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[The Central Scrutinizer]

el_hombre_de_Dios wrote: ieatfood wrote: el_hombre_de_Dios wrote: ieatfood wrote: Look, this is ridiculous.

The world is filled with all sorts of bad influences. It is up to the parents to shield their kids from them.

Steve Irwin wrestled with crocs. So if some dumb kid goes out to the wilderness trying to wrestle a croc and he gets killed, you gonna blame Steve? Gimme a break.

In any case, these are isolated incidents. Not really a big deal. Random violence happens every day . Who cares? What's more troubling is that our kids can't read, write, do math, or understand science. That's the real scary part.

What is ridiculous is that you cannot recognise incidents like this are blatant symptoms of a society in spiritual crisis. It bespeaks of a stark fact: how much we've lost touch with who we really are as human beings. Spiritual people know by experience: you become what you eat, across the board, whether it be dinner on the table or an afternoon movie. garbage in, garbage out. You become what you feed yourself with.

If you believe otherwise then your twenty years behind the times. Psychology used to believe such silly things as we were not strongly influenced by what goes on around us in our environment. Now study after study shows just the opposite.

In the more modern culture however, political correctness and multiculturalism is a fools logic to justify moral relativism. The latter is a false absolute.

Moreovr, these things did not happen before 20-30years ago. People who did commit mass shootings almost always suffered from some pathology. But now children with no pathology are doing these things. Of course this begs the question, why? Simple, the pathology is in our culture.

You are what you eat?? Can you be any more cliche? School shootings are examples of random violence. Happen all the time. Fact is you don't look at isolated incidents. You look at trends. Fact is, violent crime has decreased tremendously in the US. That shows the society is becoming more peaceful, not less.

Point is, you are taking a very very small part of society (school shootings) and you are exploiting that to portray society in a falsely negative light. A school shooting tells us something about a single kid. It tells us nothing about society. If you look at society as a whole--things are far better than they were 20 years ago. Looking around me, I see improvement everywhere. People are safer, wealthier, healthier than before. You don't look at isolated examples--you look at statistics...lower crime rates, higher incomes, higher life expectancies.

You are trying to use exceptions to prove the rule, in order to justify a return to an defunct culture that people no longer want to embrace. Nice try.

Personally, these school shootings are overhypped. What percentage of AMerican children shoot up schools? 0.0001%? It's so rare, it's not even worth mentioning. But because people love a good story, it sells newspapers.

Vilolence is down because we are putting criminals in jails and prisons for much longer periods (thanks to conservative judges..btw, it was the people who demanded this.. see democracy does work..sometimes). But at the same time we've putting progressively more and more people per capita people behind bars. Why? Need I answer.

And schools shootings are 'random?!?!?' :rotf: Er..um ah..Colombine was planned. The latest in Canada was planned. There was nothing 'random' about them except the choice of the shooters victims. And I wonder if you would have the courage to repeat what you said in the presence of people who have experienced the horror of these tragedies, especialy the parents who have lost a son or a daughter. First I seriously doubt you would be able to; and if you did $5 will get you $10 you most likely would have some teeth missing afterward :lol:

I'm far too lazy to actually refute what you are claiming, so I'll just highlight the part of ieatfood's post you clearly skimmed over and ask you to read it again. Because it's true.

So how long would you say that this cancerous cultural individualism has been infecting our society and warping our values?

[el_hombre_de_Dios]

The Central Scrutinizer wrote: el_hombre_de_Dios wrote: ieatfood wrote: el_hombre_de_Dios wrote: ieatfood wrote: Look, this is ridiculous.

The world is filled with all sorts of bad influences. It is up to the parents to shield their kids from them.

Steve Irwin wrestled with crocs. So if some dumb kid goes out to the wilderness trying to wrestle a croc and he gets killed, you gonna blame Steve? Gimme a break.

In any case, these are isolated incidents. Not really a big deal. Random violence happens every day . Who cares? What's more troubling is that our kids can't read, write, do math, or understand science. That's the real scary part.

What is ridiculous is that you cannot recognise incidents like this are blatant symptoms of a society in spiritual crisis. It bespeaks of a stark fact: how much we've lost touch with who we really are as human beings. Spiritual people know by experience: you become what you eat, across the board, whether it be dinner on the table or an afternoon movie. garbage in, garbage out. You become what you feed yourself with.

If you believe otherwise then your twenty years behind the times. Psychology used to believe such silly things as we were not strongly influenced by what goes on around us in our environment. Now study after study shows just the opposite.

In the more modern culture however, political correctness and multiculturalism is a fools logic to justify moral relativism. The latter is a false absolute.

Moreovr, these things did not happen before 20-30years ago. People who did commit mass shootings almost always suffered from some pathology. But now children with no pathology are doing these things. Of course this begs the question, why? Simple, the pathology is in our culture.

You are what you eat?? Can you be any more cliche? School shootings are examples of random violence. Happen all the time. Fact is you don't look at isolated incidents. You look at trends. Fact is, violent crime has decreased tremendously in the US. That shows the society is becoming more peaceful, not less.

Point is, you are taking a very very small part of society (school shootings) and you are exploiting that to portray society in a falsely negative light. A school shooting tells us something about a single kid. It tells us nothing about society. If you look at society as a whole--things are far better than they were 20 years ago. Looking around me, I see improvement everywhere. People are safer, wealthier, healthier than before. You don't look at isolated examples--you look at statistics...lower crime rates, higher incomes, higher life expectancies.

You are trying to use exceptions to prove the rule, in order to justify a return to an defunct culture that people no longer want to embrace. Nice try.

Personally, these school shootings are overhypped. What percentage of AMerican children shoot up schools? 0.0001%? It's so rare, it's not even worth mentioning. But because people love a good story, it sells newspapers.

Vilolence is down because we are putting criminals in jails and prisons for much longer periods (thanks to conservative judges..btw, it was the people who demanded this.. see democracy does work..sometimes). But at the same time we've putting progressively more and more people per capita people behind bars. Why? Need I answer.

And schools shootings are 'random?!?!?' :rotf: Er..um ah..Colombine was planned. The latest in Canada was planned. There was nothing 'random' about them except the choice of the shooters victims. And I wonder if you would have the courage to repeat what you said in the presence of people who have experienced the horror of these tragedies, especialy the parents who have lost a son or a daughter. First I seriously doubt you would be able to; and if you did $5 will get you $10 you most likely would have some teeth missing afterward :lol:

I'm far too lazy to actually refute what you are claiming, so I'll just highlight the part of ieatfood's post you clearly skimmed over and ask you to read it again. Because it's true.

So how long would you say that this cancerous cultural individualism has been infecting our society and warping our values?

So anyone trying to refute anything you believe would be pointless then, wouldn't it?.... :lol:

[The Central Scrutinizer]

el_hombre_de_Dios wrote: The Central Scrutinizer wrote: el_hombre_de_Dios wrote: ieatfood wrote: el_hombre_de_Dios wrote: ieatfood wrote: Look, this is ridiculous.

The world is filled with all sorts of bad influences. It is up to the parents to shield their kids from them.

Steve Irwin wrestled with crocs. So if some dumb kid goes out to the wilderness trying to wrestle a croc and he gets killed, you gonna blame Steve? Gimme a break.

In any case, these are isolated incidents. Not really a big deal. Random violence happens every day . Who cares? What's more troubling is that our kids can't read, write, do math, or understand science. That's the real scary part.

What is ridiculous is that you cannot recognise incidents like this are blatant symptoms of a society in spiritual crisis. It bespeaks of a stark fact: how much we've lost touch with who we really are as human beings. Spiritual people know by experience: you become what you eat, across the board, whether it be dinner on the table or an afternoon movie. garbage in, garbage out. You become what you feed yourself with.

If you believe otherwise then your twenty years behind the times. Psychology used to believe such silly things as we were not strongly influenced by what goes on around us in our environment. Now study after study shows just the opposite.

In the more modern culture however, political correctness and multiculturalism is a fools logic to justify moral relativism. The latter is a false absolute.

Moreovr, these things did not happen before 20-30years ago. People who did commit mass shootings almost always suffered from some pathology. But now children with no pathology are doing these things. Of course this begs the question, why? Simple, the pathology is in our culture.

You are what you eat?? Can you be any more cliche? School shootings are examples of random violence. Happen all the time. Fact is you don't look at isolated incidents. You look at trends. Fact is, violent crime has decreased tremendously in the US. That shows the society is becoming more peaceful, not less.

Point is, you are taking a very very small part of society (school shootings) and you are exploiting that to portray society in a falsely negative light. A school shooting tells us something about a single kid. It tells us nothing about society. If you look at society as a whole--things are far better than they were 20 years ago. Looking around me, I see improvement everywhere. People are safer, wealthier, healthier than before. You don't look at isolated examples--you look at statistics...lower crime rates, higher incomes, higher life expectancies.

You are trying to use exceptions to prove the rule, in order to justify a return to an defunct culture that people no longer want to embrace. Nice try.

Personally, these school shootings are overhypped. What percentage of AMerican children shoot up schools? 0.0001%? It's so rare, it's not even worth mentioning. But because people love a good story, it sells newspapers.

Vilolence is down because we are putting criminals in jails and prisons for much longer periods (thanks to conservative judges..btw, it was the people who demanded this.. see democracy does work..sometimes). But at the same time we've putting progressively more and more people per capita people behind bars. Why? Need I answer.

And schools shootings are 'random?!?!?' :rotf: Er..um ah..Colombine was planned. The latest in Canada was planned. There was nothing 'random' about them except the choice of the shooters victims. And I wonder if you would have the courage to repeat what you said in the presence of people who have experienced the horror of these tragedies, especialy the parents who have lost a son or a daughter. First I seriously doubt you would be able to; and if you did $5 will get you $10 you most likely would have some teeth missing afterward :lol:

I'm far too lazy to actually refute what you are claiming, so I'll just highlight the part of ieatfood's post you clearly skimmed over and ask you to read it again. Because it's true.

So how long would you say that this cancerous cultural individualism has been infecting our society and warping our values?

So anyone trying to refute anything you believe would be pointless then, wouldn't it?.... :lol:

No, I just have better things to do than reiterate a point that you have clearly ignored--that school shootings, while terribly sensational, are quite rare, even in comparison to history, when you consider a) the number of kids in school b) the prevalence of guns in society and c) the number of kids now that are forced to go to school when 40 years ago their absence would have been overlooked.

Quote: But what this points to is a disease within our society. We used to think that it took a whole village to raise our children. That each adult was also collectively responsible for socializing the villages young. Now if someone mentions to a brat that they are misbehaving it's not 'politically correct to push ones morals onto another; even if that 'other' is a misbehaving child.

Short and sweet: we are losing it. We have allowed a dehumanizing culture to redefine who and what we are. And until we take control and put more limits on what we allow our children to view and learn from we can expect more of the same.

So again I ask--how long do you suppose our society has been suffering from this nebulous "disease"? How long has it been since this problem emerged?

How is the culture dehumanized?