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[scoobysnack]

Ive been doing more research into the history of Zionism and found some info that many people may not be aware of, and I was not aware of myself. I used to consider myself a Zionist, but now I question that label.

It's from a website called Jews against Zionism:

Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained “we must, above all, make it an international political issue.”

Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.” In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.”

Zionist reliance on Anti-Semitism to further their goals continues to this day. Studies of immigration records reflect increased immigration to the Zionist state during times of increased anti-Semitism. Without a continued inflow of Jewish immigrants to the state of "Israel", it is estimated that within a decade the Jewish population of the Zionist state will become the minority.

In order to maintain a Jewish majority in the state of "Israel", its leaders promote anti-Semitism throughout the world to "encourage" Jews to leave their homelands and seek "refuge".

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/zionismpromotes.cfm
As far as Zionism is concerned, the founder of Zionism and apostate, Theodor Herzl, sought to intensify hatred of the Jew in order to enhance the cause of political Zionism. Here are some of his “pearls”:

“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)
Additional words from the vivid imagination of this dreamer, from p. 68 of Part I of his Diary.

So anti-Semitism, which is a deeply imbedded force in the subconscious mind of the masses, will not harm the Jews. I actually find it to be advantageous to building the Jewish character, education by the masses that will lead to assimilation. This education can only happen through suffering, and the Jews will adapt.

Hateful views of Jews as being subhuman did not have to be invented by Nazi theorists such as Hitler, Goebbels, Rosenberg and Streicher. This ideology was simply adapted from statements of political Zionists such as those found in the writings of the Zionist Yehezkel Kaufman in 1933.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/zanda.cfm

“There is nothing new in the world except the history you do not know.”
-- Harry Truman

The only reason I bring this is up is because I've been taking a look at the website: true Torah Jews against Zionism. I wonder what you think of this site, and why there are Rabbis protesting against Zionism.

Please take the time to read this information. It will open your eyes to the deception. Remember, this is not me saying this, this is from Jewish people exposing the history of Zionism.

THE ROLE OF ZIONISM IN THE HOLOCAUST
Article by Rabbi Gedalya Liebermann

From its' inception, many rabbis warned of the potential dangers of Zionism and openly declared that all Jews loyal to G-d should stay away from it like one would from fire. They made their opinions clear to their congregants and to the general public. Their message was that Zionism is a chauvinistic racist phenomenon which has absolutely naught to do with Judaism.

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President Roosevelt convened the Evian conference July 6-15 1938, to deal with the Jewish refugee problem. The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a German offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the Zionists made no effort to influence the United States and the 32 other countries attending the conference to allow immigration of German and Austrian Jews.

On Feb 1, 1940 Henry Montor executive vice-President of the United Jewish Appeal refused to intervene for a shipload of Jewish refugees stranded on the Danube river, stating that "Palestine cannot be flooded with... old people or with undesirables." [Source]

Read "The Millions That Could Have Been Saved" by I.DombIt is an historical fact that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that: a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.

The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments: a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees. b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid This response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

These treacherous Zionist leaders betrayed their own flesh and blood. Zionism was never an option for Jewish salvation. Quite the opposite, it was a formula for human beings to be used as pawns for the power trip of several desperadoes. A perfidy! A betrayal beyond description!

In 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved. The same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).

The British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.


Zionist responsibility for the Holocaust is threefold.

1. The Holocaust was a punishment for disrespecting The Three Oaths (see Talmud, Tractate Kesubos p. 111a).

2. Zionist leaders openly withheld support, both financially and otherwise, to save their fellow brothers and sisters from a cruel death.

3. The leaders of the Zionist movement cooperated with Hitler and his cohorts on many occasions and in many ways.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/holocaust/gedalyaliebermann.cfm---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Nazi Support of Zionism

Zionism was supported by the German SS and Gestapo.[3] [4] [5] [6] Hitler himself personally supported Zionism.[7] [8] During the 1930’s, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. As late as 1942 Zionists operated at least one of these officially authorized “Kibbutz” training camps[9] over which flew the blue and white banner which would one day be adopted as the national flag of “Israel”.[

Hitler and the Zionists had a common goal: to create a world Jewish Ghetto as a solution to the Jewish Question.

It follows that for the Zionist state to achieve its goal of a Jewish world ghetto anti-Semitism must be promoted and encouraged, and as we have seen, by acts of violence if necessary.

“To attain its practical objectives, Zionism hopes it will be able to collaborate with a government that is fundamentally hostile to the Jews”.[16]

The use of anti-Semitism as a tool to coerce immigration to the Zionist state continues to the present day:

Prime Minister Sharon has stated that anti-Semitism is on the rise and that the only hope for the safety of Jews is to move to Israel under the protection of the Zionist state. “The best solution to anti-Semitism is immigration to Israel. It is the only place on Earth where Jews can live as Jews," he said.[17]

Those who continue to call the so-called “state of Israel” the “Jewish State” are not only promoting Zionism which is contrary to the beliefs of true Judaism, but also endorsing the promotion of worldwide anti-Semitism. In doing so they are endangering the lives of traditional Jews and denying their civil liberties and human rights.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/nazisupport.cfm
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And very important, the story of Rabbi Weissmandl.

THE MILLIONS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED

Please pass this book on to your husband. He may realize Zionists are not his friends:

THE UNHEEDED CRY

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/bookstore/productDetails.cfm?merchID=2

The ghastly facts uncovered in it are not sufficiently well known.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/holocaust/holocaustmillions.cfm

The more I look into it, the more I see the deception in Zionism. maybe I'm just a stupid Goyim shkutz who is not good enough.

Definitions of SEMITIC on the Web:

1) A language group in the Afro-Asiatic language family that includes Hebrew and Arabic. 2) description of Middle East peoples that trace their origin from the biblical Noah and his son Shem; these include Jews and Arabs.

www.afsc.org/israel-palestine/learn/glossary.htm
Anyone who is dislikes Arabs for any reason is also an anti-semite.


I don't consider myself "anti-Jewish" They should be investigated as much as any other group. I have done so much research into the secrets, I know not to trust the history books. Everything must be questioned.


Quote:
The Israeli Supreme Court in Jerusalem.

The first thing you will notice is the pyramid with the all Seeing Eye just like the one you will see on the American dollar bill, it sits in a circle to the left.

... Rothschild Dynasty and his five sons, who established central banks throughout Europe. The Rothschilds made several stipulations with the Israeli Government before the building began, among them were. The Rothschilds would pick the plot of land to build the Supreme Court; they would use their own architects, and no one would ever know how much the building cost. It took them four years to build this structure with many secrets built into it.



From the left you will see Teddy Kollek, then Lord Rothschild, on the right standing you will see Shimon Peres, and setting at the bottom left Yhzhak Rabin.

please read the full article:

The Roots of Evil in Jerusalem. - by Jerry Golden (Jewish)

The fact still remains that an evil force has been put into place in Jerusalem and has spread throughout Israel, in preparations for the end time and the seat of the anti-Christ. For if we are to believe that the anti-Christ is to have his seat on the Temple Mount, then we must come to grips with some truths not being preached today.

http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=817


There is only one road leading from Eilat (Israel) to the Egyptian border at Taba and the last circle before getting to the border you will find this Masonic Memorial in the middle of the road.

http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=963&z=1

[cap'n queasy]

You better lay off those "scooby snacks".

They are rotting your brain.

[Secondary Oak]

Are you serious? Everybody knows it's Vin Diesel who founded Zionism, not Herzl.

(source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism)


And also anti-semitism has obviously nothing to do with Zionism. It's a semantic \ culinary ideology.

(source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism)


Honestly dude, you better check your sources.

[cap'n queasy]

:lol:

Hey there, SE. I'm glad to see you are doing well.

[scoobysnack]

Those are the responses I normally get from the non-thinkers. No one can ever answer to any of this. I thought this forum was for big thinkers.

Lets try to get to the bottom of this problem of Zionists always accusing anyone critical of anything Israel as being anti-Semitic.

[Zoot]

What's the actual significance of the Illuminatus pyramid eye?

[scoobysnack]

Read through this.

AMAZING AND ACCURATE EXPOSÉ OF THE NEW AGE
BY A SECULAR JEW

The following is the first part of an article on the New Age Movement from a Jewish perspective. Written for the Jewish people by a Jew who lives in Israel, the article provides a wealth of information about the New Age/NWO and the genocidal plan which has been determined for the Jews. The article also exposes the threat to Judaism that is presented by the Lubavitcher/Kabbalist Movement, which is Jewish mysticism derived from the same Chaldean source as the New Age.

You will, however, notice positive allusions to Christian activists and the Catholic Church. One misconception we have found among the Zionist Jews is a growing admiration for the dominionist Religious Right, which is supplying information on the New Age/New World Order to Jews and Christians alike. The average Jewish/Christian conservative believes that the NA/NWO conspiracy is extrinsic to orthodox Judaism and Christianity, and fails to discern the infiltration of his respective religion/government by the false prophets of evangelicalism who are part and parcel of the very conspiracy which they pretend to expose.

full article:

source

[Zoot]

Meh. It's all states to me.

[scoobysnack]

Zoot wrote: Meh. It's all states to me.

What does that mean?


Question No. 1: Why do Zionists insist on confusing Zionism with Judaism?

Question No. 2: Why do Zionists purposefully seek to harm Jewish communities in the Diaspora?

Question No. 3: Why do Zionists insist on accusing anyone critical of Israel and Zionism of "Antisemitism"?

Question No. 4: Why do Zionists martyrize Gaza and the Palestinians?

Question No. 5: Do the Israelis really expect the Palestinians and Lebanese not to somehow defend themselves against their attacks?

Question No. 6: Why do Zionists refuse to publicly investigate and debate the so-called "Holocaust" in a balanced and objective manner?

Question No. 7: How do Zionists explain the unconditional support that the United States of America gives International Zionism and the State of Israel?

Question No. 8: Is it good for the world to be dominated by very small minorities?

Question No. 9: Why do Zionists systematically lie about the cause of today's crisis in the Middle East?

CLICK HERE FOR MORE DETAILS:

http://www.rense.com/general73/iszi.htm

[Duchifas]

scoobysnack wrote: maybe I'm just a stupid Goyim shkutz who is not good enough.

Couldn't agree with you more! :tu:

[scoobysnack]

Duchifas wrote: scoobysnack wrote: maybe I'm just a stupid Goyim shkutz who is not good enough.

Couldn't agree with you more! :tu:

That's it?! Why are there some Jews agaisnt Zionism? Is Zionsim is in Judaism's best interest. Zionism seems to promote anti-semitism, which plays into the hands of the goals of the Zionists. I have yet to find a Jewish person that will discuss this. Most give me a knee jerk reaction and say I'm anti-semitic. That's what this post is about! Anti-semitism promoting Zionism!

Without the Holocaust how the could the world be convinced they needed to create a Jewish state? It was essential according to teh Zionists that the jews suffered the most in WWII so the world would feel sorry for them, and give them thier own country.

What does that have to do with the fullfilment of Bible prophecy. It will fool many into accepting the messiah.

Some New Age leaders believe that the Fall (in garden of eden) was really man's ascent into knowledge, assisted by Lucifer - whom they hail as the bringer of light and wisdom. These New Age teachers expect an imminent, apocalyptic transformation that will lead humanity into the New Age. By acts of men or by an act of "spirit," earth will be cleansed of those who refuse to evolve. In the New Age, there will be world government; the economy will be remade to Promote "sharing." Traditional morality and traditional families will disappear. Orthodox religions - especially Christianity and Judaism - are considered "separative" and "obsolete"; in the New Age, they too will vanish.

Blavatsky says, "It is but natural ... to view Satan, the Serpent of Genesis, as the real creator and benefactor, the Father of Spiritual mankind. For it is he who was the 'Harbinger of Light,' bright radiant Lucifer, who opened the eyes of the automaton created by Jehovah."[50] According to Alice Bailey, the revolt of the angels against God was part of "the divine plan of evolution;" the fallen angels "descended from their sinless and free state of existence in order to develop full divine awareness upon earth."[51] Spangler, like Blavatsky, praises Lucifer as "the angel of man's evolution. He is the angel of man's inner light."[52] He says that "Lucifer comes to give us the final gift of wholeness,"[53] and "as we move into a new age", "each of us in some way is brought to that point which I term the Luciferic initiation."[54] Spangler sees this as "an initiation into the New Age. It is an initiation of leaving the past and moving into the new, shedding our guilts and fears ... and becoming whole and at peace because we have recognized our inner light and ... the light of God."

Spangler says, "Christ is the perfect balance to Lucifer."[62] Like Matthew Fox, Spangler proposes to replace Jesus with the "cosmic Christ;" "any old Christ will not do, not if we need to show that we have something better than the mainstream Christian traditions. It must be a cosmic Christ, a universal Christ, a New Age Christ. ... The Christ is universal. It is cosmic.

With the New Religion, there will be spiritual totalitarianism. New Age leaders agree that the last 2,000 years - the Age of Pisces - were a time for development of individual identity and personality. According to occult thought, the Piscean Age has as its foundation the male-centered energies that characterize Christianity. The Aquarian Age, on the other hand, is an attempt to bring balance back into the evolutionary process by introducing female energies into our understanding. Those who have embraced this new-age understanding of humanity believe that all of the problems that man faces are a direct result of Christianity and its perceived male- centered belief system.

Therefore, a change in man's thinking must occur to bring about a more equal system that will allow feminine energies to govern humanity. This female-centered system will be based on intuition and experience rather than logic and rational thought, the latter being seen as male characteristics.

In the coming Age of Aquarius, this will change. People will happily let go of individualism and merge their own goals and identity into that of the whole race. As Alice Bailey said, "Selfishness, as we now understand it, will gradually disappear, for the will of the individual will voluntarily be blended into the group will."

The New Age avatars proclaim their commitment to democracy and tolerance. However, they propose totalitarian solutions to mankind's urgent, undeniable problems. The sacrifice of freedom and the acceptance of unlimited government power will - as always - be for our own good; necessity will be the excuse of tyrants. The New Age movement uses the theory of evolution - a theory of inevitable and desirable Progress - as a justification for whatever policies are needed to drive humanity and the planet to the next great leap upward. (Can anything good ever come from applying Darwinism to society?)

Alice Bailey and her followers at the Lucis Trust have repeatedly praised revolutions and dictatorships, approving them as part of the workings of "the Plan." She viewed the dictatorships of her time as a positive part of human evolution, fostering humanity's "power to regard himself as part of a whole.

After all, according to Walsch's incubus, Hitler was doing his victims a favor by killing them; his deeds were "mistakes," not crimes: "The mistakes Hitler made did no harm or damage to those whose deaths he caused. Those souls were released from their earthly bondage, like butterflies emerging from a cocoon.

"Birth itself is a death, and death a birth. For in birth, the soul finds itself constricted within the awful limitations of a body, and at death escapes those constrictions again." This is, almost word for word, what Alice Bailey wrote: "Birth establishes the soul in the true prison, and physical death is only the first step toward liberation."

When you see the utter perfection in everything - not just in those things with which you agree, but (and perhaps especially) those things with which you disagree - you achieve mastery." The price of "mastery" is to see "utter perfection" in Auschwitz and Treblinka. "John," the disembodied spirit which Spangler has channeled for over 20 years, likewise said, "We naturally do not identify life with the physical body, consequently, to us, the loss of your physical form is not a tragedy.... The death of millions of people in itself is not a tragedy for us, for it simply means their birth into our domains."
Walsch's "God" says that Hitler does not deserve blame for his acts - the rest of humanity is responsible for allowing them to happen: "The purpose of the Hitler Experience was to show humanity to itself."

"Blame not the personalities involved.... They are only the product of the past and the victims of the present. At the same time, they are the agents of destiny, the creators of the new order and the initiators of the new civilisation; they are the destroyers of what must be destroyed before humanity can go forward along the Lighted Way. They are the embodiment of the personality of humanity. Blame yourselves, therefore, for what is today transpiring."

Nevertheless, these radical New Age leaders believe that the two World Wars were necessary for human evolution, and that the birth pangs of the New Age began with the atomic explosions in 1945. They also advocate sending those people who are unwilling to enter the New Age into oblivion, and reducing world population to 2 billion - or less. Such is the blood lust of the "compassionate."

"Nature is less concerned about individual survival, than with the evolution of the whole to ever higher degrees of freedom, union, and consciousness of God."

From the start of World War II until her death in 1949, Alice Bailey wrote that the war was necessary for the New Age to come. She believed that the New Age would be preceded by a "destructive cycle, wherein the old order passes away" and "human civilization with its accompanying institutions - is destroyed."[202] She gives credit to the "Hierarchy" of ascended spiritual masters for "their decision, taken early in this century, which precipitated ... that major destructive agency, the world war (1914-1945). (The hierarchy is the Illuminati)

"This is a time of preparation not only for a new civilisation and culture in a new world order, but also for the coming of a new spiritual dispensation.

Humanity is not following an uncharted course. There is a divine Plan in the Cosmos of which we are a part. At the end of an age human resources and established institutions seem inadequate to meet world needs and problems. At such a time the advent of a Teacher, a spiritual leader or Avatar, is anticipated and invoked by the masses of humanity in all parts of the world.

If evil always appeared as evil, the enticement to evil works would not be as easily "sold" to an unsuspecting population. However, if the plan of Lucifer was "sold" as a plan to develop a human community by establishing unity in diversity, how much more successful could this plan become? Furthermore, if one were aspire to create globalistic unity in diversity, what strategy would serve to unify those of diverse backgrounds, religions, and cultures?
These are excerpts from various articles

http://www.mdep.org/NewAgeComplete.html


Lucis Trust first started as Lucifer Publishing, created by Alice Bailey, who a follower of Helen Blavatsky, and both Theosophists. She changed the name from Lucifer publishing to Lucis trust to hide the true intentions. Basically they view Lucifer as God. Lucis Trust is an NGO that gives advice to the establishment, and published all work done by the United Nations. The land donated by the Rockefeller family to build the U.N. head quarters in New York, used to also house Lucis Trust.

"Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the ‘Holy Ghost’ and ‘Satan,’ at one and the same time..."
-Helen Blvatsky

"And now it stands proven that Satan, or the Red Fiery Dragon, the "Lord of Phosphorus," and Lucifer, or "Light-Bearer," is in us: it is our Mind–our tempter and Redeemer, our intelligent liberator and Saviour from pure animalism."
-Helen Blvatsky(Vol. 2, p. 513)

These spiritual beliefs behind the organization (U.N.) created to help create a world government, are linked directly with the beliefs of theosophy, which Alice Bailey and many, many other elites follow. I will prove it...

Go to this website for the home page of "World Goodwill"

http://www.lucistrust.org/goodwill/

Organisation: World Goodwill is a voluntary association of men and women of goodwill open to all who support its principles and objectives. World Goodwill is not a "membership organisation" and there are no membership dues.

World Goodwill is an accredited non-governmental organisation with the Department of Public Information of the United Nations. It maintains informal relations with certain of the Specialised Agencies and with a wide range of national and international non-governmental organisations. World Goodwill is an activity of the Lucis Trust, which is on the Roster of the United Nations Economic and Social Council .

Finance: The work is financed solely by voluntary contributions.

Down a little bit further, you will find this on the same website:

The Reappearance of the Christ

This is a time of preparation not only for a new civilisation and culture in a new world order, but also for the coming of a new spiritual dispensation.

Humanity is not following an uncharted course. There is a divine Plan in the Cosmos of which we are a part. At the end of an age human resources and established institutions seem inadequate to meet world needs and problems. At such a time the advent of a Teacher, a spiritual leader or Avatar, is anticipated and invoked by the masses of humanity in all parts of the world.

Today the reappearance of the World Teacher, the Christ, is expected by millions, not only by those of Christian faith but by those of every faith who expect the Avatar under other names -- the Lord Maitreya, Krishna, Messiah, Imam Mahdi and the Bodhisattva.

Glamour and distortion surround this central fact of divine response to human need. This is inevitable but unimportant. The fact of transition into a new age is important. Preparation by men and women of goodwill is needed to introduce new values for living, new standards of behaviour, new attitudes of non-separateness and cooperation, leading to right human relations and a world at peace. The coming world Teacher will be mainly concerned, not with the result of past error and inadequacy, but with the requirements of a new world order and with the reorganisation of the social structure.

World Goodwill distributes educational and informative literature on these themes. A world prayer, the Great Invocation, is distributed on a worldwide scale in many languages and dialects. World Goodwill also cooperates in organising the annual World Invocation Day, with special focus on the use of the Great Invocation worldwide.

http://www.lucistrust.org/goodwill/

In their own words they are preparing the way for the "new world order". Notice how they refer to us as "the masses" :) Just thought I'd point that out for people who thought I was making this stuff up.

This is from the same women who said this:


“The new world order must meet the immediate need and not be an attempt to satisfy some distant, idealistic vision. The new world order must be appropriate to a world which has passed through a destructive crisis and to a humanity which is badly shattered by the experience. The new world order must lay the foundation for a future world order which will be possible only after a time of recovery, of reconstruction, and of rebuilding.

In the preparatory period for the new world order there will be a steady and regulated disarmament. It will not be optional. No nation will be permitted to produce and organize any equipment for destructive purposes or to infringe the security of any other nation.

We are concerned with only one subject, the ushering in of the new world order.

...the present world order (which is today largely disorder) can be so modified and changed that a new world and a new race of men can gradually come into being. Renunciation and the use of the sacrificial will should be the keynote for the interim period after the war (WWII), prior to the inauguration of the New Age.”

- Alice Bailey: Quotes From Various Works


These are the people who are truly behind the wars in the world. Not Christian Zionists who think Jesus will come faster if we go to war with Iran.

As in the quotes above, The New World Order can't happen unless humanity has gone through a catastrophe. These people are trying to speed up the process by creating the crises, and catastrophes that will usher in the New World Order

Watch Gary Hart at the CFR call for 9/11 to be used to help create the new world order:

"There is a chance for the President of the United States to use this (9-11) disaster to carry out ... a new world order."
--Gary Hart, at a televised meeting organized by the CFR in Washington, D.C. Sept 14.Video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8841805547137115477&q=new+world+order

They view Lucifer as a great being because he gave mankind knowledge or enlightenmnet. They are preparing the way for the world teacher known by some as MAITREYA!

Do you know who MAITREYA is?

Here's the website from BENJAMIN CREME (theosophist) about preparing the earth for the emergence of the Maitreya. Either he's the second coming of Jesus or what's known as the Antichrist. Antichrist doesn't necessarily mean opposite of Christ, simply a false substitute.

http://www.shareintl.org/

Here's a picture of Maitreya:



Click on the picture for Maitreya.org:


WHO IS MAITREYA pronounced: my-tray-ah?
He has been expected for generations by all of the major religions. Christians know Him as the Christ, and expect His imminent return. Jews await Him as the Messiah; Hindus look for the coming of Krishna; Buddhists expect Him as Maitreya Buddha; and Muslims anticipate the Imam Mahdi or Messiah.

The names may be different, but many believe they all refer to the same individual: the World Teacher, whose name is Maitreya (My-'tray-ah). Preferring to be known simply as the Teacher, Maitreya has not come as a religious leader, or to found a new religion, but as a teacher and guide for people of every religion and those of no religion.

At this time of great political, economic and social crisis Maitreya will inspire humanity to see itself as one family, and create a civilization based on sharing, economic and social justice, and global cooperation.

He will launch a call to action to save the millions of people who starve to death every year in a world of plenty. Among Maitreya's recommendations will be a shift in social priorities so that adequate food, housing, clothing, education, and medical care become universal rights.

Under Maitreya's inspiration, humanity itself will make the required changes and create a saner and more just world for all.

A Gradual Emergence

In recent years, information about Maitreya's emergence has come primarily from Benjamin Creme, a British artist and author who has been speaking and writing about this event since 1974.

According to Creme, Maitreya descended in July 1977 from His ancient retreat in the Himalayas and took up residence in the Indian-Pakistani community of London. He has been living and working there, seemingly as an ordinary man, His true status known to relatively few. He has been emerging gradually into full public view so as not to infringe humanity's free will.

As a modern man concerned with today's problems, Maitreya has worked on many levels since 1977 to prepare humanity for His outward presence.

From behind the scenes, the outpouring of His extraordinary energy has been the stimulus for dramatic changes on many fronts, including the fall of communism in the Soviet Union, the collapse of apartheid in South Africa, the rapprochement between East and West, the growing power of the people's voice, and a worldwide focus on preserving the environment.

Outwardly, He has met with groups of journalists and influential leaders from all fields, informing them of His solutions to today's most pressing problems and of the role they might play in the coming time.

Since 1988 Maitreya has appeared miraculously throughout the world, mainly to orthodox religious groups, presenting in the simplest terms the great spiritual laws governing our lives. And, through steadily increasing signs and spiritual manifestations, now widely reported in the media, He has touched the hearts of millions, preparing them for His imminent appearance.

Day of Declaration

At the earliest possible moment, Maitreya will demonstrate His true identity. On the Day of Declaration, the international television networks will be linked together, and Maitreya will be invited to speak to the world.

We will see His face on television, but each of us will hear His words telepathically in our own language as Maitreya simultaneously impresses the minds of all humanity. Even those who are not watching Him on television will have this experience.

At the same time, hundreds of thousands of spontaneous healings will take place throughout the world. In this way we will know that this man is truly the World Teacher for all humanity.

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Creme_Maitreya.htm


"The true light of Lucifer cannot be seen through sorrow, through darkness, through reflection. The true light of this great being can only be recognized when one's own eyes can see with the light of the Christ, the light of the inner sun. Lucifer works within each of us to bring us to wholeness, and as we move into the New Age, which is the age of man's wholeness, each of us is brought to that point which I term the Luciferic Initiation, the particular doorway through which the individual must pass if he is to come fully into the presence of his light and his wholeness.

Lucifer comes to give us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it, then he is free and we are free, that is the Luciferic Initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation into the New Age."

-- David Spangler, Reflections on the Christ, Findhorn Lecture Series, 3rd ed., 1981; p. 45

[Duchifas]

scoobysnack wrote: Duchifas wrote: scoobysnack wrote: maybe I'm just a stupid Goyim shkutz who is not good enough.

Couldn't agree with you more! :tu:

That's it?! Why are there some Jews agaisnt Zionism?

Why not? There are some Jews against anything. There are some Jews against killing animals for food. There are some Jews against drilling in the Arctic for oil. There are some Jews against Jews who are against drilling in the Arctic. There are some Jews who are against the death penalty. There are some who are against abortion. There are some who are against Communism. And there are some against capitalism. There are some Jews who are against Judaism altogether.

Find me any mildly contentious idea, and I will find you a Jew who is against it. And a Gentile too.

The question you need to answer is: SO WHAT?

Yes, there are Jews against Zionism. Just like there are Jews who are against anything. SO WHAT?

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: Find me any mildly contentious idea, and I will find you a Jew who is against it.

What was that joke you told concerning this one time? :lol: It was pretty good.

[cap'n queasy]

Hey, scoobs.

Have you ever read Isaiah chapter 8, particularly verse 12?

What do you make of that?

[Duchifas]

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Find me any mildly contentious idea, and I will find you a Jew who is against it.

What was that joke you told concerning this one time? :lol: It was pretty good.

Don't remember, which one? :)

[cap'n queasy]

Duchifas wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Find me any mildly contentious idea, and I will find you a Jew who is against it.

What was that joke you told concerning this one time? :lol: It was pretty good.

Don't remember, which one? :)

It was something about any time there were more than two Jews together there would be an argument.

I can't really remember, but it was funny.

[scoobysnack]

Duchifas wrote: scoobysnack wrote: Duchifas wrote: scoobysnack wrote: maybe I'm just a stupid Goyim shkutz who is not good enough.

Couldn't agree with you more! :tu:

That's it?! Why are there some Jews agaisnt Zionism?

Why not? There are some Jews against anything. There are some Jews against killing animals for food. There are some Jews against drilling in the Arctic for oil. There are some Jews against Jews who are against drilling in the Arctic. There are some Jews who are against the death penalty. There are some who are against abortion. There are some who are against Communism. And there are some against capitalism. There are some Jews who are against Judaism altogether.

Find me any mildly contentious idea, and I will find you a Jew who is against it. And a Gentile too.

The question you need to answer is: SO WHAT?

Yes, there are Jews against Zionism. Just like there are Jews who are against anything. SO WHAT?

Because Zionists promote harm to Jewish people because it helps thier cause in the eyes of the sympathetic world. They promote anti-semitism around the world, so the world's Jewish people feel they need to come and settle in Israel where they will be free from anti-semitism. Without Jewish people settlting in Israel when it first started it couldn't have survived.

From what I've read, Anti-semitism helps Zionism. Do you like anti-semites? The Zionists say they are thier best friends.

[scoobysnack]

cap'n queasy wrote: Hey, scoobs.

Have you ever read Isaiah chapter 8, particularly verse 12?

What do you make of that?

I wasn't familiar with it, so I had to look it up. I have multiple bibles and different versions. The most simplified version I have (Contemporary English Version) says it like this:

"Don't call something a rebellious plot, just because they are."

I take that to mean that maybe it's not an evil plot, but simply part of God's grand plan. If that's the case, you should not hate Hitler, because he was part of God's grand plan, that led the world to where it is now, and the re-establishment of Israel. Hitler was here to show Humanity itself, and teach it a lesson. We can now go forward along the lighted way.

Is that what you wanted to me think?

What do you think of Theosophy?, or the Luciferian Doctrine?

[Duchifas]

scoobysnack wrote: Because Zionists promote harm to Jewish people because it helps thier cause in the eyes of the sympathetic world.

Sympathetic world? To whom? To Zionists? To Jews?

What are you on?

Quote: They promote anti-semitism around the world, so the world's Jewish people feel they need to come and settle in Israel where they will be free from anti-semitism. Without Jewish people settlting in Israel when it first started it couldn't have survived.

Sweetie, the "world" really never needed any help from the Zionists to be anti-semitic. Zionism, as you understand it, started in late 1800s. However, Jews were persecuted for centuries before that. They were expelled from Spain in 1492 and from other European countries on many occasions. They were slaughtered during the Crusades. They were raped and murdered by hundreds of thousands during the Chmelnitzki massacres in 1600s. They were forbidden to settle within Russia proper until 1900s.

Believe you me, anti-semitism did not start up as some sort of promotional behind the scenes scheme by the Zionists, who prodded the hapless Gentiles to hate Jews. The hapless Gentiles were quite happy to do it of their own free will and desire for a thousand years before modern Zionism came into existence.

Writing off anti-semitism as some sort of Zionist scheme is one step from being complicit in it.

Quote: From what I've read, Anti-semitism helps Zionism. Do you like anti-semites? The Zionists say they are thier best friends.

Do I like anti-semites? I don't really know many. Or any, for that matter. I don't think there are many left around.

What I know are some uneducated idiots whose sole basis for anti-semitism is rummaging through a few trashy websites on the internet that accuse Jews of anything and everything.

I think that to be a real anti-semite, you have to know something more substantial about the Jewish people, you have to devote some time to studying Jewish history and culture and religion, and then based on that, make an educated decision to hate Jews and what we represent. It takes time, effort and brains to be a real anti-semite. And not too many people are willing or able to invest that in anti-semitism. What you have these days, for the most part, is people doing some superficial reading limited to sources found on google and wiki, and then assume that they qualify as anti-semites because they spout trash in the direction of the Jews. Frankly, I don't think such people are anti-semites. I think they are just lazy and dumb.

[Secondary Oak]

Duchifas wrote: Writing off anti-semitism as some sort of Zionist scheme is one step from being complicit in it.
No, it isn't. Not in my opinion.


Quote: What I know are some uneducated idiots whose sole basis for anti-semitism is rummaging through a few trashy websites on the internet that accuse Jews of anything and everything.

I think that to be a real anti-semite, you have to know something more substantial about the Jewish people, you have to devote some time to studying Jewish history and culture and religion, and then based on that, make an educated decision to hate Jews and what we represent. It takes time, effort and brains to be a real anti-semite. And not too many people are willing or able to invest that in anti-semitism. What you have these days, for the most part, is people doing some superficial reading limited to sources found on google and wiki, and then assume that they qualify as anti-semites because they spout trash in the direction of the Jews. Frankly, I don't think such people are anti-semites. I think they are just lazy and dumb.
I disagree. I think ignorance and xenophobia were two of the primary reasons for anti-semitism throughout years, and I think those are still two of the main reasons now. I think no one is actually an anti-semite because they "made an educated decision to hate what Jews represent" - especially considering that such a decision can't really be made in an educated fashion (what does the Jewish belief system really represent? what does the Jewish ethnicity represent?).