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[Malcolm Kyle]

What about the children?

Prohibition glamorizes drugs and encourages children to experiment with them, as shown by recent statistics on adolescent drug use. The "forbidden fruit" phenomenon makes some activities attractive to young people who are testing their limits. There are higher use rates among adolescents in the US where it is completely prohibited than in the Netherlands where things are somewhat more relaxed.

What kind of world are we making for our children: One full of prisons, secret police and repressive laws that tell them to spy on their own parents and family. Instead, let's build them a world that respects each individual while it teaches them to work together for the common good in the exercise of freedom.

[The Grandmaster]

Hmm. I agree completely. I have a feeling however, many others will not. Prepare for serious argument. Many people will never be happy until as many things are banned and as many people as possible are in jail. I don't know why. But yes, this seems very reasonable.

[Otacon]

We have better things to do than worry about some 17 year old smoking a joint. They take up space in prison that should be used for real criminals. We don't have enough room as it is for criminals, because they are clogged with minor offenders. :-|

[TheGirlNextDoor]

Malcolm Kyle wrote: What about the children?

Prohibition glamorizes drugs and encourages children to experiment with them, as shown by recent statistics on adolescent drug use. The "forbidden fruit" phenomenon makes some activities attractive to young people who are testing their limits. There are higher use rates among adolescents in the US where it is completely prohibited than in the Netherlands where things are somewhat more relaxed.

What kind of world are we making for our children: One full of prisons, secret police and repressive laws that tell them to spy on their own parents and family. Instead, let's build them a world that respects each individual while it teaches them to work together for the common good in the exercise of freedom.

The best thing a person can do for the children, is to be a good role model. Even IF all now illegal narcotics were legalized, if a child has a good role model (parents, grandparents, family/friends, etc...) then the chances of that child taking unnecessary chances with illicit drugs would be much less.

There are instances now in which not all kids are lured into drug use/abuse and or alcohol consumption... and I'm of the belief that the best deterrent is the direct involvement of parents and active, good role models.

[Quicksurf]

Malcolm Kyle wrote: What about the children?

Prohibition glamorizes drugs and encourages children to experiment with them, as shown by recent statistics on adolescent drug use.

Well, that would be great to know if you actually backed up your claim with facts.



Malcolm Kyle wrote: The "forbidden fruit" phenomenon makes some activities attractive to young people who are testing their limits. There are higher use rates among adolescents in the US where it is completely prohibited than in the Netherlands where things are somewhat more relaxed.

That's just a philosophy. The majority of kids don't want to get in trouble. That's just common sense, (I was a kid at one time).


Malcolm Kyle wrote: What kind of world are we making for our children: One full of prisons, secret police and repressive laws that tell them to spy on their own parents and family. Instead, let's build them a world that respects each individual while it teaches them to work together for the common good in the exercise of freedom.

What are you rambling on about? Earlier you said that kids want to try anything that's forbidden, and now you are saying that the government is scaring them.

There are other arguments against prohibition that are much better than this, but this has to be one of the worst that I've read so far.

[Quicksurf]

TheGirlNextDoor wrote: The best thing a person can do for the children, is to be a good role model. Even IF all now illegal narcotics were legalized, if a child has a good role model (parents, grandparents, family/friends, etc...) then the chances of that child taking unnecessary chances with illicit drugs would be much less.

Not really, since drug use among adults would sky rocket and kids would follow their parent's example.

TheGirlNextDoor wrote: There are instances now in which not all kids are lured into drug use/abuse and or alcohol consumption... and I'm of the belief that the best deterrent is the direct involvement of parents and active, good role models.

Yep, I agree.

:tu:

[TheGirlNextDoor]

Quicksurf wrote: TheGirlNextDoor wrote: The best thing a person can do for the children, is to be a good role model. Even IF all now illegal narcotics were legalized, if a child has a good role model (parents, grandparents, family/friends, etc...) then the chances of that child taking unnecessary chances with illicit drugs would be much less.

Not really, since drug use among adults would sky rocket and kids would follow their parent's example.

TheGirlNextDoor wrote: There are instances now in which not all kids are lured into drug use/abuse and or alcohol consumption... and I'm of the belief that the best deterrent is the direct involvement of parents and active, good role models.

Yep, I agree.

:tu:



Some drugs are illegal now and people still manage to get ahold of them. Do you honestly believe that the usage of such drugs would sky rocket.. in other words.. that people that before would never dream of taking drugs would suddenly be "lured" into partaking in such if those were made illegal? I don't.

Prohibition should have proved as much.

There are parents now that are doing illegal drugs (and abusing alcohol, I might add) and are horrible role models for their children. How would legalization make people any MORE irresponsible? Would the parents who are responsible non drug users NOW suddenly pick up a crack pipe and turn to a life of junkie-ism? I don't think so.

Regardless.... parents that are good role models (parents being only one example) as far as teaching their kids not to smoke cigarettes or to drink alcohol as minors... are doing a good job and *both* of those substances (both overly addicting physically AND mentally) are legal... so I guess I'm missing where you are coming from with the assertation that drug use among adults would skyrocket...?

[Fiduciary]

Malcolm Kyle wrote: What about the children?

Prohibition glamorizes drugs and encourages children to experiment with them, as shown by recent statistics on adolescent drug use. The "forbidden fruit" phenomenon makes some activities attractive to young people who are testing their limits. There are higher use rates among adolescents in the US where it is completely prohibited than in the Netherlands where things are somewhat more relaxed.

What kind of world are we making for our children: One full of prisons, secret police and repressive laws that tell them to spy on their own parents and family. Instead, let's build them a world that respects each individual while it teaches them to work together for the common good in the exercise of freedom.

I'm Confused, are you condoning drug usage for children??

[Fiduciary]

It's poor parenting to just say DON"T do it. Show your children WHY they shouldn't do drugs. Take them to soup kitchens, speeches by former addicts, Perhaps TV shows about people who had their lives stolen by drugs, and of course, Hug you kid and constantly show them you love them.

[Fiduciary]

It's poor parenting to just say DON"T do it. Show your children WHY they shouldn't do drugs. Take them to soup kitchens, speeches by former addicts, Perhaps TV shows about people who had their lives stolen by drugs, and of course, Hug you kid and constantly show them you love them.

[Otacon]

When prohibition started, the crime rate went through the roof. When it ended, crime rates went back down to normal. Legalizing drugs would assist in ending gang wars, etc.. Besides, we don't have enough space in our prison systems as it is for serious crimimals, instead we have alot of druggies who didn't do anything wrong.

[Green]

We should treat pot and other illegal drugs like narcotics, tax them, put warning labels on them, and sue the f**k out of a company that tries to advertise them.

[Otacon]

Green wrote: We should treat pot and other illegal drugs like narcotics, tax them, put warning labels on them, and sue the f**k out of a company that tries to advertise them.

That's a horrible idea. The last thing you should want is to tax something. Drugs should be legalized. Put warning labels on them and correct dosage amounts on the label, also, to avoid overdoses. If a company advertizes them, they should not get sued. They have every right to advertise their product without fear of lawsuit.

[Mare Tranquillity]

Quicksurf wrote: TheGirlNextDoor wrote: The best thing a person can do for the children, is to be a good role model. Even IF all now illegal narcotics were legalized, if a child has a good role model (parents, grandparents, family/friends, etc...) then the chances of that child taking unnecessary chances with illicit drugs would be much less.

Not really, since drug use among adults would sky rocket and kids would follow their parent's example.

"Well, that would be great to know if you actually backed up your claim with facts," Quicksurf.

You are refuting yourself, Mr. Surf.

[TheGirlNextDoor]

Fiduciary wrote: It's poor parenting to just say DON"T do it. Show your children WHY they shouldn't do drugs. Take them to soup kitchens, speeches by former addicts, Perhaps TV shows about people who had their lives stolen by drugs, and of course, Hug you kid and constantly show them you love them.

Well yes. I don't think anyone here so far has been stupid enough to buy into how "just say no" works.

I have two kids and I don't just tell them "just say no".... not all parents suck you know.

[The Comrade]

Malcolm Kyle wrote: What about the children?

Prohibition glamorizes drugs and encourages children to experiment with them, as shown by recent statistics on adolescent drug use. The "forbidden fruit" phenomenon makes some activities attractive to young people who are testing their limits. There are higher use rates among adolescents in the US where it is completely prohibited than in the Netherlands where things are somewhat more relaxed.

What kind of world are we making for our children: One full of prisons, secret police and repressive laws that tell them to spy on their own parents and family. Instead, let's build them a world that respects each individual while it teaches them to work together for the common good in the exercise of freedom.

why not teach them to respect eachother and work for the common good(communism) while keeping drugs illegal?


the opium war for instance was a case where legal drugs went way way way out of control.

[Green]

Fiduciary wrote: It's poor parenting to just say DON"T do it. Show your children WHY they shouldn't do drugs. Take them to soup kitchens, speeches by former addicts, Perhaps TV shows about people who had their lives stolen by drugs, and of course, Hug you kid and constantly show them you love them.

Or you could tell jokes about pot heads such as:

Q: Why do pot heads not buy lava lamps?

A: Lava lamps? That is what toasters are for. Toasters have more pretty bubbles.

Yea I know the joke s*cks

If you laugh at somthing, you will not use it.

[Quicksurf]

Otacon wrote: Green wrote: We should treat pot and other illegal drugs like narcotics, tax them, put warning labels on them, and sue the f**k out of a company that tries to advertise them.

That's a horrible idea. The last thing you should want is to tax something. Drugs should be legalized. Put warning labels on them and correct dosage amounts on the label, also, to avoid overdoses. If a company advertizes them, they should not get sued. They have every right to advertise their product without fear of lawsuit.

:lol:

Saying that crime went up due to the enactment of a new law, and therefore we should abolish the law is ludacris. Just because murder crimes have gone up since murder became a law, doesn't mean it shouldn't remain so.

Is this your philosophy for reducing crime? By getting rid of laws?

[cap'n queasy]

Otacon wrote: When prohibition started, the crime rate went through the roof. When it ended, crime rates went back down to normal. Legalizing drugs would assist in ending gang wars, etc.. Besides, we don't have enough space in our prison systems as it is for serious crimimals, instead we have alot of druggies who didn't do anything wrong.

Take them out and shoot them.

J/K

:lol:

[cap'n queasy]

Quicksurf wrote: Otacon wrote: Green wrote: We should treat pot and other illegal drugs like narcotics, tax them, put warning labels on them, and sue the f**k out of a company that tries to advertise them.

That's a horrible idea. The last thing you should want is to tax something. Drugs should be legalized. Put warning labels on them and correct dosage amounts on the label, also, to avoid overdoses. If a company advertizes them, they should not get sued. They have every right to advertise their product without fear of lawsuit.

:lol:

Saying that crime went up due to the enactment of a new law, and therefore we should abolish the law is ludacris. Just because murder crimes have gone up since murder became a law, doesn't mean it shouldn't remain so.

Is this your philosophy for reducing crime? By getting rid of laws?

Perhaps we should legalize murder and theft and those crimes will be reduced as well. :lol: