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cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Mare Tranquillity wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Why should tax dollars be wasted locking people up for doing something that enjoy/makes them feel good

You don't know it yet, but drug use inevitiably leads to three possible outcomes.

Death, Insanity, or Imprisonment.

That don't feel so good.

Twaddle, Cap'n, and you know it. Your sweeping generalization is completely unsupportable or you would have cited some sources.

I speak from personal experience, friend.

I could list several dozens of people I've seen with my own eyes that this has happened to, but it wouldn't do any good. I hope you see the light one of these days, but chances are that you will join them as addiction is almost impossible to beat.

Seen it too many times.

Good luck.

Shady · Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 7413 Location: VA

cap'n queasy wrote: Mare Tranquillity wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Why should tax dollars be wasted locking people up for doing something that enjoy/makes them feel good

You don't know it yet, but drug use inevitiably leads to three possible outcomes.

Death, Insanity, or Imprisonment.

That don't feel so good.

Twaddle, Cap'n, and you know it. Your sweeping generalization is completely unsupportable or you would have cited some sources.

I speak from personal experience, friend.

I could list several dozens of people I've seen with my own eyes that this has happened to, but it wouldn't do any good. I hope you see the light one of these days, but chances are that you will join them as addiction is almost impossible to beat.

Seen it too many times.

Good luck.

So you believe that you must force people to live? Interesting.

The Grandmaster · Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:46 am Post subject:

cap'n queasy wrote: Mare Tranquillity wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Why should tax dollars be wasted locking people up for doing something that enjoy/makes them feel good

You don't know it yet, but drug use inevitiably leads to three possible outcomes.

Death, Insanity, or Imprisonment.

That don't feel so good.

Twaddle, Cap'n, and you know it. Your sweeping generalization is completely unsupportable or you would have cited some sources.

I speak from personal experience, friend.

I could list several dozens of people I've seen with my own eyes that this has happened to, but it wouldn't do any good. I hope you see the light one of these days, but chances are that you will join them as addiction is almost impossible to beat.

Seen it too many times.

Good luck.

And I have seen people whom have done drugs and it has done nothing to their life except added entertainment and fun, and had no ill effects because they had the good sense and responsibility to use them reasonably.

What now?

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

The Grandmaster wrote: And I have seen people whom have done drugs and it has done nothing to their life except added entertainment and fun, and had no ill effects because they had the good sense and responsibility to use them reasonably.

What now?

those people are called minorities.

if drugs were so easy to get over(or non-addicting)you would have HBO specials on how people use them responsably and how great their lives are.

ieatfood · Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 6505

The Grandmaster wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Mare Tranquillity wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Why should tax dollars be wasted locking people up for doing something that enjoy/makes them feel good

You don't know it yet, but drug use inevitiably leads to three possible outcomes.

Death, Insanity, or Imprisonment.

That don't feel so good.

Twaddle, Cap'n, and you know it. Your sweeping generalization is completely unsupportable or you would have cited some sources.

I speak from personal experience, friend.

I could list several dozens of people I've seen with my own eyes that this has happened to, but it wouldn't do any good. I hope you see the light one of these days, but chances are that you will join them as addiction is almost impossible to beat.

Seen it too many times.

Good luck.

And I have seen people whom have done drugs and it has done nothing to their life except added entertainment and fun, and had no ill effects because they had the good sense and responsibility to use them reasonably.

What now?

And I have seen people whom have done drugs and it has completely destroyed their lives. What now?

So you think it's ok for more lives to be destroyed just as long as some people can have fun?

Shady · Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 7413 Location: VA

ieatfood wrote: The Grandmaster wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Mare Tranquillity wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Why should tax dollars be wasted locking people up for doing something that enjoy/makes them feel good

You don't know it yet, but drug use inevitiably leads to three possible outcomes.

Death, Insanity, or Imprisonment.

That don't feel so good.

Twaddle, Cap'n, and you know it. Your sweeping generalization is completely unsupportable or you would have cited some sources.

I speak from personal experience, friend.

I could list several dozens of people I've seen with my own eyes that this has happened to, but it wouldn't do any good. I hope you see the light one of these days, but chances are that you will join them as addiction is almost impossible to beat.

Seen it too many times.

Good luck.

And I have seen people whom have done drugs and it has done nothing to their life except added entertainment and fun, and had no ill effects because they had the good sense and responsibility to use them reasonably.

What now?

And I have seen people whom have done drugs and it has completely destroyed their lives. What now?

So you think it's ok for more lives to be destroyed just as long as some people can have fun?

You believe YOU must force people to be safe? I suppose you also support helmet laws, seatbelt laws, smoking bans in restaurants and other nanny laws?

Malcolm Kyle · Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject:

Shady wrote: ieatfood wrote: The Grandmaster wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Mare Tranquillity wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Why should tax dollars be wasted locking people up for doing something that enjoy/makes them feel good

You don't know it yet, but drug use inevitiably leads to three possible outcomes.

Death, Insanity, or Imprisonment.

That don't feel so good.

Twaddle, Cap'n, and you know it. Your sweeping generalization is completely unsupportable or you would have cited some sources.

I speak from personal experience, friend.

I could list several dozens of people I've seen with my own eyes that this has happened to, but it wouldn't do any good. I hope you see the light one of these days, but chances are that you will join them as addiction is almost impossible to beat.

Seen it too many times.

Good luck.

And I have seen people whom have done drugs and it has done nothing to their life except added entertainment and fun, and had no ill effects because they had the good sense and responsibility to use them reasonably.

What now?

And I have seen people whom have done drugs and it has completely destroyed their lives. What now?

So you think it's ok for more lives to be destroyed just as long as some people can have fun?

You believe YOU must force people to be safe? I suppose you also support helmet laws, seatbelt laws, smoking bans in restaurants and other nanny laws?
It's cool, shady, even I can live with such "nannyisms"
But drug prohibition robs us of The Constitution and puts us all in grave danger.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

let's get rid of drunk driving laws too.

drunk drivers don't infringe on your rights UNTIL they hit you. but when they do that goes under negligant driving. so prosecute them after they kill your entire family.

Otacon · Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote: let's get rid of drunk driving laws too.

drunk drivers don't infringe on your rights UNTIL they hit you. but when they do that goes under negligant driving. so prosecute them after they kill your entire family.

Damn straight.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

Otacon wrote: The Comrade wrote: let's get rid of drunk driving laws too.

drunk drivers don't infringe on your rights UNTIL they hit you. but when they do that goes under negligant driving. so prosecute them after they kill your entire family.

Damn straight.

okay. so now people won't have to worry about getting arrested for driving drunk(they aren't going to think "oh s**t i could kill someone if i drive tonight" while drunk). now you have an increase in drunk driving since the penalties attributed to it are gone. accidents now increase and people start dying even more then with drunk driving laws.

so instead of pulling people over and throwing them in the brig for a day or two, you let the person go, and they could make it home fine, or they could hit someone head on and kill everyone in the car.

not preventing that makes you just as much at fault as the drunk driver.

Otacon · Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:35 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote: Otacon wrote: The Comrade wrote: let's get rid of drunk driving laws too.

drunk drivers don't infringe on your rights UNTIL they hit you. but when they do that goes under negligant driving. so prosecute them after they kill your entire family.

Damn straight.

okay. so now people won't have to worry about getting arrested for driving drunk(they aren't going to think "oh s**t i could kill someone if i drive tonight" while drunk). now you have an increase in drunk driving since the penalties attributed to it are gone. accidents now increase and people start dying even more then with drunk driving laws.

so instead of pulling people over and throwing them in the brig for a day or two, you let the person go, and they could make it home fine, or they could hit someone head on and kill everyone in the car.

not preventing that makes you just as much at fault as the drunk driver.

The population needs to thin a little bit.

Malcolm Kyle · Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote: let's get rid of drunk driving laws too.

drunk drivers don't infringe on your rights UNTIL they hit you. but when they do that goes under negligant driving. so prosecute them after they kill your entire family.
Obfustification.
Drunken driving, as well as drugged driving, puts us all in danger.

Protostar · Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject:

Malcolm Kyle wrote: The Comrade wrote: let's get rid of drunk driving laws too.

drunk drivers don't infringe on your rights UNTIL they hit you. but when they do that goes under negligant driving. so prosecute them after they kill your entire family.
Obfustification.
Drunken driving, as well as drugged driving, puts us all in danger.

Exactly. You arrest them for behavior that puts us all in danger not for behavior that does not.

Protostar · Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject:

Otacon wrote: The Comrade wrote: let's get rid of drunk driving laws too.

drunk drivers don't infringe on your rights UNTIL they hit you. but when they do that goes under negligant driving. so prosecute them after they kill your entire family.

Damn straight.

Posts like this donot help out our argument and sour others to our POV.

Boneman · Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 511

The Comrade wrote: The Grandmaster wrote: And I have seen people whom have done drugs and it has done nothing to their life except added entertainment and fun, and had no ill effects because they had the good sense and responsibility to use them reasonably.

What now?

those people are called minorities.

if drugs were so easy to get over(or non-addicting)you would have HBO specials on how people use them responsably and how great their lives are.

What makes you think that you have any right whatsoever to stop a man from doing whatever the hell he likes with his own body, even if it does completely and permanently f**k him up? Why do you think that you have more right to control this person's life than he does? If by smoking a joint or by permanently buggering himself up with heroin he dies, what businness is it of yours? He has made a choice that effects no one but himself, so why is it that some people feel that they must save the man from himself?

The problem with hard drug users we currently have, whereby they resort to crime to pay for their drugs would be solved if the drugs were made affordable, when was the last time you heard of someone being mugged for cigarrette money or alcohol money? Even if, due to legalisation more people started taking drugs (which I don't think is the case, since people are more intelligent than you give them credit for), it is their choice to take those drugs, they alone are in control of their body, and you cannot take away a man's dominion over himself simply because it could save his life.

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

Shady wrote: You believe YOU must force people to be safe? I suppose you also support helmet laws, seatbelt laws, smoking bans in restaurants and other nanny laws?
Smoking in public places isn't a "nanny law," it doesn't stop people from smoking. What it stops is people who smoke hurting others with secondhand smoke.

Boneman · Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 511

How can a smoker in a smoking only section of a resturant conceivably harm a non smoker? Seeing as theyre segregated and all.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

Otacon wrote: The population needs to thin a little bit.

that's what world war three is for.

The Grandmaster · Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject:

ieatfood wrote: The Grandmaster wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Mare Tranquillity wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Why should tax dollars be wasted locking people up for doing something that enjoy/makes them feel good

You don't know it yet, but drug use inevitiably leads to three possible outcomes.

Death, Insanity, or Imprisonment.

That don't feel so good.

Twaddle, Cap'n, and you know it. Your sweeping generalization is completely unsupportable or you would have cited some sources.

I speak from personal experience, friend.

I could list several dozens of people I've seen with my own eyes that this has happened to, but it wouldn't do any good. I hope you see the light one of these days, but chances are that you will join them as addiction is almost impossible to beat.

Seen it too many times.

Good luck.

And I have seen people whom have done drugs and it has done nothing to their life except added entertainment and fun, and had no ill effects because they had the good sense and responsibility to use them reasonably.

What now?

And I have seen people whom have done drugs and it has completely destroyed their lives. What now?

They were too mentally weak and unable to be responsible for their actions, and as such, like a person who is too lazy an irresponsible to find a good job and suffers because of it, the drug addicts now suffer the same fate. It is not my fault they were irresponsible. It is not my place to be denied the right to control my life because they are too weak too, despite your contention otherwise.

ieatfood wrote: So you think it's ok for more lives to be destroyed just as long as some people can have fun?

Yes. It called personal responsibility. One of the major tenets of all of our lives, is that we make choices. We are not free unless we are free to make choices that can help us, or potentially hurt us. Hell, I've seen people choose the wrong spouse, and choose the wrong job, and their lives were destroyed just as badly as a person who could not handle drugs.

If they are too weak to handle themselves, then their life will be destroyed.
But people like you amaze me, in that you claim drugs will destroy the lives of those who can't handle them, when you fail to realize, jail will just as often destroy the lives of those who can. :wink:

Demonstrate your own self control. It's not my place to go without just because someone else is too weak to be responsible.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

Malcolm Kyle wrote: The Comrade wrote: let's get rid of drunk driving laws too.

drunk drivers don't infringe on your rights UNTIL they hit you. but when they do that goes under negligant driving. so prosecute them after they kill your entire family.
Obfustification.
Drunken driving, as well as drugged driving, puts us all in danger.

no it doesn't.

people can drive while drunk and be perfectly safe.
other people drive drunk and are terrible at it.

why ruin drunk driving for the people who do drive safe?