the time before the creation of Israel. But after Israel was established, then yes, I would include Israeli's.

[the sane voice]

programmusic wrote: fiction416 wrote: the jews are far from righteous.

you mean the israelis, right? no wait, the zionists?
ho you are right-after all nazis arent germans you should seperate them.
i guess on jews its just doesnt work.they are all the same those f***ing jews :evil:

[The Comrade]

the sane voice wrote: i hear claims saying terrorist are doing what they do because of israeli agression.
watch this vidoes and decide for yourself.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqIIxn-hMBE&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3ImrQDGAjQ&mode=related&search=

www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0BiwanZgPM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igka8zNrUGQ&mode=related&search=


most extremists and radicals like to alternate their hate between jews and israelis. it seems like the two have become the same to them.

[the sane voice]

fiction416 wrote: programmusic wrote: fiction416 wrote: the jews are far from righteous.

you mean the israelis, right? no wait, the zionists?


No, in this case I meant jews, as I was speaking of the time before the creation of Israel. But after Israel was established, then yes, I would include Israeli's.
hu so zionist came after israel was established.....right.....

[the sane voice]

The Comrade wrote: the sane voice wrote: i hear claims saying terrorist are doing what they do because of israeli agression.
watch this vidoes and decide for yourself.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqIIxn-hMBE&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3ImrQDGAjQ&mode=related&search=

www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0BiwanZgPM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igka8zNrUGQ&mode=related&search=


most extremists and radicals like to alternate their hate between jews and israelis. it seems like the two have become the same to them.
the point is that people like fiction blame israel for what is happening disregarding what those terrorists are saying.they want a whole muslim world.

[fiction416]

the sane voice wrote: The Comrade wrote: the sane voice wrote: i hear claims saying terrorist are doing what they do because of israeli agression.
watch this vidoes and decide for yourself.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqIIxn-hMBE&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3ImrQDGAjQ&mode=related&search=

www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0BiwanZgPM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igka8zNrUGQ&mode=related&search=


most extremists and radicals like to alternate their hate between jews and israelis. it seems like the two have become the same to them.
the point is that people like fiction blame israel for what is happening disregarding what those terrorists are saying.they want a whole muslim world.


To clarify what you are saying for me; Basically, I understand why the terrorists are saying what they are saying when it comes to Israel & the US. That doesn't mean I agree with it whatsoever. Nor does it mean that I support it. It just means that I am aware & cognisant of their POV & that to 'them' it is a valid POV.

In certian instances with Israel, I do beleive that Israel is in the wrong & that they need to change their policies in the region, but I don't want to get off topic & too general about such wide ranging issues.

I believe that people are responsible for their actions - I have said this with consistency & have supported it as such.

[programmusic]

MYTH

“Modern Arab nations are only anti-Israel and have never been anti-Jewish.”
FACT

Arab leaders have repeatedly made clear their animosity toward Jews and Judaism. For example, on November 23, 1937, Saudi Arabia's King Ibn Saud told British Colonel H.R.P. Dickson: "Our hatred for the Jews dates from God's condemnation of them for their persecution and rejection of Isa (Jesus) and their subsequent rejection of His chosen Prophet." He added "that for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty."3

When Hitler introduced the Nuremberg racial laws in 1935, he received telegrams of congratulation from all corners of the Arab world.4 Later, during the war, one of his most ardent supporters was the Mufti of Jerusalem.

Jews were never permitted to live in Jordan. Civil Law No. 6, which governed the Jordanian-occupied West Bank, states explicitly: "Any man will be a Jordanian subject if he is not Jewish."5

The Arab countries see to it that even young schoolchildren are taught to hate Jews. The Syrian Minister of Education wrote in 1968: "The hatred which we indoctrinate into the minds of our children from their birth is sacred."6

After the Six-Day War in 1967, the Israelis found public school textbooks that had been used to educate Arab children in the West Bank. They were replete with racist and hateful portrayals of Jews:

"The Jews are scattered to the ends of the earth, where they live exiled and despised, since by their nature they are vile, greedy and enemies of mankind, by their nature they were tempted to steal a land as asylum for their disgrace."7

"Analyze the following sentences:

1. The merchant himself traveled to the African continent.

2. We shall expel all the Jews from the Arab countries."8

"The Jews of our time are the descendants of the Jews who harmed the Prophet Muhammad. They betrayed him, they broke the treaty with him and joined sides with his enemies to fight him..."9

"The Jews in Europe were persecuted and despised because of their corruption, meanness and treachery."10

A 1977 Jordanian teachers' manual for first-graders used on the West Bank instructs educators to "implant in the soul of the pupil the rule of Islam that if the enemies occupy even one inch of the Islamic lands, jihad (holy war) becomes imperative for every Muslim." It also says the Jews plotted to assassinate Muhammad when he was a child. Another Jordanian text, a 1982 social studies book, claims Israel ordered the massacre of Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila during the Lebanon war, but does not mention the Christian Arabs who were the perpetrators.11

“We have found books with passages that are so anti-Semitic, that if they were published in Europe, their publishers would be brought up on anti-racism charges.”

— French lawyer and European Parliament member Francois Zimeray
commenting on Palestinian, Syrian and Egyptian texts
Jerusalem Post, (October 16, 2001).

According to a study of Syrian textbooks, "the Syrian educational system expands hatred of Israel and Zionism to anti-Semitism directed at all Jews. That anti-Semitism evokes ancient Islamic motifs to describe the unchangeable and treacherous nature of the Jews. Its inevitable conclusion is that all Jews must be annihilated."12 To cite one example, an eleventh grade textbook claims that Jews hated Muslims and were driven by envy to incite hostility against them:

The Jews spare no effort to deceive us, deny our Prophet, incite against us, and distort the holy scriptures.

The Jews cooperate with the Polytheist and the infidels against the Muslims because they know Islam reveals their crafty ways and abject characteristics.13

An Arabic translation of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf has been distributed in East Jerusalem and territories controlled by the Palestinian Authority (PA) and became a bestseller.14

Occasionally, Arab anti-Semitism surfaces at the United Nations. In March 1991, for example, a Syrian delegate to the UN Human Rights Commission read a statement recommending that commission members read "a valuable book" called The Matzoh of Zion, written by Syrian Defense Minister Mustafa Tlas. The book justifies ritual murder charges brought against the Jews in the Damascus blood libel of 1840.15 (The phrase "blood libel" refers to accusations that Jews kill Christian children to use their blood for the ritual of making matzoh at Passover.)

King Faisal of Saudi Arabia uttered a similar slander in a 1972 interview:

Israel has had malicious intentions since ancient times. Its objective is the destruction of all other religions....They regard the other religions as lower than their own and other peoples as inferior to their level. And on the subject of vengeance — they have a certain day on which they mix the blood of non-Jews into their bread and eat it. It happened that two years ago, while I was in Paris on a visit, that the police discovered five murdered children. Their blood had been drained, and it turned out that some Jews had murdered them in order to take their blood and mix it with the bread that they eat on this day. This shows you what is the extent of their hatred and malice toward non-Jewish peoples.16

On November 11, 1999, during a Gaza appearance with First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, Suha Arafat, wife of Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat stated: "Our people have been subjected to the daily and extensive use of poisonous gas by the Israeli forces, which has led to an increase in cancer cases among women and children." Similar specious allegations have been made by other Palestinian officials.17

The Arab/Muslim press, which is almost exclusively controlled by the governments in each Middle Eastern nation, regularly publish anti-Semitic articles and cartoons. Today, it remains common to find anti-Semitic publications in Egypt. For example, the establishment Al-Ahram newspaper published an article giving the "historical" background of the blood libel tradition while accusing Israel of using the blood of Palestinian children to bake matzohs up to the present time.18 Anti-Semitic articles also regularly appear in the press in Jordan and Syria. Many of the attacks deal with denial of the Holocaust, its "exploitation" by Zionism, and a comparison of Zionism and Israel to Nazism.


Egyptian Daily Al-Ahram, (May 23, 1998)

In November 2001, a satirical skit aired on the second most popular television station in the Arab world, which depicted a character meant to be Ariel Sharon drinking the blood of Arab children as a grotesque-looking Orthodox Jew looked on. Abu Dhabi Television also aired a skit in which Dracula appears to take a bite out of Sharon, but dies because Sharon's blood is polluted. Protests that these shows were anti-Semitic were ignored by the network.19

The Palestinian Authority's media have also contained inflammatory and anti-Semitic material. A Friday sermon in the Zayed bin Sultan Aal Nahyan mosque in Gaza calling for the murder of Jews and Americans was broadcast live on the official Palestinian Authority television:

Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them and those who stand by them they are all in one trench, against the Arabs and the Muslims because they established Israel here, in the beating heart of the Arab world, in Palestine.... 20

Even Palestinian crossword puzzles are used to delegitimize Israel and attack Jews, providing clues, for example, suggesting the Jewish trait is "treachery."21



“Syrian President Bashar Assad on Saturday [May 5] offered a vivid, if vile, demonstration of why he and his government are unworthy of respect or good relations with the United States or any other democratic country. Greeting Pope John Paul II in Damascus, Mr. Assad launched an attack on Jews that may rank as the most ignorant and crude speech delivered before the pope in his two decades of travel around the world. Comparing the suffering of the Palestinians to that of Jesus Christ, Mr. Assad said that the Jews ‘tried to kill the principles of all religions with the same mentality in which they betrayed Jesus Christ and the same way they tried to betray and kill the Prophet Muhammad.’ With that libel, the Syrian president stained both his country and the pope....”

— Washington Post editorial, (May 8, 2001)